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Big-Government "Conservatism": The Pubic Police and what the GOP is becoming
The Supreme Court has declined to hear a challenge to a Texas law making it a crime to promote sex toys shaped like sex organs, according to this Dallas Morning News story.
. In more and more districts, when you vote Republican, you're voting for this. (In our own Senate, indeed: if you vote for Dick Mountjoy rather than for Dianne Feinstein, you are voting for exactly this. Be forewarned.) . It's stupid enough that a fair number of Republicans think it's a government interest to criminalize things related to sex toys. But let's look at the whole picture and think this through: . The second paragraph of the story reports, "An adult bookstore employee in El Paso, Texas, sued the state after his arrest for showing two undercover officers a device shaped like a penis and telling the female officer the device would arouse and gratify her. " . This means that Texas law enforcement considers it a wise use of taxpayer money to pay undercover officers to "sting" people who sell sex toys. This is conservative? . Five other states have enacted such laws, challenged in court with mixed results -- depending on the state. This means that Colorado, Kansas, Louisiana, Georgia, and Mississippi likewise think it's a good use of our tax dollars to police -- and entrap -- people who sell sex toys. . Had the Supreme Court decided to hear the case, the state of Texas would have continued their defense of the law, squandering still more taxpayer dollars to defend an idiotic law in the halls of the Supreme Court. . This is conservative? . You must be kidding. When I was a kid, conservative meant reducing government spending and less state intrusion into our lives. . The conservative response should have been to drop the stupid law in the first place, spend taxpayer dollars on more productive things -- and most certainly -- decide that appealing all the way to the Supreme Court over a dildo was not worth Texas' dollars. . But those days of classical conservatism are long, long gone. 50 comments from 12 users
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posted by
tkozy
on Oct 2, 2006 at 01:47 PM
Hardliner says. Those days of classical conservatism are long, long gone… TK says: It most certainly took a hike during the Reagan administration.. Going to have to look up old ‘I am not a Crook”. My mind is cluttered with other thoughts of his presidency.. Ford? Carter put a lot of people to work.. 8 million in 4 years.. Built more house’s in those 4 years than what is bragged about today.. 2 million per year.. Debt wasn’t bad… Dang stagflation will bite. Clinton eliminated the debt. Conservative tendency you think? posted by
randomfactor
on Oct 2, 2006 at 01:54 PM
Someone named Mountjoy ought to know better, I would think...
posted by
mattloch
on Oct 2, 2006 at 02:01 PM
We can't have people enjoyin' sex! You know what will come next, don't 'cha? People will be dancin'! In public, no less! To that debil rocks and rolls music! We gots to nip this in the bud!
posted by
robbwillis
on Oct 2, 2006 at 02:02 PM
Gives a fresh meaning to and a firm description of the term "penal code".http://www.colorado.edu/Rel... posted by
anonymous
on Oct 2, 2006 at 02:02 PM
Not becoming......ARE!!
posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Oct 2, 2006 at 02:36 PM
What next? Are they going to make it illegal for a woman to show her knees in public?
posted by
Hardliner4freedom
on Oct 2, 2006 at 02:47 PM
It's important to publicize the hell of the fact -- and it's a fact -- that in more and more districts, this is what you're getting when you vote Republican. . A huge majority of Americans -- including a huge majority of registered Republicans -- think this is stupid. We need to do that job that the media aren't: show voters that the GOP is coming to this. posted by
randomfactor
on Oct 2, 2006 at 02:51 PM
Adam, I disagree. They apparently believe that your bedroom is their concern, and their bedroom is anything goes.
posted by
TomW
on Oct 2, 2006 at 03:29 PM
Adam, RF, I was going to say that what happens in their bedrooms sure as hell isn't going to happen in mine.
posted by
randomfactor
on Oct 2, 2006 at 03:39 PM
Nor mine. The catchphrase "don't do anything I wouldn't do" brings a shudder to most of us. *IS* there anything they "wouldn't do?" I mean, if you had Seven of Nine as a wife, why on earth would you drag her unwillingly to swing clubs? Share? Not *ME!*posted by
mattloch
on Oct 2, 2006 at 04:36 PM
I heard that they weren't "swing" clubs per say, more voyerism clubs. To which I say, "hell yes." If I were married to Seven of Nine, I would want everybody to know I was having sex with her.
