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Barack changing his position on all sorts of stuff, lets look at these 17 beauties
Hmm, nope I can vote for him
Barack Obama’s Changing Positions
ARLINGTON, VA – Today, McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds issued the following statement concerning Barack Obama’s statement that those accusing him of changing positions “haven’t apparently been listening to me”: “Since becoming his party’s presumptive nominee, Barack Obama has changed numerous positions and will continue to change his stances as he puts politics ahead of principle. From growing our economy to securing our nation, Barack Obama has proven his rhetoric to be nothing but empty words and broken pledges that are at odds with his left wing partisan record. Barack Obama is wrong: everyone’s been listening and still nobody knows what Barack Obama truly believes.” Today, Barack Obama Said That Those Accusing Him Of Changing His Position “Haven’t Apparently Been Listening To Me.” “Asked by a voter about accusations of flip-flopping, Democrat Barack Obama dismissed the notion Tuesday that he has been shifting stances on Iraq, guns and the death penalty to break with his party’s liberal wing and court a wider swath of voters. ‘The people who say this haven’t apparently been listening to me,’ the likely Democratic presidential nominee said in response to a question at a town-hall style event.” (Liz Sidoti, “Obama Denies Shifting To Reach Political Center,” The Associated Press, 7/8/08)
In July 2008, Barack Obama Said He Will Continue To “Refine” His Iraq Policy. Obama: “I’ve always said that the pace of withdrawal would be dictated by the safety and security of our troops and the need to maintain stability. That assessment has not changed…And when I go to Iraq and have a chance to talk to some of the commanders on the ground, I’m sure I’ll have more information and will continue to refine my policies.” (Jeff Zeleny, “Obama: Open to ‘Refine’ Iraq Withdrawal Timeline,” The New York Times’ “The Caucus” Blog, http://thecaucus.blogs.nyti..., 7/3/08)In The Primaries, Barack Obama Committed To Withdrawing Troops From Iraq Regardless Of The Advice He Received From Commanders On The Ground. ABC’s Charles Gibson: “And, Senator Obama, your campaign manager, David Plouffe, said, ‘When he is’ — this is talking about you - ‘When he is elected president, we will be out of Iraq in 16 months at the most. There should be no confusion about that.’ So you’d give the same rock-hard pledge, that no matter what the military commanders said, you would give the order to bring them home?” Obama: “Because the commander-in-chief sets the mission, Charlie. That’s not the role of the generals. … Now, I will always listen to our commanders on the ground with respect to tactics, once I’ve given them a new mission, that we are going to proceed deliberately, in an orderly fashion, out of Iraq, and we are going to have our combat troops out. We will not have permanent bases there. Once I have provided that mission, if they come to me and want to adjust tactics, then I will certainly take their recommendations into consideration. But, ultimately, the buck stops with me as the commander-in-chief.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Democrat Presidential Candidate Debate, Philadelphia, PA, 4/16/08)
Barack Obama Has Declined Public Financing In The General Election, Calling It A “Broken System.” “In a web video emailed to supporters, Obama asks his supporters to help him ‘declare our independence from a broken system.’ Of course, it’s not so much a broken system that explains why he’s passing on the FEC’s $80+million. He will easily raise more than he could ever get in public funding.” (Jonathan Martin, “Obama Opts Out Of Public Financing,” The Politico’s “Jonathan Martin” Blog, www.politico.com, 6/19/08) In Response To A Midwest Democracy Network Questionnaire, Barack Obama Said He Would Accept Public Funding In The General Election. Question: “If you are nominated for President in 2008 and your major opponents agree to forgo private funding in the general election campaign, will you participate in the presidential public financing system?” Obama: “Yes. I have been a long-time advocate for public financing of campaigns combined with free television and radio time as a way to reduce the influence of moneyed special interests.” (Sen. Barack Obama, “Presidential Candidate Questionnaire,” Midwest Democracy Network, www.commoncause.org, 11/27/07)
