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TomW - > All Politics Are Local -> Trying something a bit different
Trying something a bit different
So I've been fairly focused on politics since we were just running up to the election, but now that it's over, I'd like to get into talking more about construction stuff as well.

Most of the homes that have been thrown up (and I use the term with all puns intended) in the last few years in Bakersfield seem to have been built using the minimum standards to get the job done.  One house I was working one recently had styrofoam detailing and the builder had to come back a number of times to fix things after the home had been built.

So knowing that a number of people have recently bought homes, I thought it might make sense to set up a forum where we can talk about the problems with some of the newer homes in the area.  That said, the majority of my experience is in working on 100 year old buildings, so if you've got any questions about knob and tube wiring, older plumbing, or anything of that nature, feel free to toss them my way.

I'll still be posting some political stuff, but I'm going to try to keep away from the informational and head towards the activational.

Anything off the tops of your heads?
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posted by mattloch on Dec 1, 2006 at 01:34 PM
Ever since that builder refused to sell a new house to a lawyer a few years back, I swore to never buy a "new" house. You won't find a decently-constructed house anymore for anything less than a half a mil.....
posted by TomW on Dec 1, 2006 at 01:34 PM
So as most of you know, I'm working on a 1906 house in Oakland right now.  Basically I lifted it up and added a new ground floor, which is pretty common in these parts.  I've got to head over to day to finish up the siding, and then I'll go back inside to finish with the minor stuff before insulating and adding sheetrock.

This probably won't be such a popular blog, since there just isn't the passion here about these kinds of issues, but it may help "grow the community" and I'll try to throw in some interesting bits I find on green building which is very fun.
posted by TomW on Dec 1, 2006 at 01:38 PM
Mattloch, when I used to work in property management, the owner refused to rent to lawyers.  Same type of deal.  As for new houses, I think they are fine as long as you know a bit about them and never pay for the "newness".  One thing that has impressed me is that most of the houses here are going up with slate roofs, which will probably outlast the house.
posted by mattloch on Dec 1, 2006 at 01:45 PM
But the newly constructed houses will never last as long as older houses have already. If I ever end up buying a house, I'll be getting something built before WWII and spending money on fixing it, rather than a "new" house that potentially has just as many things wrong with it.
posted by TomW on Dec 1, 2006 at 01:47 PM
Oleander has some great old houses.  I've got a thing about stucco, so I'm kinda screwed anyway for buying a new place.
posted by AudreyB on Dec 1, 2006 at 02:29 PM

They stopped hiring apprentice and journeyman carpenters 15 years ago.  Houses now are built by illegals who never had an hour of training.

posted by mattloch on Dec 1, 2006 at 02:38 PM
That's where I live, Tom. Not in a great old house, but I'm surrounded by them. I love the Craftsman style, crown moulding, and built-in cabinets. But affording one on a single-parent's pay just isn't in the cards anymore. All I can hope for is a bank repo in a few years.....
posted by jasonsperber on Dec 1, 2006 at 11:00 PM

Nice refocusing (and new banner), Tom.  (Topical/thematic blogs by community members is a direction we would like to go in, esp. for organizational and featuring purposes.)

When my wife and I were getting ready to move here from LA 3 years ago, we visited one model home and said, "Nuh-uh."  Did some online research re: older neighborhoods (actually discovered Oleander and Westchester thru the Californian), and so when we came up with a realtor, we saw 10 houses only in those areas in one day.  Came home, and made an offer on our 1952 Westchester ranch house, and started reading Dwell and Atomic Ranch.  Heh.  Anyway, we're not DIYers, but we had the exterior paint redone and the narrow kitchen totally redone this summer, and now we can entertain like we like to.  Looking forward to your new blogging efforts here.

posted by TomW on Dec 2, 2006 at 12:11 AM
Audrey, a lot of the work is done by immigrants, but there are still jobs out there for folks like me.  Lots of them.
posted by AudreyB on Dec 2, 2006 at 12:18 AM

Tonw

There are still jobs for journeymen,  but they have to travel long distances to get to them.

