After seeing another death when the BPD are called, I would advise anyone who loves their loved ones, don't call the BPD! In my opinion something is very seriously wrong and I think it is time that their procedures are checked out.

Thanks dirtyshirt for the correction on it being the Sheriff's office. My bad! I was just so upset when I read the article I didn't stop to think. But you, AudreyB, TSM, and Im just me are right. Both departments need checking into.

Sheriff's people this time, not BPD. But one hears this stuff so often, both departments end up resembling each other. It DOES seem like something's amiss here, doesn't it?

LE in Bako needs some PR or something...

Meth, overweight, alcohol?   A dog bite and a taser isn't enough to kill unless there are mitigating causes.

A dog bite and a taser isn't enough to kill unless there are mitigating causes

If you read the stories from across the country, and from Canada, on the use of tasers you'll see that the only mitigating factor in the majority of cases has been the use of a taser. The taser caused cardiac arrests which resulted in the death of the person.

Like in the case of this 16 year old:

http://www.wsws.org/article...

Whether it's BPD or Sheriff's dept., it's been alot lately.

Well another "suspicious death" while in the hands of Kern County Law enforcement! My trust and reliability is gettin slimer and slimmer with KC law enforcement these days... I will still call on them for help if needed, hoping God will send a decent God fearing one however, I will definitely think twice if it is not a life or death emergency, god forbid I ever be envolved in one. All I have to say is these law enforcement officers wether it be BPD or Sherriffs will have a higher power to answer to whether they want to or not. Although I can't really judge cause I wasn't there but the numbers of deaths while in the custody of these officers are getting up there and are enough for every citizen to question "what the hell is going on". And of course their buddies are gonna back up their partners, and the families and friends, but  you too will probably have to answer for that even not knowing the entire situation. It's pretty sad cause the corrupt ones are giving the rightous ones a bad name. Let's just pray for our leaders and law enforcement that God throw out the dirty ones to save the good ones.Hmmm wonder why some not all people react negatively regarding law enforcement officers. Most abuse their authority, and are not put in their place. But just to reiterate, God will put them in their place one way or another. I truley believe that!!!

Give law enforcement a break.  The man resisted arrest.  What were they supposed to do - coddle him?  Give him a bah bah and tell him everything is supposed to be ok?  I'm sick and tired of my tax dollars spent on law enforcement who are forced to babysit the public and resolve petty disputes when there are criminals out there who affect me, and not some crack head addict and his doper partner fighting each other over who gets the last of the 8 ball.

So what if the guy died of a taser wound - if it wasn't that you'd say "they shouldn't have shot him" or "they beat him up trying to handcuff him."  Bottom line is they used the most benign and passive defensive instrument in their arsenal and he should be damn lucky they didn't shoot him or club him to death.  If he died from being stunned then maybe he shouldn't have provoked them into stunning him!  In any event, that's one less prisoner we have to worry about now.  Doperella can get high and forget all about her abusive partner and I'll find another blog and forget this guy ever existed.

If a suspect does not submit to arrest without resistance, the Officer/Deputy should just leave and let the suspect go about his/her business, right?  No chance of injury or death to the miscreant that way!  No lawsuits for law enforcement to worry about. Too bad if the battered spouse gets beaten  again.  That's life!

Sorry, but I don't have any sympathy for the guy.  If he weren't in that postion to begin with this would not have happened...

It seems to me that the officers responding had two choices--do what they did using the taser, or back off and let the guy continue his assault on his "loved one".  Like mrs e said, he put himself in that position. He didn't back off and received the next level of force to try and make him cooperate.

Interesting...just the other day the detention deputies were being blasted by sheriff deputy supporters about alleged mishaps with detainees.  Guess they should clean up their own back yard first!

"Like mrs e said, he put himself in that position. He didn't back off and received the next level of force to try and make him cooperate."