During The Primaries, Barack Obama Pledged To Unilaterally Renegotiate NAFTA. NBC’S TIM RUSSERT: “A simple question. Will you as president say to Canada and Mexico, this [NAFTA] has not worked for us, we are out?” OBAMA: “I will make sure that we renegotiate in the same way that Senator Clinton talked about, and I think actually Senator Clinton’s answer on this one is right. I think we should use the hammer of a potential opt-out as leverage to ensure that we actually get labor and environmental standards that are enforced.” (Sen. Barack Obama, MSNBC Democrat Presidential Debate, Cleveland, OH, 2/26/08)In The General Election, Barack Obama Now Says His Words Were “Overheated And Amplified.” “In an interview with Fortune to be featured in the magazine’s upcoming issue, the presumptive Democratic nominee backed off his harshest attacks on the free trade agreement and indicated he didn’t want to unilaterally reopen negotiations on NAFTA. ‘Sometimes during campaigns the rhetoric gets overheated and amplified,’ he conceded, after I reminded him that he had called NAFTA ‘devastating’ and ‘a big mistake,’ despite nonpartisan studies concluding that the trade zone has had a mild, positive effect on the U.S. economy.” (Nina Easton, “Obama: NAFTA Not So Bad After All,” Fortune, 6/18/08)
The Wall Street Journal Reported That Barack Obama Would Consider Lowering Corporate Taxes. “Sen. Obama’s nod to lowering corporate taxes comes as Republicans have been attacking him for proposals that would raise the cost of doing business, such as his pledge to raise the tax rate on capital gains, and his vow to increase the top income-tax rates, which are often used by small, unincorporated enterprises. He didn’t say how deeply he would cut the rate, but said it could be trimmed in return for reducing corporate tax breaks, simplifying the tax system.” (Bob Davis and Amy Chozick, “Obama Plans Spending Boost, Possible Cut In Business Tax,” The Wall Street Journal, 6/17/08) Just Last Month, Barack Obama Called Corporate Tax Cuts “The Exact Wrong Prescription For America.” OBAMA: “And his proposals, which are essentially $300 billion worth of corporate tax cuts … I think is the exact wrong prescription for America.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 5/4/08)
In June 2008, Barack Obama Said He Thought The D.C. Handgun Ban Was Unconstitutional. Obama: “It looks to me that the D.C. handgun ban overshot the runway. That it went beyond constitutional limits.” (Bloomberg’s “Taking Stock,” 6/26/08) Obama Campaign: “Obama Believes The D.C. Handgun Law Is Constitutional.” “[T]he campaign of Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said that he ‘…believes that we can recognize and respect the rights of law-abiding gun owners and the right of local communities to enact common sense laws to combat violence and save lives. Obama believes the D.C. handgun law is constitutional.’” (James Oliphant and Michael J. Higgins, “Court To Hear Gun Case,” Chicago Tribune, 11/20/07) During An Interview, Barack Obama Acknowledged His Support For The D.C. Gun Ban. Questioner Leon Harris: “One other issue that’s of great importance here in the district as well is gun control. You said in Idaho recently - I’m quoting here - ‘I have no intention of taking away folks’ guns,’ but you support the D.C. handgun ban.” Obama: “Right.” (Leon Harris and Sen. Barack Obama, Forum Sponsored By ABC And Politico.Com, Washington, DC, 2/12/08)
Barack Obama Attacks John McCain On Energy Policy, Saying He Will Be A “Third Bush Term.” OBAMA: “Make no mistake, this is an area where John McCain is offering a third Bush term.” (Thomas Fitzgerald, “Obama Knocks McCain, Says Primary Fight Not Hurting, Philadelphia Inquirer, 4/1/08) “Obama, Of Course, Voted For The 2005 Energy Bill, Which Passed The Senate Overwhelmingly 74-26.” (Jake Tapper, “Who’s Offering A 3rd Bush Term On Energy?” ABC News’ “Political Punch” Blog, blogs.abcnews.com, 4/3/08) “Someone Else Who Voted Against It? The Candidate Whom Obama Says Is Offering ‘A Third Bush Term’ On Energy Policy — John McCain.” (Jake Tapper, “Who’s Offering A 3rd Bush Term On Energy?” ABC News’ “Political Punch” Blog, blogs.abcnews.com, 4/3/08)
In September 2007, Barack Obama Said “I Don’t Think That We Can Take Nuclear Power Off The Table”. “I don’t think that we can take nuclear power off the table. What we have to make sure of is that we have the capacity to store it properly and safely, and that we reduce whatever threats might come from terrorism.” (Sen. Barack Obama, MSNBC Democrat Presidential Candidate Debate, Hanover, NH, 9/26/07) In December 2007, Barack Obama Said “I Am Not A Nuclear Energy Proponent”. “I start off with the premise that nuclear energy is not optimal. I am not a nuclear energy proponent.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks At Town Hall Event, Newton, IA, 12/30/07)
