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Hardliner4freedom - > Starship Sigma +5 -> Why Bush must be removed from office, by any lawful means.
Why Bush must be removed from office, by any lawful means.

As soon as possible.
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Recently, a new blogger asked me why I want to see the Bush presidency terminated by any lawful means.  As I pointed out at that time, none of my reasons are connected to the Iraq war.
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He must be removed because he, his adminstration, and the Republican leadership whose agenda his office empowers him to rubber-stamp, are waging an all-out, all fronts war on the Constitution of the United States and the rights and freedoms that it guarantees.  
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And his administration and political advisors have shown their perfect willingness to divide America to do it.  In grossly un-American fashion, these people have no qualms whatsoever about turning Americans at one another's throats -- perhaps even pushing America to the brink of civil war, if not straight into it -- to strengthen their power and achieve these goals.
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And Bush and his administration have been waging this war not since Iraq, not since 9/11, but from the very first day he took office.
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Why?  Because that is exactly what roughly one third of his constituency sent him there to do.  And he is keeping his faith to that one third of his constitutency, or about 13 percent of the voting-age populace.  He is not our President.  He is the President of about 13 percent of America -- and he will cater to them before anyone else.
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The first front of this war has received almost zero publicity from the (nonexistent) "liberal media."  Only the political fire fights that it has created have been reported: the media's constant depiction of Senate Democrats as "obstructionists" to Bush's nominees to the federal courts.
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The Bush Administration, and that one third of Republicans who sent him to Washington to destroy our Constitutional freedoms, want to see him appoint judges like Antonin Scalia and Robert Bork to the federal courts.  They want Bush to use these men as role models because their contempt for our Constitutional rights is total:  Depending on the context and on the person, the views they want sent to the federal bench range from recognizing almost no Constitutional rights, to recognizing no Constitutional rights at all.
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And Bush has done his treasonous best to fulfill this mission, appointing corrupt, Constitutionally blind judges who will look the other way when the most basic of human rights are being stomped on.  And when Senate Democrats succeeded in blocking his most dangerous nominees, he has tried every trick in the book to appoint them anyway, whether through recess appointments or by just renominating and renominating the same candidates.  This is deliberate.
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Antonin Scalia has written, in the legally significant body of Supreme Court rulings, that:
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*  The federal courts should have no power at all to overturn unconstitutional laws (Chicago v. Morales, 1999)
*  The First Amendment does not apply if a lawmaking body feels that something is "immoral" (Erie v. Pap's A.M., 2000)
*  The Constitution does not apply if a community deems something immoral (Lawrence v. Texas, 2003)
*  Violating Constitutional rights is perfectly acceptable if it has been traditionally done in the past (i.e. "we have always done it this way")  (Lawrence, and others)
*  Literally nullified any meaningful protection in the "free exercise of religion" clause in the First Amendment (Oregon Employment Division v. Smith, 1990) -- a ruling that led to passage of the 1993 Religious Freedom Restoration Act -- which was itself struck down mainly by the right wing of the Supreme Court.
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Robert Bork and/or others in the far right judicial mold, have opined that:
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*  State governments should be free of ignore the Bill of Rights
*  Local majorities should enjoy virtually unlimited lawmaking power, regardless of one's human rights
*  The definition of "freedom" itself is not freedom to choose your life and pursue happiness, but the "freedom" of elected governments to exert power over others.
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The second front in this war on the Constitution is to cripple the courts' ability to protect our Constitutional rights.
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Far right groups have directly advocated stripping the federal courts of their power to uphold the Bill of Rights against state and local governments.  The Conservative Caucus, whose views are well represented among Bush's advisors and in the GOP leadership, asks in a candidate questionnaire:
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"20. As a member of Congress, would you vote to terminate the jurisdiction of the Federal judiciary with respect to appeals relating to alleged violations of the Bill of Rights by state and local government? "
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You can't get any plainer than that.
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Toward this end, the far right wing in Congress has worked diligently.  In the infuriatingly falsely titled "Constitution Restoration Act," the right wing of Congress attempted to strip the courts of any power to hear cases that would impinge upon the "Federal, State, or local government, or against an officer or agent of Federal, State, or local government (whether or not acting in official or personal capacity), concerning that entity's, officer's, or agent's acknowledgment of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government."
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You can't get any plainer than that.  They tried to strip the courts of their power to prevent an illegal theocracy in the United States.  This is a direct attempt to remove our access to the redress of grievances, a right guaranteed by the First Amendment.
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And on September 19, 2006, the House of Representatives passed H.R. 2679 which, according to the Washington Post, provides that "attorneys who successfully challenge government actions as violating the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment shall not be entitled to recover attorneys fees. The bill has only one purpose: to prevent suits challenging unconstitutional government actions advancing religion."
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All Americans, not just liberals or libertarians, should be rioting in the streets about this!  And when liberals spend 95 percent of their effort fretting about the Iraq war, or oil, or the Florida and Ohio vote counts of 2000, they are missing the single gigantic issue that could drive this administration out of power overnight!  Wake up and smell the burning flesh of witches, liberals!!!
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This war on our Constitution is no accident.  Our "Republican" leaders, including our President, who have sworn to uphold our Constitution, are instead mounting a sustained, unrelenting campaign to destroy that same document.  By anyone's definition, this is treason -- not just by the current administration, but by the bigger part of an entire political party's leadership.
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This is an impeachable offense.