Maybe. Unless you were there, I don't know how you could figure that you know any of this. Even the reporter's summary of the police report doesn't say "he didn't back off". There are lots of ways to resist arrest.

This is an example of the usual assume the police got it right attitude that left the BPD and the Sheriff's office so unchecked that we find ourselves in this position in the first place.

If a suspect does not submit to arrest without resistance, the Officer/Deputy should just leave and let the suspect go about his/her business, right? 

Midterm, that is probably the most ingnorant statement of heard. If somebody hurt you or one of your family members, would you be ok with the suspect getting off because he decided he didn't want to follow the directives of the officers? I hardly think so.

It would be stupidity to say that that law enforcement should coddle the alleged accuser or pat him on the head duhh do we want to be protected by a officer of this type of nature NO! However, I will say it again for some of you that do not UNDERSTAND. We werent there we can't judge what happen BUT how is it that this type of incident keeps happening.. That ! someone needs to look into... Can we have 5 or 6 or 7 officers hold a man down if he is resisting arrest and not on drugs, hmmm.. if not, then we have to question why are they even in this type of field. And it's no wonder we have corrupt situations going on in our society by reading some of the blogs it's no wonder we are in this predicament, seems similar to the predicament of everyone trying to take God out of our schools, money, and so on and so forth. So just cause you have someone related to you in law enforcement or a good friend in law enforcement, or in law enforcement yourself, don't just go along with wrong doing, IF wrong doing was committed. Stand on the side of what is right!! But by seeing some of the bloggers pic it's no wonder immorality goes out the window for them... no one knows what happen only the officers that were there, the suspect and God, now if some of you want to play God be my guest but play at your own risk.

You wouldn't call on your loved ones because they might die?  Ok then just let them kill you or your child.  Smart thinking tabbytummy.  If your loved ones were doing something like this to you what would you do then?  Please let us know so that we can tell everyone else so that the BPD and KCSD wont have to be called out to protect us anymore.  And when someone you love does something crazy that would merit a visit from the BPD or KCSD and you decide not to call them and they hurt you or someone I love I hope you can live with that.  Have you ever been beaten or attacked like that?  If so you should get some help because it needs to stop.  You don't have to let it happen just because you think they will die if you call for help.  Good luck!

It's very easy for some of you to pass judgement.  I'm sure you're sitting in an air conditioned house, office or whatever reading this.  The entire truth of the matter is that none of you were there.  None of you face what the understaffed law enforcement community face on a daily basis. Yes, they have signed up for this, and yes, things can go south in a hurry.  These men and women do work on a battlefield everyday.  Yes, I said battlefield.  I say this because parts of this "Community" have turned into a thrid world country.  There are some savage people in this community who have no respect for you, themselves, this "Community" or life in general.  You should thank them (LAW ENFORCEMENT) when you see them, not stab them in the back on some computer site.

Readers,,

theopressedone, a constant blogger, is at it again. He defends a "Deputy Sheriff" or rather 4 Deputy Sheriff's that were involved in this incident taht killed another human being. He even most recently condemned the 3 Detention Deputies that were involved in the beating death of J. Moore at the down town jail facility. They still have not been found guilty by a jury of their peers.

Tragic ethics from a citizen of this community and quit possibly a Deputy Himself and all the more reason to worry about the "Deputy Sheriff" working the street and that unethical one sidedness may soon be working in the Jail.

Bakersfield beware

Below is a direct quote from "theoppressedone"

"It's very easy for some of you to pass judgment.  I'm sure you're sitting in an air conditioned house, office or whatever reading this.  The entire truth of the matter is that none of you were there".

Only several days ago "theoppressedone" was condemning Detention Deputies who have not had a trial and the oppresedone was not there at the incident either. Matter of fact there was  a Deputy Sheriff present who failed to stop what he saw.

levelheadedone: My statement, of course, was tongue in cheek sarcasm!  See my last sentence: "Too bad if the battered spouse gets beaten again."

