Would you take your kids to see it.

Full of P and V today, eh Audrey?

I suggest you read it again and this time don't just focus on the "dirty parts."

Yeah, read the part about the flood where God just drowned every living thing and started over.

Witbee

I suggest you read it again and this time don't just focus on the "dirty parts."

So you're saying that the Bible has dirty parts?  Who wrote that book?

 Why say something bad about the Bible?

Just outta the blue? or is there really a movie coming?

I don't  understand (never have) why someone who doesn't think the Bible is honest would give a rats patoot if someone else believed it.

Tina

Bad?  I don't understand what I said that was bad.  

 I was just quoting stories which appear in the Bible that I wouldn't want my Grandkids to see?    What bad part are you referring to?

I don't care what anyone else believes.  Honest.  I just don't want it shoved down my throat.

Audrey,

Yes, the Bible is jam packed with many issues that if replicated on a movie screen would be considered controversial.  This is exactly why I enjoy reading the good Book - because it is an honest look into what humanity is, at the very core.  I wouldn't follow Christianity if it wasn't open and honest about humanity.

From my perspective, I look at the readings of the Old Testament to be a historical account, and in many cases, historical allegory of ancient man.  I believe what is important to take from the Old Testament (and even parts of the New Testament) is that mankind is and will always be a group of people who do things which defy sensibility, logic and ethical value.  We are not perfect beings.

Too often, people center in on the Bible for the wrong reasons - as a way to justify their own sinful hatreds.  However, when utilized properly, I think we can learn much from Biblical accounts. 

What we must remember is that the Bible was written by man, inspired by God.  Many believe that this means that God wrote the Bible through man, however I firmly disagree with such an assertion. A more realistic belief (to me) is that the Bible is half truth, half allegory.  Take the great flood, as an example.  Every civilization has a flood story, which gives credence to the Biblical account.  Do I personally think that the Flood was God's doing? Nope.  I think the flood story is an allegory, mixed with fact.  It is a way to take a real event and include a spiritual message within it.

Another example you listed: the fire and brimstone leashed upon Sodom and Gomorrah.  Once again, I think the author of the account of Lot and his family is most likely spiritual allegory set to a physical historical event.  It's more than likely that the "fire and brimstone" was probably a volcanic eruption.  I think the point of this story was meant to teach a lesson, and nothing more.

Many will probably disagree with my assessment, which is unfortunate, in my opinion.

FSG get a firm grip and hang onto your chair because I'm about to rock your world.  I agree with most of what you said.  While I was reading all the above I was thinking (not so eloquently) that it was more of an accounting of history.  You said it much better.

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Thanks FSG for an answer to my question.  I disagree, but thanks.

To anyone with an analytical mind, such as myself, a truth is a truth is a truth.  If any part of something is proved false, then the entirety of it is suspect. 

Since so much of the Bible can be disproved by scientists and historians the entirety must be questioned. 

Sorry. You really didn't say anything "bad" 

I just woke up with a migrane and I really shouldn't be on the computer.

Can I delete my comment? :0)

Audrey - I'm a bit confused.  You're saying that because the Bible isn't necessarily 100% full of true events, that it must not have credibility?

With all due respect, I have no problem with someone disagreeing with Christianity on the basis that they don't believe in a Theist principle, but I do have a problem when someone tries to tell me that the overall message that the Bible attempts to dole out has no credibility because not everything within the Bible is proven to be true.

I'm a bit baffled by your claim that the Bible can be disproved by Historians.  Technically, that's not possible.  Why? Because History is an ever evolving thing.  The age of antiquities still has much to be uncovered.  Even in the current digital age, there's virtually no way that our offspring will have a full account of what we do/have done - not unless there is 24/7 monitoring big brother style.

To this day, there are new discoveries being made, and with each new discovery, there oftentimes are more questions than answers.  One thing is certain: especially pertaining to the Mediterranian areas, the more discoveries unearthed, the more real the historical accounts in the Bible are proven accurate.

I'm going to use an analogy:

The Christian Bible is to Ancient History as the movie "Braveheart" is to the Scottish Rebellion of the 14th century.  Just as the movie "Braveheart" deals with some fiction, it also contains quite a bit of historical truths.  The basis for the movie: the Scottish rebellion, is spot on - the intricate details of William Wallace's life are not as realistic, but he was indeed an important figure during the time period.  Much the same can be said for the Bible: when viewed as a whole piece, the history is pretty spot on, while some of the details intertwined are used as allegory to drive certain messages and ideas home.

With that being said, should someone interested in history not watch "Braveheart," just because the storyline of the main character is fudged a bit?  Heck no!  As a Historian myself, I view that as one of my favorite movies, and while certain aspects are dramatized more than needed, the basic ideas bring me back to the time period and give me a real sense of what it must have been like to live in Scotland in the late 1200's/early 1300's.  Therefore, from a spiritual perspective, the Bible is much the same way.  The point is the overall message: to love one another.  The grimey details, those both true and those that are metaphor, are what give those of us who believe a more complete understanding of why we should follow the message of Jesus.