posted by
anonymous
on Oct 2, 2006 at 05:27 PM
Mucus I am shocked, shocked, you and Ann Coulter ( Foley's constituent) sound so disillusioned , why next thing you know Bubba will be you bosom buddy, but unlike with your friend Foley, you can turn your back on him....wait I forgot, you do that for all they boys, right?
posted by
randomfactor
on Oct 2, 2006 at 05:30 PM
We will, Mucus. You're still coming too, aren't you? Want your usual table?. Had to reach back to '83 for a comparable scandal, and you missed Dan Crane? posted by
randomfactor
on Oct 2, 2006 at 05:32 PM
I just love it when Mucus gets all moist reminiscing about his homosexual longings. Sob. They grow up so fast...
posted by
TomW
on Oct 2, 2006 at 05:35 PM
Hey, Mocus, why did you just surrender to the Taliban? Did someone take your page boy away? :)
posted by
randomfactor
on Oct 2, 2006 at 05:45 PM
Mucus, we rely on *YOU* to tell us what's permissible in sicko-land. The rest of us don't get there as often as you do. . Nobody gives a crap that Foley likes men. But he likes *UNDERAGE* boys. The timing before the election? That's just a gift from heaven. . And the *REAL* scandal here is that Hastert was covering for him like a Catholic Cardinal. Because he *KNEW* what it would do to the Republicans' support amongst the truly religious, the ones they laugh at and use like toys at election time. Republicans care more about the political damage than about the kids involved--and if that hurts them at the ballot box it's because it *SHOULD.* . Remember Muke: it ain't the crime, it's the coverup. posted by
randomfactor
on Oct 2, 2006 at 05:52 PM
We'll see how many other shoes drop in the next few weeks. It apparently wasn't just Foley.. If *ANY* of them are Democrats, I'll condemn them just as strongly. posted by
TomW
on Oct 2, 2006 at 05:52 PM
Ah yes, Mocus, it's not like the Republicans would spend millions of taxpayer dollars to try to impeach a president for an affair. By the way, how's that truce with the Taliban coming? My question is, what are you going to do with all those torture laws we just passed if you're going to turn around and surrender to our enemies?
posted by
TomW
on Oct 2, 2006 at 05:54 PM
I'm with you, RF. Anybody in my party had even a whiff of this and did nothing and we'll run them out of town.
posted by
anonymous
on Oct 2, 2006 at 10:45 PM
Funny how the Republicans get rid of their scum, yet the Democrats insist that their scum stay in office. Barney Frank ran a homosexual prostitution ring from his appartment. He is still in office. Kennedy is a drunk and is in rehab. He is still in office. The list goes on. At least Repubs hold their politicians to a higher standard and kick them out of office. How about the old boy with $100,000 in his freezer. Yup, still in office.... Amazing... So RF, when are you going to show some disdain for the scum in your party??.
posted by
ki6amd
on Oct 2, 2006 at 11:36 PM
Wow, this isn't the usual flame bait. Personally I'd say what happens in your bedroom is your own business and not the government's or anyone else's. blah blah blah, etc etc etc. I truely find it hard to take this topic seriously. The thing I will take seriously is that we have to many "common sense" laws. Do we really need a seat belt law? Maybe, but I guess more than anything it gives lawmakers something to do. Same here. Don't blame this on conservatism, this is just stupidity at it's worst. posted by
TomW
on Oct 3, 2006 at 12:02 AM
I don't blame it on "conservatism", but when you vote for people who call themselves conservative, this is what you get. That is Hardliners point.