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posted by Hardliner4freedom on Sunday, October 1, 2006 at 12:09 PM
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posted by randomfactor on Oct 2, 2006 at 08:33 AM
I also like Florez, but I think Ki6 is picking one of his less-stellar moments here.
posted by tkozy on Oct 1, 2006 at 10:31 AM

Very valid points. But there is a reality I think you are just glossing over..

The things of which you speak. Will over time. Kill our freedoms.

They will harm religion. By anointing the chosen. Sponsoring Jesus Camps as though they are faith based charity.. Arming the anointed religions with tax dollars.

They will destroy truth. Sending it to the wasteland. In the name of patriotism..

They will cull from society the idea of fairness. Labeling it.. Unnecessary..

Then Freedom..

With out notice. Just a gradual change. Just like the blue fades from a pair of old Levi’s. Is without fanfare..

Redefined:

Extremely subjective, relativistic, ephemeral.

I suppose you do not mean to avoid the talk of Iraq and the death. Only highlight other travesties.

But please pray with me tonight. For the, 'Mothers Children', who will die in Iraq. Tomorrow..

posted by Hardliner4freedom on Oct 1, 2006 at 10:50 AM

Not only will I pray for the mothers and children who will die, but I will pray for the fathers and bachelors and maidens, too.
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Thanks for your observations.  Nicely written.


posted by dusty1215 on Oct 1, 2006 at 12:31 PM
That Scalia said the court shouldn't rule on issues that involve morals..is ridiculous and I can't believe he said it. The court deals with the rule of law..not the morality of the the law. The judicial system is supposed to blind to morality, dealing only with the legal aspect of any isssue..what a moron..has he authored a decision yet, or still chiming in on them?

My biggest bitch is about the erasing of our rights as put forth in the Constitution. I figured the general public would rise up against the war once it was realized that our current administration has no plan, and the only thing they seem to be good at is attacking the left side of the aisle who aren't afraid to offer their POV on what needs to be done and why.
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Oct 1, 2006 at 12:36 PM
I cited cases where Scalia has ruled that way.  Fortunately, in most cases, his was either 1) the losing side, or 2) not the majority opinion in cases where his side has won.  Unfortunately, in the 1990 religious freedom case, Scalia's opinion was the official court holding.
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I cite the cases in my article.
posted by tkozy on Oct 1, 2006 at 12:42 PM

Dusty


Bush is opposed by a huge majority of American’s..

Barring a draft.. I don’t know that you can get them out to vote though..

Voting is a chore, until you can’t..

