My take on the Swooning Obamite vs. Objective Poster debate..................

A prediction: Hillary will win Pennsylvania; most of the other remaining primaries are in insignificant states like Oregon, Idaho, and West Virginia. There will be a ton of under-the-table, behind-the-back shenanigans at the convention, the superdelegates will flip-flop, Hillary will get the nomination, and World War III will erupt amongst Democrats. Blacks will call Hillary a "racist," and a "ho," and her husband Bill, the "first black president," will be excommunicated from the black race and relegated to the same level as Orval Faubus was in the 1950s.

 I pray you are prescient JB

I have a nagging suspicion though that, that may just be

"too good to even have the audacity to even hope for"!

 Chico: I'm not a Republican but McCain is the best qualified candidate to run for the party. A lot can happen between now and November, so my mind is subject to change. But enough of mundane unimportant prattle such as who's our next president.

Recall you gave me advice on chili beans? O.k., the wife and daughter are on vacation. I'm home alone. I slow cooked the pintos in the crockpot; added crushed red chili, finely chopped garlic, onions, and jalepano. I don't know if the hamburger is Angus, but it is 90% lean. Added spicey enchilada sauce instead of tomato sauce. Serve generous portions in a bowl, sprinkle with graded shredded sharp cheddar, top with hot Mexican salsa from the 99-cent store, yum down.

Got enough to last till next week. The weather is warm enough to open doors and windows to air out the house so the women won't know the difference. Unless the cat gives me away by wearing a gas mask.

 From what you have described, I would have that cat's olfactory nerves checked out! 

(were it to react in a manner sufficient to consider said gas mask)

It sounds great to me.....olfactory and otherwise!

(although you might have some conflicting spices in there (jalapenos, hiberno's? {dep on type of chili power} but they may be complimentary in practice!

My rule -- you can NEVER have too much garlic and all the rest sounds just perfect!

Wish I had some!

 What is McCain policy on the economy, what is he going to do for the middle class? What are his plans for health care, education, the national debt, the sinking value of th dollar, rebuilding our military and defense? How is he planning in uniting all Americans who have been split and divided w/ the current Admin.

Very thoughtful, but I'm just one of the have-not kool-aid imbibers.

I still have no idea why Barack Obama, or liberalism, terrifies such a large chunk of the population. Is having universal health care such a bad thing? If a person works forty hours a week  don't they deserve to earn a wage that can sustain them above the poverty line?

Do you and your friends truly believe only cartels and duopolies should be the benefit of government subsidies and should dominate all industrial sectors? There are so many financial scandals from huge corporate players these days that the term ethics when applied to business is an oxymoron.

From a historical perspective, I am a big fan of many Republican policies administered under Theodore Roosevelt. What happened to that Republican Party? It's hard to get a group together to find common interest when your stated goal is to annihilate all competition, and the word share is only defined as stock ownership in the Republican dictionary.

 As you moved your comment from there to here,I thought I'd follow...........A small difference I have noticed,some sure like to think the other "side" as evil at worst,buffoons at best. I believe we are all Americans and truly want whats best for this country ,we do not agree on how to get there.

Adam, a large chunk of the population has gotten used to living terrified over the past eight years.  They're terrified of not being terrified.

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The Republicans are pushing that because they'd much rather run against Clinton.  Even if she wins, it'll be a plus for their side, as she'd win by fracturing the Democratic party.   (Not that fracture isn't our normal state...)  Obama would win by unifying us.

 Sf, the answer to all of the above questions is:  same as Bush.

 That is what I thought, but wanted to hear what the Pro-right camp for McCain is thinking about him and why? I really havent hear much of McCains policies regarding what he is going to do for US citizens and the economy.

An aside: slow cook the beans? for how long ? Does that help with the inevitable results of bean consumption? Or render them more tender?

Very thoughtful, but I'm just one of the have-not kool-aid imbibers.

I seriously doubt that.

I still have no idea why Barack Obama, or liberalism, terrifies such a large chunk of the population. Is having universal health care such a bad thing? If a person works forty hours a week  don't they deserve to earn a wage that can sustain them above the poverty line?

Govt controlled Health care is scary to me. I've lived under it. If you work 40 hours per week you will be above the poverty ine unless you haen't the marketable skills valued sufficently by said market to provide same. If your wage doesn't afford your being able to live above the poverty line, go into a different field. I did.