posted by
TomW
on Oct 3, 2006 at 12:03 AM
Anon, they do? What ever happened to Jeff Gannon? And Frank was running a prostitution ring? How many people worked in the alleged prostitution ring? Kennedy got drunk and got busted. Fair enough.But trust me, if someone on our side was having sex with minors, and the house leader knew about it, I'd be out for blood. You should be too instead of trying this same moral equivalence type argument you use with the terrorists. posted by
Hardliner4freedom
on Oct 3, 2006 at 07:21 AM
KI6AMD, I don't blame it on true conservatism. I blame it on the fascist movement (and I use the word accurately) that has infected the Republican Party over the last ten years.. I'll be happy to substantiate my seemingly rabid claim at length upon request, but remember the Christian Coalition? They largely pioneered the transformation of the GOP from a conservative party to a theo-fascist party. . Here is what one of their Florida chapter leaders have said, in his own words: . http://www.forerunner.com/t... "We are not looking for a "voice a the table" nor are we seeking "equal time" with the godless promoters of pornography, abortion, safe-sodomy subsidies, socialism, etc. We want them silenced and punished according to God's Law-Word." . It was the current White House Press Secretary, Tony Snow, rather than a liberal, who first called them the Taliban: . http://www.jewishworldrevie... "The Taliban Republicans take a darker view of human nature. They consider the rest of us a bunch of potential dupes and regard society as a stew of corrupting influences. They look upon government as the ultimate street cleaner and see nothing untoward in declaring the moral equivalent of martial law: Jail the sinners, elevate the saints, establish the rule of the righteous, and do it all before the next sunrise." . And for good reason. posted by
anonymous
on Oct 3, 2006 at 07:28 AM
Tom, so the Democrat just has to have sex with a minor for you to have a problem with it?? Yup, there is a democrat for ya. Republicans throw out their scum when they send out lurid email messages.... Apparently that is ok for Dems to do, but thankfully, our Republicans don't approve.....
posted by
randomfactor
on Oct 3, 2006 at 07:39 AM
Anny, that ain't all Foley was doing. And don't forget the Nixon's First Law: . It aint' the crime, it's the coverup. posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Oct 3, 2006 at 08:51 AM
Anny, pretty good spin on that. I'm impressed that you made it seem like the repubs were angels and the Democrats were the perverts. Fox News or the White house could use someone like you. The fact of the matter is that Hastert not only didn't "throw out the scum" he covered up and protected the scum for years. They don't approve of what that pervert Foley was doing? Coulda fooled me.
posted by
anonymous
on Oct 3, 2006 at 09:12 AM
As a Republikan, I feel that Foley is being sacrificed for the ACLU. The Democrats just want to rid themselves of the very effective Hastert who did nothing wrong in following what Ronad Reagan the conservative god called the eleventh commandment....thou shall not speak evil of a fellow republikan.
What are these snotty pages anyway compared to our great Republican congressman for the party of god, whose mission is to serve the people.....right after they serve themselves, of course...that is the way of free enterprise and within our free trade rules. These kids just show up in Washington not to serve any purpose but to entice and entrap our god fearing Republikan men and women doing god's work for us back home. Of course you will now hear all the commie, pinko, liberals claiming that "they" have been harmed, that could not be further from the truth as congress Foley, Hastered and the boys were merely seeking to give a hands on demonstration of the evil creeping into our society as a result of dees by Black liberals like Michael Jackson. The public owes hastered and Foley an apology and a reward for protecting the sanctity and values of America's Republikan majority, and no reward would be tter than one at the polls in November...starting at home. posted by
anglo1
on Oct 3, 2006 at 09:19 AM
Looks like Foley should end up in prison and "if" Hastert is found guilty of covering any of this up he should be removed from office and imprisoned as an accomplice or a similar charge. Innocent until proven guilty . Remove everyone from office involved in a coverup and start fresh if needed.
posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Oct 3, 2006 at 09:45 AM
Anglo, I totally agree. This has nothing to do with party lines, it has everything to do with pervert sex offenders wandering around the halls of congress. The coverup of this scandal is way worse than the act itself, and the act itself was a felony. Just keep in mind that this is only what we've found out about so far. I'm sure it'll get way worse for former congressman Foley and his pervert buddies.Anny, I hope you're just trying to be funny. posted by
TomW
on Oct 3, 2006 at 10:01 AM
Anon, if you read the IMs and emails, Foley did a lot more than that. Once "waltzing" hits the news, a hard rain is gonna fall. And as for throwing them out for sending lurid emails (and omitting that fact that it was lurid emails to high school students), why didn't they throw him out when they found out about it rather than cover it up for a year? BTW, nice dodge on Gannon. Wanna address that?
posted by
mattloch
on Oct 3, 2006 at 10:22 AM
And don't forget the Dems tend to remove their "tainted" members (i.e. under investigation) from subcommittees, rather than leave them on. Guess they were right last night; members of Congress tend to be appointed to the committees of their greatest weakness.....
posted by
randomfactor
on Oct 3, 2006 at 10:25 AM
Oh, Anny, I fear you have it wrong in invoking the "eleventh commandment.". We are *FAR* from having seen the Republicans' "peak evil." posted by
randomfactor
on Oct 3, 2006 at 10:26 AM
Whereas, Mattloch, the Republicans change their rules to let tainted members...shall we say DeLay the inevitable?
