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NancyII - > Things that interest ME -> Abortion and the echo of eugenics
Abortion and the echo of eugenics

Abortion and the echo of eugenics

by Jeff Jacoby
The Boston Globe
July 26, 2009

WHAT DO Richard Nixon and Ruth Bader Ginsburg have in common?

Not much ever linked the former president, who died in 1994, and the associate justice now in her 17th year on the Supreme Court. But each was in the news recently with a cringe-inducing comment about abortion. Those comments -- one spoken privately long ago, one uttered publicly this month -- are a reminder of the ease with which educated elites can decide that some people's lives have no value.

Read on..some interesting history...

http://www.jeffjacoby.com/5...

 

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posted by donmason on Jul 26, 2009 at 05:53 PM

Gee, I try to be a somewhat useful eater :)

posted by NancyII on Jul 26, 2009 at 05:57 PM

I am a VERY useful eater Catpaw, I do my part by trying to rid the world of as much fat filled, sugar laden, plastic fillered ice cream as possible.  It's the least I can do.

posted by Wayfarer on Jul 26, 2009 at 06:23 PM

Good post Nancy.  The Darwinist don't like to see the light shine on all the implications of their religion.  But the historical facts are that it was this so called science of Darwinism that allowed people to be degraded as mere animals.  Furthermore this allowed the human/animals to graded as superior and inferior.  This ideology then led to many inhumanities, just a few examples; the nazis, the communist, and planned parenthood. This is a key reason why their is so much resistance to the uncritical teaching of the religion of Darwinism is public schools.  Now a days, they are taught about substainible populations.  But who will decide which population/human lives get cut so that others may live in comfort?

 

 

posted by catpaw on Jul 26, 2009 at 07:05 PM

But who will decide which population/human lives get cut....

Mother Nature in the form of famine, war, disease, population shift, natural catastrophic disasters. People degrade people, not science. And no, birth control is not eugenics and eugenics is not a science and Darwin is not a religion.

With sex education and the accessibility of effective birth control, including plan B contraception, there is no reason a woman should be pregnant who doesn't want to be (with the exception of forced sex). If anything, abortions should be declining. Suggesting that Planned Parenthood is motivated by eugenics or eliminating particular people by some kind of profile is a malicious falsehood manufactured by religious fanatics.

posted by Wayfarer on Jul 26, 2009 at 07:21 PM

Yep, Cat this is the story you tell yourself.  But why should we accept your religion over anyone elses?  The majority of other religions at least take a stab at honoring others lives. 

posted by catpaw on Jul 26, 2009 at 07:37 PM

Which is like saying astronomy or geology is a religion. It is a science. As a science, it does not honor or degrade life. If anything, it defines it with logic.

posted by catpaw on Jul 26, 2009 at 07:44 PM

Mistook donmason for me, nancy? But we do have one important thing in common. The world should be rid of fattening ice cream. Matter of fact, there is a pint of mint moosetracks in the freezer I'd better get rid of right now. It's for Mrs. Catpaw's own good. The things I do for that woman....

posted by Wayfarer on Jul 26, 2009 at 08:24 PM

Soo sorry ,but for the 5000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0 times a science depends of repeatable experiments and observable facts!  You have yet to demonstrate either!  From a real person and not a made up one like grannronnie;P 

 

posted by paxchristi3 on Jul 26, 2009 at 10:53 PM

The bubbling cauldron of Darwinism, racism, abortion and eugenics may not be a religion, but it sure acts like one. To hear one of my favorite priests, Fr. Euteneur, tell it:

“Abortion is a demonic industry,” he told the Philadelphia Bulletin. “Abortion is blood sacrifice of innocent blood to the devil. The clinics are like temples, the doctors are like priests, the medical table is like their altar. It’s a ritualized sacrifice. They have a dogma called choice, a hierarchy called Planned Parenthood, and guardian angels in the form of police guards that will arrest you if you try to stop them.”

No "populations," not even the unborn, should be treated with less dignity than any others. Ginsburg and Nixon were certainly off their rockers on this one. Let anyone who thinks otherwise be anathema.

posted by paxchristi3 on Jul 26, 2009 at 11:50 PM

How remiss of me to leave out Kinseyism from the concoction. The father of the sexual revolution, who also viewed humans as animals, has been deservedly debunked and scorned by his peers: http://insidecatholic.com/J...