Do you and your friends truly believe only cartels and duopolies should be the benefit of government subsidies and should dominate all industrial sectors? There are so many financial scandals from huge corporate players these days that the term ethics when applied to business is an oxymoron.

How would you change this? Are not large corporations really owned by shareholders (inviduals, pension funds, institutional investors, etc. owned in a similar manner)? Would you have them "owned"  by Govt? Won't that ultimately render a similar(I would say worse)  result? Be honest now.....

From a historical perspective, I am a big fan of many Republican policies administered under Theodore Roosevelt. What happened to that Republican Party? It's hard to get a group together to find common interest when your stated goal is to annihilate all competition, and the word share is only defined as stock ownership in the Republican dictionary.

 Love Teddy R myself. Have his "In the Arena" on my wall. Am I proposing annihiliating competition any more than the Dems? Again, be honest............

If a person works forty hours a week don't they deserve to earn a wage that can sustain them above the poverty line?

Sure, if they have the skills to earn that wage. Even though I'm a complete and total a**hole on this blog, I'm actually very good with people, which is why I make a decent living as a salesman. Those whose only commercial talents are mopping a floor or changing sheets and trashcan liners aren't going to live above the poverty line.

One of the reasons that liberalism "terrifies" so many people, Adam, is that liberals advocate putting a government social program in the place of one's fundamental responsibilty to themselves and to their families. Liberals support racial and gender preferences, multi-lingual education throughout K-12, and many liberals blame the United States government for the world's problems, yet when the going gets tough, expect said government to make it all better.

 They blame Govt for our ills JB, yet that is their ultimate solution!

Go figure............

(of course it has to be their people in charge -- that's what this is really all about anyway -- they just won't admit it.....)

 (of course it has to be their people in charge -- that's what this is really all about anyway -- they just won't admit it.....)

And when their people - see Pelosi & Co. - don't make the changes they so earnestly promised, it's because the Republicans fouled it up so badly that it can't be repaired. Same old song and dance, same old lack of results.

Chico, we don't blame government for our ills.  We blame *REPUBLICAN-RUN*  government.  That's why we insist on doing it.  "If you want something done right..."

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I have nothing against *COMPETENT* leaders. 

So...... If you want a real bureaucracy, get a  "professional"  bureaucrat right?

(kinda like if you want a dictatorship get a  "professional" ..............)

Random, what about when Madeline Albright was shouted down by liberal protesters over Clinton's proposed bombing of Iraq? Clinton, Albright, et al, were labeled "mass murderers" and "terrorist conspirators" for the U.S./UN sanctions against Iraq.

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/98... 

http://www.zpub.com/un/war-... 

"Thank God, we sent George Mitchell and not Madeleine [Albright] to Ireland. We'd be bombing them this morning" -- Senator Ernest Hollings, on brokering peace in Northern Ireland

"It’s a hard choice, but I think, we, think, it’s worth it." --Albright’s response to a May 11, 1996 60 Minutes question about the over half a million children killed by the Iraqi sanctions.

Ah, those days of wine and roses, when liberals all stood together as one...

 What about it?  We have had free speech in this country. 

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No, Chico, it's like, "if you want a surgeon, get a real surgeon."  "If you want a plumber, get a real plumber."  "If you want a monumental f-up, get a Republican president."

 Best perspective I've read in a long time.  I am surrounded daily by liberal friends[left of Gandhi] and they are mostly retired living on the central coast doing whatever they want everyday of the week  They have newer cars nice homes, either insured medial, medicare or the VA { God bless them}. They are my age and didn't  work at a government entity so are not entitled to the amazingly cushy retirement received at the tax payers cost [I am truly thankful]  but they are very comfortable.  Yet not a day goes by that each of them cry about how bad the economy is for them and everyone else.  I have pointed out their lot in life and how the campgrounds are full of very expensive RVs every weekend. The gas stations have lines of new cars lined up to buy nearly $4.00 gasoline and almost no one is skinny.  There are couple of homeless people hanging around but with the unemployment rate at near 5% I  believe their lot is self induced.  Their glass is always less than half full.  The few conservative friends I have say the same thing, our liberal friends suffer from some sort of depression, perpetually bad news driven and will avoid good news.  I am one pretty happy guy around a den of woe is me. 

What about it?  We have had free speech in this country.  

Yes, and liberals used that free speech to castigate the liberal Democrat-run government. You don't just blame "Republican-run" U.S. governments, you blame any U.S. government. You're pathological blamers.