 But by seeing some of the bloggers pic it's no wonder immorality goes out the window for them...

Wow!  I guess I need to change my pic!  Wouldn't want someone to judge me based on my profile picture!

New profile pic...  BTW- the bug did not resist but we put him in solitary confinement anyway!

Tabbytummy - you are SO right!

"I cannot believe, or want to believe, that she would have called the sheriffs office if she had realized that he would die."

Instead she would allow him to beat her again, and again, and again, thinking she deserved it.

That's the right way to live right?

You're an idiot

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There is absolutely no excuse for a male "loved one" to put his hands on a female "loved one".  To inflict physical pain and injury is deplorable.  Period.  I moved away from the one that did it to me.  Sorry, but I feel very strongly about this topic.  And yes, I am close to people in LE, but that has nothing to do with the way I feel. People need to stop doing stupid things.  Like I said before, he put himself in that postion.  If you don't want to get wet, don't get in the water...

But by seeing some of the bloggers pic it's no wonder immorality goes out the window for them...

Didn't you mean "morality"???

THE WHOLE SITUATION IS SAD. SHE STAYED, HE WAS ABUSIVE, SHE DIDN'T KNOW HOW OR COULDN'T LEAVE HIM. THAT HAS BEEN SAID AND SAID AGAIN. MAYBE SHE FEELS RELIEF KNOWING THAT HE CAN NEVER HURT HER AGAIN. THAT IS UP TO HER AND HER ALONE. I  CAN'T JUDGE HER AND I WOULDN'T EVEN TRY TO. I WAS NOT IN HER SHOES.

WHAT SOME OF YOU AREN'T UNDERSTANDING IS THAT I AM WORRIED ABOUT SO MANY DEATHS HAPPENING BY THESE AGENCIES. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF YOU CALL THEM, YOU CAN BE CERTAIN THAT THE PERSON WILL DIE. THAT IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO GET ACROSS. IT NEEDS TO BE CHECKED OUT.

Bcollazo is referring to my picture regarding immorality.  It's ok because that rambling diatribe of his just shows me the poor guy is suffering from the onset of Alzheimers and the crankiness of Old-Timers disease.

Look, I don't care for "the cops" any more than the rest of you crooks.  I think they are arrogant punks who think they are above the law and strut around in their tight fitting uniforms, their gun belts begging to be unbuckled, handcuffing you, grabbing you by the hair and making you do things you don't want to do out of hope they may soddomize you with their baton. 

But at the same time if you put these young people into stressful situations where they are dealing with an irrational, demanding and cry-baby public who can't think for themselves much less be responsible for their own actions, who on every impulse or whim pick up the phone and dial 9-1-1 to have someone else sort it out for them NO WONDER they overreact the way they do sometimes.

In this instance I think the use of the immobilizing device was completely appropriate.  I don't want 7 cops out there to wrestle each offender to the ground, unless they are nude, and I think the high incidences of death from these devices isn't due to overzealous usage by the police but rather the drugs many of these criminals have poisoned their body with.  Any type of strain on an already weakened system will compromise it, including the strain of being arrested, so whose fault is it when you put the police in the situation where they MUST arrest you and then make them double and triple guess themselves as to how to do it quickly and safely whle safeguarding their well-being, the public's safety, and the safety of the nutcase forcing them to do this in the first place?

Tabbytummy - maybe, just maybe, if we can bring respect for LE and others in this country, we wouldn't have this kind of crime. Get it? It's called RESPECT for all others besides yourself.

Billionare-Whether you are immoral or moral is up for interpretation in my opinion.  Your private life does not affect me and it shouldn't affect anyone else.  It's your life!  This is one of many topics that everyone will never agree on.

now if some of you want to play God be my guest but play at your own risk.

I think I read somewhere "Judge not lest ye be judged thyself"...

Oh I don't think anyone was passing judgement on me, but I know that comment was aimed in my direction.