Campaign Adviser, Kavita Patel, Said That Obama “Is Not Opposed To The Idea” Of An Individual Mandate And That The Campaign Is In Touch With Former Clinton Health Care Advisers. “Asked if Obama would be seen as reversing himself if he were to endorse an individual mandate after clashing with Clinton on the issue, Patel dismissed the concern. ‘He has not said he is opposed to it,’ [Kavita] Patel told ABC News. ‘He has voiced his disagreement with having that be a part of his health-care plan last year. But he is not opposed to the idea itself.’ Patel added that the Obama campaign is in touch with former Clinton health-care advisers.” (Teddy Davis, John Santucci and Gregory Wallace, “Obama Health Plan Could Go In Clinton’s Direction,” ABC News‘ “Political Radar” Blog, blogs.abcnews.com, 6/26/08) Barack Obama Argued With Sen. Clinton Saying There Is “A Different Way” To Achieve Universal Care Rather Than Imposing An Individual Mandate. Obama: “We’ve got a philosophical difference which we’ve debated repeatedly, and that is that Senator Clinton believes the only way to achieve universal health care is to force everybody to purchase it, and my belief is the reason that people don’t have it is not because they don’t want it, but because they can’t afford it.” (Barack Obama, CNN/Univision Democrat Presidential Debate, Austin, TX, 2/21/08)
In October 2007, The Obama Campaign Pledged He Would Filibuster “Any Bill That Includes Retroactive Immunity For Telecommunications Companies.” Obama Spokesman Bill Burton: “To be clear: Barack will support a filibuster of any bill that includes retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies.” (Greg Sargent, “Obama Camp Says It: He’ll Support Filibuster Of Any Bill Containing Telecom Immunity,” Talking Points Memo’s “Election Central” Blog, tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com, 10/24/07) Barack Obama Now Supports A Bill Reauthorizing Electronic Surveillance That Grants Immunity To Telecommunications Companies. Obama: “Under this compromise legislation, an important tool in the fight against terrorism will continue. It does, however, grant retroactive immunity, and I will work in the Senate to remove this provision so that we can seek full accountability for past offenses. So I support the compromise, but do so with a firm pledge that as President, I will carefully monitor the program, review the report by the Inspectors General, and work with the Congress to take any additional steps I deem necessary to protect the lives and the liberty of the American people.” (Ben Smith, “Obama Backs FISA Compromise,” The Politico’s “Ben Smith” Blog, www.politico.com, 6/20/08)
When Asked About Today’s Supreme Court Decision Striking Down The Use Of The Death Penalty For A Child Rapist, Barack Obama Stated That He Disagreed With The Decision. Reporter: “Senator, what’s your reaction to the Supreme Court’s decision today striking down the death penalty for a child rapist?” Obama: “I disagree with the decision. I have said repeatedly that I think that the death penalty should be applied in very narrow circumstances, for the most egregious of crimes. I think that the rape of a small child, 6 or 8 years old, is a heinous crime. And if a state makes a decision that under narrow, limited, well-defined circumstances, the death penalty is at least potentially applicable, that that does not violate our constitution. Now, I think it’s — you know, had the Supreme Court said we want to constrain the ability of the states to do this to make sure that it’s done in a careful and appropriate way, that would have been one thi ng. But it basically had a blanket prohibition and I disagreed with that decision.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Press Conference, Chicago, IL, 6/25/08) Running For The Illinois State Senate In 1996, Barack Obama Opposed The Death Penalty. Question: “Do you support capital punishment?” Obama’s Answer: “No.” (Independent Voters Of Illinois Independent Precinct Organization 1996 General Candidate Questionnaire, Barack Obama Responses, 9/9/96)