 Best perspective I've read in a long time. 

As are your real life real time observations Anglo. Thank you....Unfortunately, the blinded, shuttered in mentality of the Dem Libs is either driven by the aforementioned hubris or their lust for power.

Especially power over those they think have it  "better" than they........

Yet not a day goes by that each of them cry about how bad the economy is for them and everyone else. I have pointed out their lot in life and how the campgrounds are full of very expensive RVs every weekend. 

It's a pathology. If you handed them a million dollars, they'd bitch that they had to pay taxes on it...

 Sage..for convenience only.  It has no effects on the eventual side effects of bean consumption.  And while everyone is henny-pennying the lack of food in our future, remember beans supply a great deal of protein and are filling.  Some caution is needed until the body adjusts to the fiber.

 I just heard on radio Obama's castigation (utterly) of Don Imus (he would have summarily dismissed him).

In his world, the only people who could poke fun at others (even that which is not as caustic as Imus' which I didn't care for, FTR) would be those in politically correct  "accepted" classes (read  "minorities")

 Red beans and rice, Nancy

Cajun vegetarian's delight

complete proteins

and tasty too

just need the meat once in a while for the phosphorous, etc. tastes good too  ;=)

Try me, JBS.  I promise not to bitch about the taxes. 

My expensive RV is a 1975 VW camper.  And most of the middle class ain't got *THAT* much anymore.  They've lost ground since Shrub took over.

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See, the thing is, we know Democratic government isn't perfect.  But it's one hell of a lot better than what we've seen the past eight years, and the past eight years will make Obama look like a genius over the next four. 

 One of my great aunts mother [OK. Creek }used to tell me to eat red beans, rice and greens every day if I wanted to live to a long healthy life.  She was in her 90s and still mowing her own lawn.  Also said brush my teeth with salt and baking soda.

I gotta challenge the "liberals is depressed " deal....folks,by all accounts I should be one unhappy camper . Sorry to blow it for you all,but I am not. I can not be the only one and I have always said "all .....(enter word describing any group) " is a sure way to make a stupid statement.Some of my best friends are Republicans.

Thanks Nancy~ after all this time,I hoped I wasn't missing out on any bean lore...

 I have wanted a VW camper for years.  Does it have the pop up?  Off topic, sorry.  Just too curious.

Well mine has the roll back canvas top,and is from 1968 ,split window,walk through, a Kombi technically,but whose bragging?

JBS & Chico, the world has changed dramatically in the workplace over the past forty years. The movement to centralize purchasing, marketing and every creative operations aspect in the work-world has left an economy driven by drones serving precious few queens at the biggest corporate and governmental department hives. 

Schools don't offer much in the way of creative courses today. Art, theater, dance, vocational and music classes are the first to go when the cuts come down. It should come as no surprise to see school dropout rates soar in an environment of rote learning for endless bubble-boxed examinations of dreary facts or problems. The entire concept of critical thinking, which needs to take into account multiple points of view, has been relegated to the scrap heap. Is it any wonder why people have trouble acknowledging differing points of view?

All of the education cuts and reduced use of the right side of the brain for creative thinking in our schools have prepared the student for the preponderance of work at drudgery assembly lines in restaurants, retail, service, agriculture and manufacturing. Technical fields, which used to offer a modicum of creative ability to thrive, have been reclassified in most industries where task-reduced parameters to more easily train and replace the employee now dominate the landscapes and provide less mental and economic opportunity for all.

We have emerged in this decade with a preponderance of really repetitive and low paying occupations to satisfy a growing work force and reduce opportunity. How does a nation who designs drones for the workplace have a chance for tomorrow when these same drones cannot think reasonably about many important issues of today? We now have a management class of losers who can't recognize a box much less think outside it.

I won't bore either one of you with statistics from studies that show opportunity being greatly reduced these last few decades in America or about the shift of wealth to the smallest percentage ever seen in this country's history. I'm sure both of you have others that can show people continue to climb and fall at about the same pace as usual. I will say that the mood of optimism is quickly fading from the American landscape. This is reinforced by the vast numbers of young people coming to terms with a reality that does not fit their video game world of dominance, excitement  and reward. Jobs are scarce and pay is low while food and living expenses are very high. 