posted by
anonymous
on Oct 3, 2006 at 10:28 AM
Thanks, I have not yet "peaked" today.
posted by
TomW
on Oct 3, 2006 at 10:39 AM
ABC is running another story this week. I think there are at least 3 more people who will resign within 2 weeks. If they were smart, they'd have Hastert resign now and cut off the head. If he doesn't go before tomorrow, Shimkus is next.
posted by
randomfactor
on Oct 3, 2006 at 10:46 AM
If they want this to end, the Republicans are going to have to throw Rumsfeld under the bus. Anything else is going to cause a "how we got to this point" rehash of the Congressional situation. . I've felt for some time that Rumsfeld's resignation was going to be the October Surprise. "See? We're making the toughchoices to win in posted by
anonymous
on Oct 3, 2006 at 10:51 AM
If they throw Rummy under the bus, too bad he can't have Cheney for company...
posted by
TomW
on Oct 3, 2006 at 11:02 AM
I disagree, Random. If anyone outside of Congress goes, it will beg the question "How far does this go?" People will tie it in to what they already know. Besides, with the story coming out that Condi offered her resignation as well and was promoted instead, they are still building the walls at the fortress Whitehouse.
posted by
Hardliner4freedom
on Oct 3, 2006 at 11:02 AM
When there is partisan political advantage at stake, there is nothing that Karl Rove doesn't know.. Therefore, nail his ass. posted by
TomW
on Oct 3, 2006 at 11:18 AM
People are already combing Foley's voting record for times he flipped. But you're right, Rove knows where all of the bodies are buried.
posted by
randomfactor
on Oct 3, 2006 at 11:26 AM
I'm not saying Rumsfeld would go because he's linked to the scandal. Just that he'd make a nice diversion, and folks in the White House are great at diversionary tactics.
posted by
anglo1
on Oct 3, 2006 at 11:59 AM
I meant what I said earlier about cleaning house if needed but an earlier anny mentioned the congressman that was video taped taking a bribe and the money was then found in a freezer in his office. What happened to him? Not comparing the two just wondering. Then we have the murderer in Mass. still in office and his nephew breaking laws lying and trying to cover it up with an substance abuse problem. I would love to see a mass house cleaning and just see if we can find some honorable people to "serve" the people and not their party. I am truly amazed by the sleaziness of members of both parties.
posted by
TomW
on Oct 3, 2006 at 11:59 AM
I'm not saying that either. But if he went now, he'd get linked in the minds of the voters. Or the idea that the whole party was falling apart from multiple scandals would take over. What they need is a homecoming parade or a new war. Those are the only things that will work. When Frist goes out and says he wants to negotiate with the Taliban for peace and that doesn't get media play, you know you've got a big story.
posted by
TomW
on Oct 3, 2006 at 12:30 PM
I'd like that too, anglo. I think the guy you're thinking of is still in office. He's going to court with it just like Tom Delay. But calling Ted Kennedy a murderer is like calling Laura Bush a murderer. I won't apply it to either but it's got to be applied evenly.There are definately rats all around, but somewhere there's a line and I guess right now it's somewhere between bribery and child molestation. We need to get more people of all stripes involved in politics so there is a broader candidate pool and get the money out of politics so you don't have to trade your soul for a seat. posted by
anglo1
on Oct 3, 2006 at 01:15 PM
Tom I understand you and yours hating anything Bush but you got to explain your comparison of Kennedy to Laura Bush. I tried and can't.
posted by
Hardliner4freedom
on Oct 3, 2006 at 01:18 PM
Tom can speak for himself, but I think he refers to people who label Ted Kennedy a murderer. . Some people do.
posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Oct 3, 2006 at 01:21 PM
posted by
anglo1
on Oct 3, 2006 at 01:31 PM
Not even close. Sorry Tom, I know you're a smart guy. A good housecleaning is long overdue.
posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Oct 3, 2006 at 02:06 PM
Here's a good claim vs fact comparison from Condi Rice's testimony to the 9-11 commission. It's kind of changing the subject, but I've heard a few people recently claiming that she's honest and trustworthy. Sorry there are only 15 examples.http://www.commondreams.org...
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