At A July 2007 Debate, Barack Obama Announced He Would Personally Meet With Leaders Of Iran, North Korea, Syria And Other Hostile Nations “Without Precondition.” QUESTION: “[W]ould you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea, in order to bridge the gap that divides our countries?”… OBAMA: “I would. And the reason is this, that the notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them — which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration - is ridiculous.” (CNN/YouTube Democrat Presidential Candidate Debate, Charleston, SC, 7/23/07) The Boston Globe’s Joan Vennochi: “On foreign policy, Obama went from stating that he would meet, without preconditions, with the president of Iran, to saying he would meet ‘with the appropriate Iranian leaders at a time and place of my choosing - if and only if - it can advance the interests of the United States.’” (Joan Vennochi, Op-Ed, “Obama And McCain Flip-Flop, Flip-Flop,” The Boston Globe, 6/22/08)
At The Annual AIPAC Policy Conference, Barack Obama Says Clearly That Jerusalem Should Be The “Undivided” Capital Of Israel. Obama: “Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks At The Annual AIPAC Policy Conference, Arlington, VA, 6/4/08) One Day After The AIPAC Conference, Barack Obama Said The Future Of Jerusalem Would Have To Be Negotiated By Israel And The Palestinians. CNN’s Candy Crowley: “I want to ask you about something you said in AIPAC yesterday. You said that Jerusalem must remain undivided. Do Palestinians have no claim to Jerusalem in the future?” Obama: “Well, obviously, it’s going to be up to the parties to negotiate a range of these issues.” (CNN’s “The Situation Room,” 6/5/08)
Barack Obama: “As president, I’ll maintain the embargo it’s an important inducement for change because we know that Castro’s death will not guarantee freedom.” (Beth Reinhard, “It’s Got A Good Beat And You Can Dance To It,” The Miami Herald’s “Naked Politics” Blog, 8/25/07)“In January 2004, Obama Said It Was Time ‘To End The Embargo With Cuba’ Because It Had ‘Utterly Failed In The Effort To Overthrow Castro.’” (”Top Obama Flip-Flops,” The Washington Post, 2/25/08)Barack Obama: “I think it’s time for us to end the embargo with Cuba.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks At Southern Illinois University, Carbondale, IL, 1/20/04)CHANGE #15: Barack Obama Is Against The California Ballot Measure Banning Gay Marriage Despite His Assertion That Marriage Is Between A Man And A WomanBarack Obama Came Out Against A California Ballot Measure That Would Ban Same-Sex Marriage. “Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, who previously said the issue of gay marriage should be left up to each state, has announced his opposition to a California ballot measure that would ban same-sex marriages. In a letter to the Alice B. Toklas LGBT Democratic Club read Sunday at the group’s annual Pride Breakfast in San Francisco, the Illinois senator said he supports extending ‘fully equal rights and benefits to same-sex couples under both state and federal law.’” (Aurelio Rojas, “Obama Rejects Proposed California Gay Marriage Ban,” Sacramento Bee, 7/1/08)“Obama Had Previously Said He Opposes Same-Sex Marriage But That Each State Should Make Its Own Decision.” (Aurelio Rojas, “Obama Rejects Proposed California Gay Marriage Ban,” Sacramento Bee, 7/1/08)
Barack Obama Says He Would Debate John McCain “Anywhere, Anytime.” OBAMA: “I am happy to have a debate with John McCain and George Bush about foreign policy. If John McCain wants to meet me anywhere, anytime, to have a debate about our respective policies in Iraq, Iran, the Middle East or around the world, that is a conversation I am happy to have. Because I believe that there is no separation between John McCain and George Bush when it comes to our Middle East policy and I think their policy has failed.” (Barack Obama, Media Availability, Watertown, SD, 5/16/08)However, Barack Obama Has Rejected Joint Town Hall Meetings. “Avoiding town hall meetings and rejecting public campaign financing may be predictable strategies for minimizing one of McCain’s greatest strengths and exploiting one of his key weaknesses. But they pull Obama down into the cynical political calculations he pledged to rise above.” (Editorial, “Obama’s Big Words Ring Hollow,” St. Petersburg Times, 6/20/08)
70 comments from 17 users
posted by
TSM
on Jul 9, 2008 at 01:29 PM
CHANGE #1: Despite Pledging To Withdraw American Troops From Iraq Immediately He never said that, as your own list stated. You rightwingers just can't get anything right. The rest of the list is full of the same lies and distortions.