I believe one party offers the same sad and brutal scenario the American worker and small entrepreneur has been forced to reckon this decade. No shot and no way out. I believe the other party is flawed, but at least offers the best chance to change course and get the country moving forward with a sense of real cooperative purpose and optimism. Time to turn off the war channel and turn out something useful and productive for our country. Bunker busting bombs need not apply.     

Anyway, thanks always for both of your commentaries, and for the post.

Three major problems I had with BO’s speech::

(swooning, fainting, overwhelmed with warm and fuzzies, all-accepting Libs aside)

1)  The comparison of Jeremiah Wright with your local preachers of choice ::

“Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely – just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.”

I don’t think many of us have experienced anything like the remonstrations of the Reverend Wright from our pastors, priests, or rabbis. This is the “too clever by half” technique utilized by many to justify the absolute despicable behavior and words of those they support. If we had, not only would we have walked out but enough others to render their respective congregations moot. This is disingenuous on its face, however delivered in such a way as to appear minimally offensive.

2) His politicizing of the race issue, throwing those in his own party under the proverbial “gramma bus” ::

“just as some have dismissed Geraldine Ferraro, in the aftermath of her recent statements, as harboring some deep-seated racial bias.  

We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she’s playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies.”

I thought it delicious poetic irony at first when the Clinton’s threw Ms. Ferraro under the bus, but when Obama did it in this speech meant to be uniting not dividing, I couldn’t help but realize the out and out hypocrisy evidenced. Ferraro didn’t deserve it from HRC, but she deserved it not from the supposed party uniter as well. It reminded me of someone who would pile on someone who is already down, only for their political ends. To me, if for no other reason, he became just another opportunistic politician. It is especially troubling in that he is supposed to be (touts himself to be) “better than that”.

3) Just as he did Ms. Ferraro, BO opportunistically utilized his grandmother.

“I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.”

This ground has been sufficiently covered by others but it is telling nonetheless. This wasn’t just an odd acquaintance or even a friend – it was the woman who he admits gave him unconditional love and raised him. Now, to all the world she is a racist. That, to me is the lowest of levels to which he sank in the speech that was so uplifting to the unthinking non-analytical swooners in his camp. I hope they wouldn’t do that to their respective grandmothers but I guess by tacit affirmation I can only presume they would…..

My what political expediency will do to a feller………….

 I believe one party offers the same sad and brutal scenario the American worker and small entrepreneur has been forced to reckon this decade. No shot and no way out. I believe the other party is flawed, but at least offers the best chance to change course and get the country moving forward with a sense of real cooperative purpose and optimism. Time to turn off the war channel and turn out something useful and productive for our country. Bunker busting bombs need not apply ~Adam

I still maintain you (I would include TomW in this group too) are one of the few spokesmen for  "your side" that not only really believe (without ulterior motives) in your message (and for the right reasons) I also don't believe you occupy that kool-aide drinking group I mentioned. But if you insist I will take your word for it.

I just think you are vastly misguided even naive in your choice of the way to make manifest your heartfelt wishes for a more egalitarian society. I think you will be vastly disappointed but then you are now anyway and I understand that. Life is compromise, as I tell my conservative cohorts who don't like McCain and want to just  "sit this one out"!

We will, as they say, agree to disagree, but in a civil manner. I too appreciate your thoughtful, eruditely expressed sentiments.

 Honest to God.  If I was a Liberal right now or bought into the Liberal mindset I think I'd go slash my wrists.  I have never seen such doom and gloom with little hope for the future come out of anyone fingers. 

I am better off than I was 8 years ago.  I have more to look forward to. ALL of my family is better off than 8 years ago.  Gas prices are higher but we're ALL making more money than before.  My grandkids were just able to buy a new home at a reasonable price with a decent interest rate.  My granddaughters husband is in the military to ensure YOU have the right to bitch and complain about everything.  And he CHOSE that life.  In my family we all work for the betterment of society, we don't just talk and complain about it.

There are times I have to just go watch re-runs on TV because of all the bitterness and depression here.  This is one of those times.

It's  simply amazing.

 Oh, and no, I don't just go bury my head.  And I lock step with no one.

See, the thing is, we know Democratic government isn't perfect. 

You try to pretend that it is. You wistfully reminisce about Bill Clinton's tenure, when everyone loved one another, gas was fifty cents a gallon, sh*t didn't stink, homelessness didn't exist, and HIV/AIDS was completely eradicated.

But it's one hell of a lot better than what we've seen the past eight years, and the past eight years will make Obama look like a genius over the next four.

