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posted by jfrancais on Jun 23, 2009 at 05:03 PM

Colleges should not sponsor high school athletics and I wish they would get out of the arms race all together.  They are getting played by the professional sports leagues serving merely as a minor league or human resources factory for free under the guise of amateurism and college spirit.  The NCAA is an old antiquated institution making millions on subsidized labor.  Those athletes are entertainers first, students second.  I hope more young high school athletes explore options in Europe to get better compensation for their athletic talent.  The days of enticing aspiring prep athletes with a letterman's jacket and his name on the back of the jersey are on the by and by.

posted by jnealhicks on Jul 13, 2009 at 06:37 PM

 

What students learn during participation in 'extra'-curricular activities, is far more useful than what they memorize in math and science.  The idea of 'preparing students' has at least two major flaws:  First, abstract information in math and science will not be used later; and second, the idea of 'transferability' of skills naver has and never will be effective.  Successful learning is about knowledge creation, not knowledge transfer.  Knowledge creation happens when do meaningful tasks, not when they prepare to do tasks, which relies on the myth of transferability.  Vocational, sports and other activities where students undertake practical tasks should be expanded.  Read more at forumbakersfield.com.

posted by jfrancais on Jul 13, 2009 at 09:47 PM

 First, abstract information in math and science will not be used later; and second, the idea of 'transferability' of skills naver has and never will be effective. 

That's not true at all.  I can think of  lot of abstract concepts that I use in my line of work today.  I didn't go to school to be a mathematician but I use it daily.  I use scientific laws and math everyday as an Field Artillery Officer.  When I was in high school, I would complain bout how I would never use the concepts but that is just not true.  No one will deny that sports plays a part in the educational process but I think math and sciences are more important than saving JV sports.  I think all the faculty jobs that are being lost to the current crisis in place of athletics is sending the wrong message about what is important.  In the big scheme of things JV sports is not as important as learning basic life skills like math and science.

posted by jfrancais on Jul 15, 2009 at 09:58 AM

Example: I just performed Pythagorean Theorem today to prevent artillery rounds from landing on troops heads.

posted by VirgilAnderson on Jul 15, 2009 at 10:02 AM

 "What students learn during participation in 'extra'-curricular activities, is far more useful than what they memorize in math and science ... "

wow !

I think ken mettter needs to stop blogging.

--virgil

posted by jfrancais on Jul 15, 2009 at 10:09 AM

Nothing like reading "I averaged 18.8 points per game" or "I averaged 6.7 yards per carry" on a CV.

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TheGrade - > The Grade -> Save JV sports in KHSD?
Save JV sports in KHSD?

The Kern High School District has announced it may cut JV sports next year.

At the Monday night board meeting June 22 many concerned parents and teachers spoke about how it would be a mistake to cut JV sports, for a number of reasons.
(JV sports: football, basketball, softball, baseball and volleyball)

Neither the board or district are likely to add $430,000 allotted to JV sports back to the budget, but at least two trustees were open to the idea of keeping JV sports running if money could be shifted around with athletic departments. Several speakers suggested the community would be more than willing to step up and support JV sports.

Read the story about Monday's board meeting and more about the $3.7 million in reductions the board is considering and will vote to approve July 2.

So how does the community step up? Ideas about how the community of Bakersfield could support JV sports? 

 

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posted by tkozy on Jun 23, 2009 at 01:16 PM

Major league clubs sponsor their minor league teams. Get colleges to sponsor their minor league teams.  Get them to foot the bill for High School sports.

School is for learnen.

Let’s get back to basics. Let’s make sure the kids can read, write and do math.  I played sports. But never found them to be of importance. Sand lot football always much more fun than waiting for the bus to ride 2 hours for a game.

Those that will not stay in school except for the extracurricular activities should learn a trade and get to work.

The worshipping of sports has become distracting . It has affected the productivity of this nation in a negative way.

The entire industry produces nothing.

posted by jfrancais on Jun 23, 2009 at 01:32 PM

I never understood why the JV teams travelled on their own bus (while varsity travelled in charter buses for away games) when I was in high school.  We were playing at the same venues.  To cut cost, the JV could consist of players from the varsity that didn't play or just have a league schedule.  This would also cut down on the amount of coaches needed.  That's what they do in other states and in college.

posted by njalssaga on Jun 23, 2009 at 01:41 PM

Raise taxes.


posted by hotandfoggy on Jun 23, 2009 at 01:43 PM

tkozy,

I agree with you that there is more to high school than athletics. I know a lot of teachers that volunteer to work with students in clubs, which also gets students involved.

I don't think college students would be willing to foot the bill for high school athletics. When I was at CSU, Bakersfield, I was upset that I had to pay around an additional $150 each quarter for Division I athletics and the new athletic center that CSUB was building. I wasn't at CSUB when the student body (low turnout) voted for the fee increase.  The fee for the athletic center would have been okay if it was about $15 a quarter, but I believe it was near $50. The rest of the money was for Division I athletics.

I'm currently repaying my student loans, which is about $112 a month. The other day I received a postcard from CSUB's athletic department asking me if I could make a $100 donation to support CSUB athletics. I was tempted to send them a bill for all the extra money that I had to pay each quarter to support Division I athletics.

posted by theoppressedone on Jun 23, 2009 at 03:12 PM

I thing Mettler is trying to get rid rid of JV sports because he got his a$$ kicked by a JV kid last summer?

posted by tkozy on Jun 23, 2009 at 03:13 PM

Hot,

I have wondered how much of the cost of a college education goes to sports. Sure the financing for football might largely pay it’s own way. But I don’t believe  there is a chance in Haiti’s that sports pay for themselves. Then there is the argument that  sports bring notoriety to a school and attracts to it’s population.

With schools turning away applicants in droves. I see no reason for the enticement of students. Especially in the High School arena.

All things considered, four years in college is a waste of productivity for most.  Even with a college degree. Some form of apprenticeship is required to assimilate to the conditions of ones new employment. And in most cases the apprenticeship is the only training that is required to perform a excellent job.

Without your contribution to sports. How would the 40 or so baseball players occupy themselves if it were not for the 8 months of training.  What would the 100 or so spectators do with their time.

Educators have done themselves a service by stressing the importance of a degree. A degree that many will never full fill in their lifetime.

A business degree to manage a Burger King is a waste of manpower.  Most importantly it wastes manpower during their most productive period of life.
Who could perform better at 25 than at 18.   And how could those lost years between 18 and 25 ever be made up?

A union ditch digger may buy a house today for 100 grand. 7 years from now the graduate may buy the house from the ditch digger for 300 grand. That is of course if he can qualify for the mortgage while paying his student loan.

I support a full education. I support hard work and ingenuity to a greater degree.

It is the current trend toward unnecessary education. Those courses that should be taken at night school in your free time. After you have entered the workforce and have begun contributing to the nations productivity that I argue against.

Getting an education that in effect is only a waste of your youth, is killing American productivity.

posted by hotandfoggy on Jun 23, 2009 at 03:48 PM

tkozy,

The fees below are listed on CSUB's Office of Admission and Records' website at  http://www.csub.edu/admissi...

The ASI, the Associate Student body leaders, don't do much for the students so I'm not sure what they do with the $105 fee. It was less when I attended CSUB. I didn't mind paying the health service fee, because a lot of college students don't have health care, and I didn't want to catch anybody's germs in a classroom.  When I take classes at BC, I always use their health center. I'm not sure if the student union fee is for the new athletic center.

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