posted by
TSM
on Jul 9, 2008 at 01:30 PM
* McCain supported the drilling moratorium; now he’s against it. * McCain strongly opposes a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea. * McCain thought Bush’s warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite. * McCain defended “privatizing” Social Security. Now he says he’s against privatization (though he actually still supports it.) Wait, I’m not done with the last two weeks yet…. * McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite. * He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.” * McCain said he would “not impose a litmus test on any nominee.” He used to promise the opposite. And these come after these other reversals from April and May: * McCain believes the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration’s warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite. * McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite. * McCain supported moving “towards normalization of relations” with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite. * McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite. * McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite. * He argued the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party’s policy making. Now he believes the opposite. * McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn’t. * He wanted political support from radical televangelists like John Hagee and Rod Parsley. Now he doesn’t. * McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn’t. And these are the flip-flops I’ve noticed earlier: * McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a “‘read my lips’ candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?” referring to George H.W. Bush’s 1988 pledge. “No new taxes,” McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, “I’m not making a ‘read my lips’ statement, in that I will not raise taxes.” * McCain is both for and against a “rogue state rollback” as a focus of his foreign policy vision. * McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry’s Democratic ticket in 2004. * In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won’t commit to supporting a regulation bill he’s co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris’ former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser. * McCain has changed his economic worldview on multiple occasions. * McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions. * McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church. * McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off than they were before Bush took office. * McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona. * McCain believes his endorsement from radical televangelist John Hagee was both a good and bad idea. * McCain’s first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn’t be “rewarded” for acting “irresponsibly.” His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position. * McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal. * In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding. * McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty’s behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it. * McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants’ kids who graduate from high school. Now he’s against it. * On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own legislation. * In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving “feedback” on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure. * McCain said before the war in Iraq, “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was “probably going to be long and hard and tough.” * McCain said he was the “greatest critic” of Rumsfeld’s failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as “a mission accomplished.” In March 2004, he said, “I’m confident we’re on the right course.” In December 2005, he said, “Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course.” * McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite. * McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn’t be allowed. * McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks. * McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February. * On a related note, he said 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were “too tilted to the wealthy.” By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and insisted he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending. * In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support. * McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation. * McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it. * McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it. * McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol. * McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag. * McCain decided in 2000 that he didn’t want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he “would taint the image of the ‘Straight Talk Express.’” Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair for his presidential campaign in New York.
posted by
Maggiepoo
on Jul 9, 2008 at 01:35 PM
Signs of a desperate GOP,,, Feels sort of comforting to see them squirm and slither.. Pres Obama...nice ring to that..refreshing and hopeful posted by
TSM
on Jul 9, 2008 at 01:41 PM
McCain lost any chance he had with his comments on Social Security and his plan to privatize it. Especially considering how pension plans are hemorrhaging their value this year. http://money.cnn.com/2008/0...