You don’t miss Freedom until it’s gone..

posted by allRED on Oct 1, 2006 at 01:29 PM
Hardliner: I dont believe the ACLU has such a hardline as you, are you the new ACLU? Times when we post, I believe there's hope for you, but I see now something or somone has come between us, hehe, Our constitution was being destroyed before Bush. What you are seeing now, Republicans trying to restore what Liberalism started Abortion, their removing God from all public settings including schools. Liberalism is losing in the Media and Voting and now injecting liberal Judges to win their false and twisted beliefs. Gays have been pushed and pushed upon us, a twisted life trying to imitate true marriage. You say our courts are being crippled by Bush, but the true facts are, Liberalism tried to break the legs of America and Bush is putting on the casting to restore your twisted courts. True Justices has been off course for 30/ 40 years and most believe Clinton and His false use of (is) is a truth. I dont like using----------------------thinking, I dont like usings words like BJ, we all know alot of Prezzzzzzzzzzzz had trouble with sex, but this man was so open about it, he had too say (is).


Ron.
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Oct 1, 2006 at 01:34 PM
AllRED, I wish I were the new ACLU.  ;-)
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Don't worry.  The next time Pox Christi shows up, we'll be on the same side again.
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Oct 1, 2006 at 01:38 PM
AllRED, if you really think about it, you should be on my side.
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You're a Pentecostal, right?  Surely you're aware that Pentecostals are regarded by certain other branches of Christianity to be aberrant at best; at worst, heretics.
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Would you, as a Pentecostal, really feel safe in a nation where the government could officially declare religious "truths," force you to follow them, or punish you if you didn't?
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If you get this kind of government, my friend, Pentecostals are high on the list to be persecuted.  Trust me.
posted by allRED on Oct 1, 2006 at 02:00 PM
Yes Hardliner we realize persecution is coming, thats why we are trying to teach you and others now so you can miss it. It will not come from the goverment but the catholic church. I dont believe I'll be here when people take the mark of the beast and then find out they cant die, they call on the mountians, the rocks, anything, so they can die. BUT! When hope has left even perverted hope and realization of the TRUE TRUTH, yes they want to die under the rock of death, hide their sins from men, but death will not come for them till months and months of being exposed to the world and their family. Gee the real you is open to the world and you cant hide.

Ron.
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Oct 1, 2006 at 02:17 PM
See, I really am trying to protect your rights and freedoms as a Pentecostal Christian.  The problem is that you're seeing my side in light of gays, abortion, or the lack of prayer in public schools -- and you seem to be forgetting the many ways that my political stance protects you.
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If you keep the church a million miles from the state, then you can be assured that you will continue to be free to tell me, and everyone else, the truth.  But if you support politics that eliminate the separation of church and state, then false religions can take over the State and use the State to preach falsehood and suppress the truth.
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But with my philosophy, you will always be free to preach the truth.
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I held the exact same political philosophy when I was a Christian -- because I was a Christian.  I know, as did the Founding Fathers, what tends to happen when man sets himself up as the substitute for God.  And that's what people who try to mix God and government, do: put themselves on God's throne.
posted by tkozy on Oct 1, 2006 at 02:31 PM

During the assault, conservatives are master designers. They perform campaign wonders. But in the end. They show their colors. A mish mash of ideals and beliefs. Totally exclusive of the other.. Selfishness is the rule..

Liberals, of different opinions. But inclusive as a whole.

There are those extremist that make headlines. No different than any other time in history.

But:

Take the abortion issue.. Liberal democrats are all over the place with their personal beliefs on abortion. But as a group. They have chosen not to make abortion the issue. It is to them a matter of individual rights, personal choice.

The same can not be said of the conservative republican. It is abortion that is the issue. Not personal choice. The group determines the individual's morals. Yet, it is individual rights, local government that is the issue for a huge portion of the conservative base.

If nominate , Rudy Gulianni may have a good shot at President or V.P. . But his stand for personal choice all but eliminates his chance of nomination..


Do you suppose Falawell will endorse the Mormon GOVERNOR ROMNEY. Not going to happen..

Again, Once the campaign begins. They will stand united. Then go their own way after the election..

Nixon, Reagan, Bush Jr. Always happens..

They tear their own party apart. Because they never had a unified position on any issue. Including individual rights..

Everyone of them have a different religion. Even the agnostics..

posted by allRED on Oct 1, 2006 at 02:39 PM
Hardliner>Your stance can never protect me, Time, Time is set Hardlinner, Nobody knows but God when time will cease for us, What we are living though now is part of God's time for us, all this has been seen before, this world is controled by God believe it or not, you dont really think satan will win, or is in control, I've said before to you, God doesnt lose, even with your thought man can substitute God for goverment.