Here's a video on how I feel about what others think of my lifestyle.

Their goal wasn't for the guy to die.  The goal was to subdue him.  The girl herself flagged down the police so obviously she was afraid.   No one expects a death to happen in custody but to say that you'd rather she take the chance that he would beat her with the baseball bat SHE said he was weilding than call the cops and risk his injury is very dangerous thinking.  That's how spouses end up in hospitals..or dead themselves.

No, I wasn't there, no I don't know any of the people involved.  All I do know is that if someone beat me I would call the cops.  The guy wasn't too worried about injuring HER now was he?  

Read up on the cycle of domestic violence and the honeymoon syndrome.   Let me tell you to my brother in law whose neice was ultimately shot and killed on her doorstep by her ex husband.  Who would you rather protect?

I'm curious...for all who jump on the bandwagon demanding an ounce of flesh from the peace officers who are doing their job...how many people are arrested in KC every year?  And how many die in custody?  Any idea?

One thing more.  They didn't KILL him.  He died while resisting arrest according to the report.  Unless you know differently, then our guess is as good as yours.  Any money on whether or not he was on drugs at the time?

VERY GOOD POINT NANCY ll.  AT LEAST YOU ARE STAYING ON THE SUBJECT. THAT YOU SHOULD  STICK AROUND AND POSSIBLY BE BEATEN UP OR WORSE, IS SERIOUSLY WRONG! WHAT I AM SAYING IS IF YOU CAN GET AWAY FROM THIS VOLATILE SITUATION,  AND THE PERSON WILL NOT HARM OTHERS, THEN  DO THAT.  REALIZE THAT WHEN YOU DO DECIDE TO CALL THE OFFICERS, THAT DEATH IS A POSSIBILITY TO THE OFFENDER. THERE SHOULD BE ANOTHER WAY FOR THE OFFICERS TO DEAL WITH THIS KIND OF SITUATION.  THERE HAVE  BEEN TOO MANY DEATHS LATELY  AFTER LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS BEEN CALLED. IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED! WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF ONE OF YOUR LOVED ONES HAD A MEDICAL PROBLEM THAT MADE THEM GO BESERK? WOULD THAT JUSTIFY THE OFFICERS USE OF DEADLY FORCE? ARE YOU WILLING TO FACE THAT OR WOULDN'T YOU WANT THEM TO LEARN HOW TO BETTER HANDLE THE SITUATION?

tabbytummy would you PLEASE quit "screaming"

Bartley said:  "I think the high incidences of death from these devices isn't due to overzealous usage by the police but rather the drugs many of these criminals have poisoned their body with.  Any type of strain on an already weakened system will compromise it, including the strain of being arrested"

And I agree.  Well said, Bartley.

"Their goal wasn't for the guy to die.  The goal was to subdue him. ... "

And that they did,  Nancy.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I'm sure gald in btown Law enforcement respects 72 ( seventy -two ) year old grandmothers.

--virgil

  I don't know about you, but I wanna see the video tape of this tasing!  When do you think that will be released?

And, I wonder if that bloodied baby seal was handed out it this time - do you think ?

--virgil

"I'm sure gald btown Law enforcement respects 72 ( sevent -two ) year old grandmothers.

--virgil"

Virgil, you're a moron if you think that was local.  The title of the video you posted clearly says it was in Texas. 

Once again, all of you back seat driver's and Monday morning quarterbacks, if the suspect hadnt broken the law and if he would have complied, none of this would have happened.  The suspect dictated entirely how this ended. 

  Queen,

Hardly.

As to your second comment, all I can say in response is that this sorta of thing seems to happen alot in Btown, don't you think?

--virgil

Virgil, "Hardly" is not a response to the post that you are incorrecft.  Second, this sort of thing happens EVERYWHERE.  Just because it happens in btown does not mean it is more prevelant.  If crooks WHO USE DRUGS choose to fight with the police, the drugs and adrenalinie do things to thier bodies you and I cannot comprehend.  OK, so it's been twice in the last few MONTHS.  How does that show any sort of trend??? 