posted by
randomfactor
on Jul 9, 2008 at 01:43 PM
"Jukebox John" McBush: changes his tune every few minutes, but it's the same malady we've been hearing for the past seven years. Good thing he doesn't have to go on the record in the Senate, having missed every vote since mid-May. Ted Kennedy, being treated for a brain tumor, is there. But not McBush. Hey, BS, know why it's so expensive for McBush to visit the beach? He goes through a pair of flip-flops every day... . But, in McBush's behalf, he probably has a hard time remembering what his positions are. Old people are forgetful. posted by
randomfactor
on Jul 9, 2008 at 01:43 PM
But thanks for your vote, BS. That's one more for Barack. posted by
nooneisabovethelaw
on Jul 9, 2008 at 01:48 PM
Anyway, all your points are from the liberal media, and we know they can't be trusted. Kind of like the lessons we learned about the Swift Boat episode: if Kerry's record isn't what the Navy said it was, how can we trust their account of what happened to McCain? posted by
randomfactor
on Jul 9, 2008 at 01:57 PM
This press release is from McBush's campaign. I'll wait for next week's version. posted by
Maggiepoo
on Jul 9, 2008 at 02:00 PM
Random,,you are mistaking !! That was from last week !! posted by
sagefever
on Jul 9, 2008 at 02:07 PM
posted by
sflawler
on Jul 9, 2008 at 02:20 PM
I always get a good laugh from your post Superwoman. It amazes me how people like yourself can be so clueless. Keep up the good work, I love to laugh. posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jul 9, 2008 at 02:23 PM
BS, It's nice to see that you're getting the RNC memos. I hear all you guys are supposed to trot out these talking points or your membership card is revoked.
I'm waiting for you to hold McCain to your standards of flip-flopping. You should have a much longer list for him. posted by
BakersfieldSuperman
on Jul 9, 2008 at 02:24 PM
Hey tsm, just thought i would let you see what was actually being talked about. I have one question for you because i know you don't think obama has a bad bone in his body, but weren't you the one who said that i was just making up the 15 out of 18 Iraqi benchmarks being met? If so I was wondering if you had caught the news, googled, talked to anyone about it. I mean when I told you about it it was breaking news and you said I made it up because you did not believe it. So now that its old news and has been reported on by every news station, and confirmed by even you own candidate, am I still just making it up? YOu can apologize to me now if you want, better yet just donate to McCain, posted by
sflawler
on Jul 9, 2008 at 02:26 PM
Pete, BS can not think for himself, he only believes what his party tells him to believe, so I would not hold your breath for a McCain list from him. posted by
randomfactor
on Jul 9, 2008 at 02:29 PM
No, BS, we pointed out that the White House was splitting hairs about the "efforts" being made to achieve the ever-changing Iraqi benchmarks. That the right-leaning press as a group are almost as bad at reading comprehension as you are does not get any more benchmarks actually met. You were just swallowing their bovine excrement and regurgitating it here. posted by
BakersfieldSuperman
on Jul 9, 2008 at 02:29 PM
lol its not a memo it was a press release, did you read it? My guess is not. BUt that doesn't mean no one should. Look when it comes down to it PP head, the truth is that your going to vote for who you like and people like who they like. just want people to know who Obama the agent of change really is. If the above things don't bother that fine vote for him, for instance I dont mind McCain want to drill now, considering the price of gas. He originally was agianst it but now say hey if a state supports it so will I. But to win a nomination by making promises and then to go back on all of them. Well that just considering yourself and i dont need a Pres. like that. just highlight one thing I read from TSM, he dosnt think we should believe McCains war record, dont you think thats just an example of how bad guys like him are? I mean attacking a war hero who's record is very clear, just because they favor Barack. Pretty sad really posted by
TSM
on Jul 9, 2008 at 02:31 PM
because i know you don't think obama has a bad bone in his body Shows how little you know. Obama has his flaws, but he's still a much better candidate than John "I want to be like the failure Bush" McCain. but weren't you the one who said that i was just making up the 15 out of 18 Iraqi benchmarks being met? Your own cite said you were just making it up. Are you still hanging on to the belief that "efforts" is the same as being met? If so I was wondering if you had caught the news, googled, talked to anyone about it. I didn't have to catch the news, Google it or talk to anyone since your own cite said you were just making it up. YOu can apologize to me now if you want There's nothing to apologize for. You lied when you claimed the benchmarks were met.