With each passing heresy, folks like these are making the church founded by Christ, who assured her of being guided into the truths by the Holy Spirit, come out smelling like a rose.

posted by randomfactor on Jul 27, 2009 at 07:52 AM

Nancy/Pax, the fundamental basis of the pro-choice position is that there's a choice involved.

The fundamental basis of the anti-abortion position is that women should not be allowed to make their own choices.  I'm glad that Associate Justice Sotomayor seems to disagree with that.

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The majority of other religions at least take a stab at honoring others lives. 

The majority of religions "diss" every one but their own members. 

posted by FloridaStateGrad on Jul 27, 2009 at 12:08 PM

I find it rather ironic that the religous right clings to notion of personal liberties as it pertains to issues they agree upon, but are unwilling to support personal liberty on issues they disagree with.  Ironically, such a mistake mirrors their perception of Christianity in general.

posted by Wayfarer on Jul 27, 2009 at 12:17 PM

FSG I don't think any of us here fits under the definition of the religious right.  For one the religious right bogeymen are synonymous with Evangelicals.  I am a Orthodox Christian, Pax is Roman Catholic,  I don't think Nancy is associated with any particular confession, and Random is a atheist fundie.  See no self proclaimed Evangelicals here;)  

posted by FloridaStateGrad on Jul 27, 2009 at 12:18 PM

Wayfarer - don't flatter yourself.. I was speaking in general terms.

posted by Wayfarer on Jul 27, 2009 at 12:21 PM

 Admittedly that was a rather big, sweeping generalization;)

 

posted by NancyII on Jul 27, 2009 at 07:26 PM

Catpaw, I did indeed.  Don't know how that happened other than airheaditis.  I don't think it's catching but back away from the screen just in case.

posted by NancyII on Jul 27, 2009 at 07:40 PM

Catpaw..a dangerous trend is Cherry Moosetracks. Beware......  I'm doing my best to get rid of it..a shameful concoction that should be stored in my freezer to protect mankind (and womankind.)  I do so admire your bravely for protecting your wife.

As for religion yadda yadda.  I was raised by a semi Baptist sort who, while he did not attend church could probably out Bible quote any minister around.  I do not belong to any organized religion and haven't attended a church in a long time.  I'm a firm believer in the Ten Commandments and that even if you don't use them in a religious sense, they are wonderful guidelines for life.  I live by Grace and will die by Grace which precludes me from ever becoming part of the Jewish faith..one which I greatly admire.  I admire other organized religions for various reasons so, in my mind, I tend to be a conglomeration of all.

My main theory is that no one made me the ultimate judge, that's Gods job.  I don't care what you do as long as you aren't stepping on my toes but I will most definitely voice my opinion about the matter whether is abortion, gay marriage, or mating with martians.  If that sounds contradictory, too bad.  That's just me.

posted by Reason on Jul 28, 2009 at 10:46 AM

FSG I don't think any of us here fits under the definition of the religious right.  For one the religious right bogeymen are synonymous with Evangelicals.  I am a Orthodox Christian, Pax is Roman Catholic,  I don't think Nancy is associated with any particular confession, and Random is a atheist fundie.  See no self proclaimed Evangelicals here;)  

I wouldn't put Nancy in the same box with you and Pax.  There's a big difference, in my observation.  Nancy can make an argument without directly and purposefully insulting those who disagree with her.  Whereas, you seem to relish in veiled (and not-so-veiled) name-calling, labeling, and insults.  I wouldn't label you an evangelical.  Clearly, you're not and neither is Pax.  However, you both proclaim to have "total truth" and claim a moral highground under false pretenses.  Those pretenses being that you are more "right" or more moral than a person of different, or no, faith simply because you've chosen a different belief system.  Your orthodoxy makes you no more and no less moral by default than an atheist.  As a Christian, you should realize that, but you don't seem to.  THAT is what makes you different from Nancy, imo.  You can make posts saying, "I'm a sinner and undeserving".   In fact, you'll probably reply to this with some version of that spiel.  Still I have no doubt that in the back of your head, you consider yourself better than someone like Random or "atheist fundies" (as you call them) and that is what allies you with the evangelical crowd.  The belief that by default, faith, or divine mandate, your beliefs and your opinions are more right than those of someone else.  

posted by FloridaStateGrad on Jul 28, 2009 at 03:37 PM

Reason - what you just wrote is what I should have written, in not so many words.

 

What really irks me is that I myself am a Christian, but I look at certain people, on this site especially, who seem to consistently take the Holier-than-thou attitude.  It's quite sickening, and frankly it's un-Christian.

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