I am dismayed at some of the posts here.  I understand the fact people do not like peace officers.  This  is a fact of life.  Another fact is most of those people violate the law in some way or another on a daily basis.  I can understand this.  It is the American way of life.  The thing I have a problem understanding is this, when was the last time anyone of you on this board was involved in a physical fight with someone?  When was the last time anyone on this board was involved in a physical fight with someone high on meth, cocaine or PCP?  If your answer was, "I got into a fist fight in the 6th grade", or "Never."  Then you probably should take a step back, check yourself and close the top on your lap top.

There are people on this board expressing opinions or thoughts about a subject in which they have no expertise.  But I guess this is what the first amedment affords us.  The right to express an opinion or a thought about a subject in which we have no expertise in.  The problem with the first amendment is it also affords people the opportunity to show other people how much they really don't know.

Getting back to the topic, had this man not been breaking the law he would not be dead.  Had this man complied with the officers/deputies, he would would not be dead.  He is the one who made the decision to violate the law and then engage the officers.  He is the one who chose the outcome.  The amount of force used by the officers was determined by the amount of resistence the man was giving the officers/deputies.  If they were wrong, I am sure (yes, I believe interal affairs is capable of completing an investigation) it will be brought to light.  Until then why must you assume the officers/deputies are wrong?  Why can't the dead guy be wrong?

As far as not calling law enforcement in Kern County or Bakersfield on a loved one goes, you lead a blessed life!  I hope you never have to call either agency.  The one thing I do hope for is the day you do need to call upon law enforcement, for whatever reason, they are able to handle the problem that you could not handle yourself!

So has the coroner released the results of the autopsy?

Once again our dear red patchs kill an innocent crackhead. Let see if the Sheriff Donny Redpatchblood or the District Attorney special Ed Jaggels go on a witch hunt "We will get to the botton of this and hold the guilty parties responsible". Or all we will hear nothing. The red patch circle the wagons , no leaks to keep the public interest. The red patchs really perpetuate a double standard. Red = good, Blue = bad.

I drive a Toyota , my mechanic fixes Toyotas. If he fixes Jeeps that does not make him a better Toyota mechanic. See the logic. Red street ,Blue jail !!! both deal with people who sometimes are less then happly to see them. Both make life and death decisions. I would rather read/ see/ hear good guys win. If the good guy did something wrong lets look into the matter.

Cop bashers.  Next time you need one, call a security company, they'll send someone (a trained professional) right out.

This is the second one in three weeks.

I wanna see the video !

--virgil

*Sigh* I often wonder why I read these blogs, because I always walk away shaking my head at the incredible ingorance demonstrated by so many readers. I find it difficult to comprehend why so many people in our society are so eager to point the finger of blame at law enforcement for situations like these. First of all, have any of you ever attempted to take someone into custody (arrest) that doesn't want to be arrested? I think not.  This is not Hollywod, the suspect doesnt willfully put his/her hands behind the back awaiting the application of handcuffs. Add to the dynamics, that the suspect has NO rules, they can and will do whatever it takes to avoid the handcuffs.  Dont forget to factor in the suspects' other conditions, intoxication, under the influence, pure determination not to go back to jail/ prison, anger/ hate etc.  And one of the most significant factors to include is that the suspect has probably has pre-existing medical issues unknown to even them, due to a lifetime of not eating right, using drugs, drinking alcohol etc. The result of these combinations of factors is sometimes unfortunate, but I do not believe that Law Enforcement Officers set out to intentionally hurt anyone.

To accomplish an arrest with a violently resisting suspect is emotionally and physically challenging. Law enforcement officers are expected to control an 'out of control' situation. To do so without injury to someone is often unlikely and sometimes impossible. Unlike the 'code of ethics' for felons or convicts, Law Enforcement is bound by rules of conduct, ethics, procedure, training and law.