posted by
TSM
on Jul 9, 2008 at 02:35 PM
its not a memo it was a press release It's both, as you proved by posting it. And a press release isn't what you think it is. But to win a nomination by making promises and then to go back on all of them. Well that just considering yourself and i dont need a Pres. like that. Then you obviously won't be voting for McCain, right? I somehow think you'll prove yourself to be a hypocrite when it comes down to it. he dosnt think we should believe McCains war record Where did I ever make that claim? You're lying yet again. Pretty sad really What's sad is how you keep posting this tripe and getting smacked down for it. I almost feel sorry for you. Almost.
posted by
sflawler
on Jul 9, 2008 at 02:39 PM
I agree TSM. I always wonder why BS keeps posting when he is always proven to either be wrong or flat out making stuff up. posted by
TSM
on Jul 9, 2008 at 02:43 PM
I always wonder why BS keeps posting when he is always proven to either be wrong or flat out making stuff up. He's starved for attention. Even if it's negative attention.
posted by
randomfactor
on Jul 9, 2008 at 02:45 PM
He's starved for attention. Even if it's negative attention. Quintessential troll motivation. posted by
TSM
on Jul 9, 2008 at 02:54 PM
Quintessential troll motivation. You see it all the time from the rightwingers in Usenet.
posted by
sflawler
on Jul 9, 2008 at 02:54 PM
"just highlight one thing I read from TSM, he dosnt think we should believe McCains war record, dont you think thats just an example of how bad guys like him are? I mean attacking a war hero who's record is very clear, just because they favor Barack. Pretty sad really" Just read TSMs post and did not see anything about McCains war record. BS could you please explain your above statement or is it just something you made up? posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jul 9, 2008 at 02:59 PM
BS, you said "for instance I dont mind (if) McCain want(s) to drill now, considering the price of gas. He originally was agianst it but now say(s) hey if a state supports it so will I.
We can all apply flip flopping labels to everyone that has ever been in a decision making position, but what's the point? People should change their mind if they get new information that would have changed their original position. The bottom line here is that the 2 candidates have different positions on the issues, so there is a clear choice without resorting to this silliness.
Oh, and you don't need to bother with the personal insults (calling me PP head). They don't make me mad, and really just make you look juvenile. I think we can rise above that, don't you? posted by
TSM
on Jul 9, 2008 at 03:00 PM
McCain on the economy — incoherent, deceptive, and more of the same "I sometimes get the sense someone dared John McCain to run for president while spouting nothing but nonsense, just to see what he could get away with. Today is just such an occasion... It's hard to imagine even gullible conservatives falling for such a transparently ridiculous pitch. McCain thinks he can make permanent (George W.) Bush's tax cuts, and add some new tax cuts of his own, and eliminate the AMT, and keep the wars going indefinitely, and increase the Pentagon's budget, and eliminate a $410 billion deficit in four years. It's pure fantasy. Meet John McCain, the candidate who bases his policies on magic ponies, and his rhetoric on the hopes that voters are idiots." First, it’s worth noting from the outset that McCain’s new vow to balance the budget — in other words, eliminate a $400 billion deficit in four years while cutting taxes — is itself a reversal. McCain initially promised to balance the budget by 2013, then he decided he didn’t like that promise anymore and withdrew it. Now, he’s changed his mind again, and brought the promise back. http://www.thecarpetbaggerr...
posted by
TSM
on Jul 9, 2008 at 03:02 PM
"Keep in mind that McCain is promising to do all this while also promising to extend the Bush tax cuts AND ramping up military spending all during a bleak economic setting with current deficit projections hovering near 400 billion annually. Oh, and did I mention the aging population and rising health care costs, and the shrinking dollar, and our energy crisis? There really is nothing else to say other than John McCain is just making s*** up." http://www.balloon-juice.co...