Ron.
posted by allRED on Oct 1, 2006 at 03:05 PM
tkozy: Individual rights? Yes you have rights, but, individual? As a individual do you have the right to say in a theater, FIRE? 
As a Individual do you have the right to say there is not God? Of course you do, but, if you are God, I wonder what you will say when you stand before Him? But yes you have that right, that free will, that free choice. Yes you have rights in the law and in Gods law, But dont break Gods law with your rights.
posted by tkozy on Oct 1, 2006 at 03:23 PM

Let’s both agree that I am speaking as one who believes in GOD. Let’s both agree that I have the individual right to determine which religion if any, is righteous. Whether I am right or wrong in my thinking.

Your speaking to shouting, ‘fire’. Has no meaning in the discussion of individual rights.. It has very little to do with the right to free speech.. Except that they both pass breath over the lips..

It is the purpose for which you shout, not the right to shout, that is important. Does there have to be a fire for it to be legal to shout fire. Of course not. Just an emergency..

GOD’s will. Is that we have free will. And that we not be judgmental..

posted by tkozy on Oct 1, 2006 at 07:36 PM

Let me see if I understand your argument.

Anything left of the TOP, where your morality resides. Is, ’Atheist clown libs who go ape-crap’.

Laws that you don’t agree with, are passed by a activist congress.

Lawyers that prosecute you, are activist prosecutors.

Judges that rule against you, are activist Judges.

Prayer rugs are out. Unless they are accompanied by a St Johns version of the Bible..

Mocus1, I don’t mean to offend. But your religion doesn’t inspire me with hope..

posted by Hardliner4freedom on Oct 1, 2006 at 07:57 PM
Mocus is not to be taken seriously.  Most people figure that out sooner or later.  :-)
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It's fun to yank his chain once in a while, but if you're expecting a rational discussion, you'll never get one.
posted by tkozy on Oct 1, 2006 at 08:48 PM
General BullMoose ???

Don't do anything crooked.  Unless it's legal..  ;)
posted by ki6amd on Oct 2, 2006 at 03:55 AM
Blog Police,
    I've given up trying to respond, I've replied 3 times each time it has not posted (website issues). I'll just say get rid of the yes men in congress (that doesn't mean all republicans). I mean quit voting for partisan politians. The president doesn't act alone, it's congress and senate that pass his bills.
   Example of non partisan politians: California state senator Dean Florez

    See Senator Florez's history recently when he was the only democrat to vote against a bill that would force sexual prefence into history books when it is irrelevent. Everyone was divided on party lines except him. I admire a man who has common sense and still wants to be involved in politics. (Was that an Oxymoron?)
posted by randomfactor on Oct 2, 2006 at 07:49 AM
Ki6amd, did you actually read the legislation?  If it's the one I think you're talking about, it *PREVENTS* people from forcing opinions about sexual preference into history books.
posted by randomfactor on Oct 2, 2006 at 08:08 AM
Mucus ends his latest rant with a rare bit of self-criticism.  Guess there's hope for him yet. :)
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Oct 2, 2006 at 08:21 AM

I do like Dean Florez.  He has also voted against some really dumb gun bills.

posted by Hardliner4freedom on Oct 2, 2006 at 08:49 AM

Very true, Random.
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KI6AMD, I think the bill you have in mind is SB 1437.  Read it here:
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/p...
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Random is correct to point out that it prevents people from forcing opinions about sexual preference into history textbooks.

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The unreported fact is that religion was also added to this bill's list of protections.

posted by ki6amd on Oct 2, 2006 at 12:29 PM
Random, let me say again, "I've given up trying to respond, I've replied 3 times each time it has not posted (website issues)." After having spent 2 hours trying to get across what I was saying I gave up, not any fault of anyone here, but I think I've figured out why the Californian has been looking for a new IT team. (Besides, you know I like to write long responses so you can image why Igave up.)
    As for the issue at hand... SB 1437, I stand firmly on my earlier statement, "...force sexual prefence into history books when it is irrelevent." What you fail to understand is that the word "adversely" shouldn't be in the document at all. You may fight me on this issue, but this is similar to the whole affirmative action arguement. I would explain further but I'm in a hurry.
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