For those of you that think that cops are heavy handed and they are able to disarm a suspect by "shooting the gun out of their hand or shooting them in the leg" or taking a violent person into custody without the use of tasers, canines or more than one officer....I say its time for a reality check. Turn off your TV, go on a ride along with an agency, attend a Citizen Forum or better yet, put yourself thru an academy. After all, if we are doing it so wrong and you have better solutions, you owe it to your fellow citizens to shut up, stand up and demonstrate these magical skills.

"The woman told the deputy she was just assaulted by her husband, a 25 year-old adult male, who was armed with a baseball bat. The victim had minor injuries and declined medical aid" "A woman flagged down a deputy at East Belle Terrace and Union Avenue where she reported she was the victim of domestic violence, Senior Deputy Michael Whorf said.The incident happened at about 12:15 a.m. in the 900 block of Feliz Drive in southeast Bakersfield."

First of all I see nothing mentioned about the deceased acting like he was on drugs. Maybe the autospy will show he was, but for right now it says nothing about it. The woman had gotten away from her husband and called the police because she was scared. I really doubt she thought they would kill him if she did. We weren't there. Sometimes officers can be extremely violent when they try to take suspects in. Can you honestly say they don't? Yes officers have to put up with the most violent of human nature, but also they need to live by a code of honor. I understand that they have to put up with the most horrible people, but when they become those people  themselves, they need to be reigned in.

Also to the woman that was involved in this. I am so terribly sorry that you had to go through this. I don't know the details of your situation and I am sorry if my views have upset you. I just want to be sure that the BPD & the Sheriffs are being heavily monitored by all. If we the public don't watch them, then who will? Jagels? Sorry but I think he is the worst thing that Kern County has ever seen.

Hey queen3780 I finally quit screaming. So sorry about that. It was just easier for me to read. Didn't mean to hurt your ears.

Tabby

He was on drugs.  I know it may seem confusing because it wasn't in the article but he was under the influence of narcotics.  Just to let you know.  I personally didn't hear it from his mouth but I heard it from someone that does know and wasn't an officer. 

And again you keep saying that you wouldn't call the KCSD or BPD on your loved ones because they could die but you still haven't said what you would do instead.  Can you please elaborate on that?  I think if you know of some way to save people from being assaulted you have a responsibility to tell.  It is thinking like that that gets innocent people killed.  For example,  if Gina Serna had called the BPD when her boyfriend was beating on her or her kids previously then maybe her two year old son wouldn't be dead.  She had an obligation to protect her children and protected her boyfriend instead.  And I don't mean to sound horrible but I'd rather him be the dead one than the baby. 

Please dont take this as though I am just picking on you I dont mean it to come out that way.  I just dont understand how people just assume that the KCSD was wrong when they weren't there.  People keep saying that nobody knows what really happened because they weren't there.  Well that is true.  So then why does everyone blame the KCSD if they weren't there?  If they wanted to just kill the guy then they wouldn't have risked getting hurt themselves and they could have just shot him. 

I personally have witnessed,  a few times,  men on drugs when the police have been called out to protect the community from them.  One instance there was a man outside running around high on something.  It took 7 men to get him down to arrest him.  Not because they were incompetent but because the drugs he was on made him practically superhuman.  It was very scary.  I was in my teens and was lucky that they came when they did.  My friend,  not so lucky.  I wished they had tased him,  just walked right up to him and tased him,  because if they had maybe he wouldn't have hurt anyone. I remember them saying flat out that they didn't want to kill the guy.  I didn't care if they did because he was such a danger and unpredictable there was no telling what he was going to do.  That is the risk he took when he decided that he needed to get high and hurt someone.

About Jagels I completely agree.  I have no idea why he has been allowed to do the things he has done to our city and our people.  I can't understand why no one has stopped him.