posted by
TSM
on Jul 9, 2008 at 03:02 PM
I think we may have come to that moment, that quick turn of events, that encapsulates the fact that there is apparently no limit to the howlers and nonsense that John McCain can throw out and still not generate collective guffaws or even scrutiny from the national political press. Bear with me on this one because it's genuinely mind-boggling. Today John McCain is getting lots of press for his new plan to balance the budget during his first term -- what can only be called an extraordinarily ambitious promise. The first pick was from Mike Allen's piece late last night in The Politico. Now, the general routine is the face of this kind of candidate announcement is that journalists and economists look at the numbers to see if they add up. In most cases, the exercises generates fairly unsatisfying contradictory opinions, with some experts saying one thing and other experts another. But here's the thing. McCain doesn't have any numbers. None. Not vague numbers of fuzzy math. He just says he's going to do it. Any other candidate would get laughed off the stage with that kind of nonsense or more likely reporters just wouldn't agree to give them a write up. But this is all over the place. The simple truth is that given his foreign policy promises in Iraq and tax cut promises at home there's really no way McCain could come up with even a fuzzy plan to balance the budget in his first term. So he's decided instead just promise it. Included in his white paper is just the standard hocum about cutting waste, fraud and abuse in government and making sure we have "reasonable economic growth." Remember, this is the guy who's riding on his reputation for 'straight talk'. And he's just promised that he'll balance the budget in his first term. For any serious reporter covering this campaign that should immediately lead to a request for actual numbers to back up how he's going to accomplish that. As I noted last night, one of McCain's vague assertions was that he "would reserve all savings from victory in the Iraq and Afghanistan operations in the fight against Islamic extremists for reducing the deficit." So what are the numbers behind that? We just asked the McCain campaign and the response we got was ... It's pretty straightforward, as we win, costs will go down with a smaller footprint over time, and those savings will go to deficit reduction. It's really the logical extension of Senator McCain's position as articulated in the 2013 speech. Achieving success in Iraq would obviously lead to reduced expenditures on the effort. This is what's behind McCain's promise. I'll do a lot of things that will get the deficit down. One of them is the the guarantee of victories in Iraq and Afghanistan and obviously that will save a lot of money. As I said, this is the reductio ad absurdum of the mad pass John McCain gets on everything. He's pledging to balance the budget in four years and when asked for details he says, 'We'll get back to you on that.' http://talkingpointsmemo.co...
posted by
Maggiepoo
on Jul 9, 2008 at 03:04 PM
Mr Cindy was not a hero,, he is only classified as a "surviver" by his fellow Vets...
Vietnamese tell international press that POW McCain was "singled out for softer treatment" http://www.vietnamveteransa...
posted by
randomfactor
on Jul 9, 2008 at 03:05 PM
McBush could only do it if he lined up the troops in Iraq along the main pipeline and simply stole the oil to sell on the open market. If he's willing to be *THAT* blatant about his "War for Oil," he should say so. posted by
randomfactor
on Jul 9, 2008 at 03:08 PM
McBush got favored treatment all along because of who his father was. Just like his mini-me clone, Shrub. posted by
ChicoEsquela
on Jul 9, 2008 at 03:15 PM
You are a [edit] You or Maggie couldn't shine his shoes Never could, never will You both drone on here incessantly about things you google, etc. but really know nothing about Its one reason I quit posting unless its something I have personal experience with posted by
TSM
on Jul 9, 2008 at 03:15 PM
The McCain Rules http://www.prospect.org/cs/..._rules
posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jul 9, 2008 at 03:16 PM
Random, I almost wouldn't mind if we did just steal the oil, but I fear instead, they would just sell it for profit at the same prices we're paying now. Of course I'm assuming that isn't what's going on now. posted by
randomfactor
on Jul 9, 2008 at 03:19 PM
Oh, they'd be at the current prices, just as the black-market oil that's been siphoned off all along has been. posted by
TSM
on Jul 9, 2008 at 03:26 PM
A former Vietnam veteran with top secret clearance says he has personally spoken to numerous POW's who dispute John McCain's claim that he refused to provide information after he was captured and tortured in Hanoi, saying that in fact McCain's code-name was "Songbird" because of his willingness to tell all to avoid torture. "He never was tortured - they were there in the camp with him and then when he came in....he immediately started spilling his guts about everything because he didn't want to get tortured," said McLamb, contradicting the official story that McCain only offered his name, rank, serial number, and date of birth. It is commonly accepted that McCain was treated better than other POW's and afforded medical care immediately after the North Vietnamese discovered that his father was a top admiral.
posted by
randomfactor
on Jul 9, 2008 at 03:27 PM
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