Just a few months ago you were talking about "Hillary's administration." You're like a rudderless boat.

Obama wouldn't get elected - people think the same way they did fifty years ago, they just don't say it - but let's say for the sake of discussion that he did. How long do you think it'd be before his brains were decorating the side of a stucco wall somewhere?

Nancy, the thing about liberals is, we have to have a sense of humor about things--look at who the country's been led by for 20 years--and that will see us through the inevitable crash.

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Sean Insanity apparently said something about conservatives committing suicide if a Democrat won this election.  That would greatly simplify our fund-raising...but I don't believe him.  McBush offered to kill himself if the Democrats retook Congress in 2004, and it turns out he only meant political suicide.

JBS, I have never pretended otherwise.  You're grasping at straw men again.

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*ANYONE* but McBush is going to look like a genius over the next four years by comparison.  (McBush said he intends to stay stupid, and by god he's managed it.)   And yes, compared to Shrub, Clinton was a god despite his clay feet.  As I've repeated before, Bill Clinton was the best Republican president in decades. 

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But compared to Shrub, even *I* would be a great President.  Tell ya what, it would be a helluva first term.

I think that's true of both parties RF ~ and Americans in general...we keep on ticking

Hannity brings up God and Jesus too much. If I want to hear that crap, I'll tune in to someone on Sunday morning who's a lot better at it than he is.

Hannity's playing to the rubes, JBS.  He doesn't believe any of that crap.

 Sean was a lot better when he used to fill  in for Limbaugh.

I can remember listening to him and had a mental picture of what he would look like.

I was very wrong! I had him with dark hair but skinny with a bigger nose, etc. I had him not so good looking but ............

He has disappointed me of late. In various ways.

He was so obvious about his ABC (anybody but clinton) paradigm that a new viewer would have thought him an Obamite. Now, with the Rev Wright resurgence, he is on that like dots on dice. Talk about moistened index finger to the wind.......

Still, in comparison to a Kieth Olbermann (simplistic sophomoric humor), he seems like a George Will or WFB (RIP) even!

NancyII, a little cranky today? I'm really glad to read you and yours are doing so well. I'm not sure what ramped you up but no liberal I know, myself included, is thinking about slashing any wrists. We are busy working to replace the current Administration with a President that offers a substantial departure from the current one.

You must think nothing of having the arts in education slashed, and $4.5 billion dollars of voter approved funding for schools cut by our governor. I won't let anymore facts get in the way of your lifestyle opinions. Facts afterall are so bothersome and annoying. You know, like no WMD in a nation that had nothing to do with 9/11that has no chance at building a democracy in a region that despises our presence. And we're fighting for exactly what? I won't bother to remind you about the trillion dollar surplus our fearless and clueless leader inherited as President in 2001, which he has squandered on absolutely nothing but his family buddies for seven years.

I'll let you get back to those re-runs now.

....and another thing about the Obama speech and surrounding swoon fest:

 Obama says he thinks OJ was guilty, but he understands the celebration in the black community. The idea being that it is OK to let a double murderer go free because some other black people have faced injustice in the criminal justice system. That this represents some kind of collective punishment message more important than what OJ did as an individual person to other people and their families!

Thisis very troubling to me.

 It is early sure but...............

McCain leads 46 percent to 40 percent in a hypothetical matchup against Obama in the November presidential election, according to the poll.

That is a sharp turnaround from the Reuters/Zogby poll from last month, which showed in a head-to-head matchup that Obama would beat McCain 47 percent to 40 percent.

"The last couple of weeks have taken a toll on Obama and in a general election match-up, on both Democrats," said pollster John Zogby.

Matched up against Clinton, McCain leads 48 percent to 40 percent, narrower than his 50 to 38 percent advantage over her in February

"1968 ,split window,walk through, a Kombi technically,but whose bragging?"

Sage,

You might want to check the year of your VW Bus.  Volkswagon stopped making split front window buses in 1967.  If your Bus is a split front window it is acually worth a pretty penny even if it is not in good shape.  Here is a great VW link in case you havn't heard of it.   thesamba.com. 

 Sage has a Veedub "hippy"  bus?

Who woulda figured?

thetruthhurts~ duh~ your right it's a '67 ,one of ten that were in town last time I checked.Old age,I owned around 3 buses,a Karmin gia and a VW...things get all muddled up.