As far as from a science perspective, that's also yet to be determined. There are many beliefs within science which are not based upon fact, but instead upon assumption and observation.  With that being said, there are plenty of Biblical accounts which are scientifically plausable (and many scientifically proven).  That being said, once again, if you understand the context and concepts of Biblical accounts, you're aware of the reality that some of the more outlandish accounts are metaphor.

No, Audrey didin't start with anything "bad." She just deliberately posted something to be hateful. Equating The Word of God with and X-rated movie is simply idiotic and in the poorest of taste. There was no reason to post such tripe except to piss people off. I think they have a name for it, but it is the of the low for bloggers.

Tell me something, was Schlinders list X-rated? But the story had all kinds of savagery (rape, murder, torture, etc). Oh yeah, a good film maker doesn't have to show it, they can imply it and it is still just as real.

And science has never disproved one word of the Bible (it doesn't disprove anything). In fact, more Biblical Truths are discovered time after time.

FSG: I agree with the sentiment of your words, but I whole heartedly disagree with your assessment of the validity of the Bible. I think you are on the right track, though.

 Audrey - I'm a bit confused.  You're saying that because the Bible isn't necessarily 100% full of true events, that it must not have credibility?

That's exactly what I'm saying.

So, based upon your argument, Audrey, because a Fable is a story that normally includes animals, forces of nature, inanimate objects, etc. which are then given human characteristics (which as we all know isn't possible in reality), we shouldn't believe the moral that the story teaches?

witbee

Religious topics get posted on the site with all the time.  People reference God and the Bible constantly in blogs which have nothing to do with either of those sujects.  However it's only my posts and my remarks which are called hateful.  Why?

 Atheists are the most maligned, lambasted group of people on this site so I suggest you start  monitoring hateful remarks made to and about atheists as well.    That is,  if you want to "appear" impartial.

  but I whole heartedly disagree with your assessment of the validity of the Bible.

Out of curiosity, witbee, can you expand upon this statement?

The Bible doesn't purport to be a moral guideline in the same way a fable does.  Fables weren't written for religious purposes and did need to be believed to impart their message.    Adherents of the Bible (see Witbees post) insist that the Bible must be believed AS THE WORD of GOD and, therefore, absolutely true.  Every word of it.

If God is perfect then he cannot make a mistake.  Therefore the Bible cannot be anything but 100% accurate.

Do you think it's 100% accurate?

Audrey - I'm a Christian and I don't believe every word in the bible to be the "word of God."  Not all Christians believe the same thing.

Edit: as far as accuracy, that depends on the context of your question.  Technically the English translations of the Bible as we know of today aren't 100% accurate, since they've been translated and retranslated from the original Aramaic, Hebrew & Greek to Latin, then Anglo-Saxon (more Germanic than English), then Middle English and now modern English.  For example, there are phrases and words in Hebrew which do not and cannot be translated accurately into modern English.

If you're speaking of accuracy of the Biblical accounts, once again, I feel that if one is not willing to actually study the Bible and it's history, then one cannot begin to comprehend the true purpose or meaning of the scriptures.

 "Do you think it's 100% accurate?"

 I do.

But you sure don't have to.

I totally understand that some don't.

 I understand why there is atheists and agnostic's.

My son is agnostic because he can't understand why an "all powerful being" lets bad things happen, like to kids etc..

The way most religious people today act and live it is as if they are determined to make people hate the word of God and especially God himself

 :0) We should all respect each other.  :0)

Art and literture is in the eye of the beholder. How it is interpreted is subjective. I can read Homer and accept it as a historical document, or I can accept it as legend and poetry, or I can read it as insight into the beliefs and logic of the time, or I can research it and come up with my own conclusions, or I can really go off the deep end and say Homer was inspired by Greek gods and goddesses and go worship at a temple for Zeus.

To say Homer is not historical or not literature because pagan gods and goddesses didn't participate in the Tojan War is dismissing the truths of the writing. Same could be said of Mayan codexes, Egyptian hiroglyphics and Native American petroglyphs. Scoffing at the religious beliefs of these people is an arrogant attitude. In their time, religion was all there was to figure things out and make sense of the world.

  :0) We should all respect each other.  :0)

Tina I will always respect you!  :-)

Why should the Bible be any more accurate than any history book?

Patriotism ruins history Goethe

The Old Testement explains the history of the Hebrews. The New Testement is a philosophy for living.

The thing I wouldn't want my kids or any kids to see is what has been done over the centuries in the name of these two books. And is still being done for that matter.

it would never happen

....because hollywood is filled with atheists who would say that morally, they cannot play a part in the bible

but they can play a drug user, hooker, gay prostitute, murderer, etc etc

Wow learnem.

There'd be parts for everyone in Hollywood.  An epic.    Isn't the Bible filled with murderers, prosititues, child abusers, liars, thieves etc.

I think,  based on that thought, politicians could fill the cast quite handily.

Wow learnem.

There'd be parts for everyone in Hollywood.  An epic.    Isn't the Bible filled with murderers, prosititues, child abusers, liars, thieves etc.

yeah Audrey, but ,you know, they DO have scruples  lol

Learnem and nancy LOL LOL