posted by TomW on Dec 2, 2006 at 12:18 AM
Mattloch, I like the Craftsmen style, but it's a bit heavy for my tastes.  Give me an Arts and Crafts home (between the Victorian and Craftsmen period) and I'm happy.  What's interesting about the Craftsmen style is that we are just leaving another craftsmen period, with all these buildings that went up with the exposed ductwork and electrical.  There is a strong yearning in some people's aesthetic to really have a sense of how the building they occupy is put together.  I'm one of those who wants to see the nails and fastenings of the house.
posted by TomW on Dec 2, 2006 at 12:22 AM
Audrey, I know some people have been caught up in that.  I'm going to be getting a couple of licenses this winter and hopefully my General license after that.  In my experience, you're better off getting a young person who knows nothing but is eager to learn than you are getting someone cheap who does everything wrong.  If I hire, it'll be on those criteria.
posted by TomW on Dec 2, 2006 at 12:27 AM
Jason, thanks for the good words.  I need to tweak the banner some, but it's not bad for a first try.  What you said this morning about building the community struck a chord with me.  I'd like to see this place get filled up and encourage people who don't like the bare knuckles parts of the blogs to have a home as well.

Hopefully I can find a rhythm on this and get you and your wife inspired to pick up some DIY stuff, both on your house and politically.  :)
posted by NancyII on Dec 2, 2006 at 02:15 AM

I've moved into a house that appears to have been built in the late 40's or early 50's.  It has hardwood floors, rounded ceiling in the living room, a separate small dining room and a detached garage with SLIDING doors!  I almost feel like the Cleaver family here.  Unfortunately the floor furnace went out the week after I moved in and the owner is having a dual pack installed.  In the meantime, I've been without heat for tha last two weeks...and wouldn't you know we would start with the frosts right now.

Anyway..the windows all have molding around them (double hung of course) and the place really has charm.  As soon as I can feel my hands again I'll get the rest of the boxes empty and start to enjoy "this old house."  I had the same feeling about the Oleander area..I love all the houses there with the exception of the "bungalow" style built with rocks.  Not my cuppa tea.

posted by tonyh on Dec 2, 2006 at 03:35 AM
Nancy, If the ceilings are coved into the walls, it dates to the 1930's. Is the top of the front door round, maybe an arched front window in the living room? If so, it's early 1930's. If not, it's the late 1930's. The sliding Garage door was retro-fitted later. That WAS a 1940's thing, right before one piece wood lift-up doors in the 1950's. In the 1930's, Garage doors were still double doors, hinged on the sides like a Carriage House. Odds are that the doors are the originals, just converted to sliders. I'm familiar with this architecture style. There are several homes like this in Shafter, where I grew up. I had friends who lived in some of them. They're beautiful little Cottage type houses with lots of character, inside and out. Usually, the craftsmanship in the wood trim and hardwood flooring is OUTSTANDING. Heavy drapes are usually required, because those old double hung windows become drafty over the years. Very pretty, but drafty. I've got a "Thing" for home Architecture Styles and techniques of the craftsmen of the various periods. I’m a Mechanical Engineer by trade, but my Great Grandfather was a Master Carpenter in Santa Barbara from about 1936 through the late 1960’s.  
posted by anonymous on Dec 2, 2006 at 03:36 AM

Sounds like a very pretty place.

posted by NancyII on Dec 2, 2006 at 05:25 AM
The only room with the coved ceiling is the living room.  It has a bay window in the dining room but no arched doors or windows  I't also lath and plaster.  Another odd thing is that it has a vent to the attic in the kitchen celing over the stove  and over the tub in the bathroom .  it's angled or beveled.   I'd never seen that before a few months ago and spotted one in another house in the area.  I'll be doing some research to see if I can pinpoint the time a little better.
posted by motopoet on Dec 2, 2006 at 08:12 AM
Mom's driveway is imprinted with um..i think it's 1941. It's a cool old house. My house was built in 2001 and I am the original owner. I am involved in a class action lawsuit against the builder(as are 16 others). It went to court last week, I am told. Well see what comes of it. I battled with this guy while the home was being built and after I moved in. Lot's of promises, no action. Cracked slabs and stucco, lowspots that have caused tile and grout to crack. The inside corners are all bullnosed and the flashing has popped out on a few corners...it goes on and on. The slate roofs are pretty much a requirement anymore. I don't know if it's code, but I know many insurance companies will no longer insure anything else on a new home.
posted by NancyII on Dec 2, 2006 at 02:12 PM

Tom..my apologies for not thanking you for taking a break from politics.  I remember that you said after the elections you would break away and so you did.  Thank you so much for bringing a really interesting topic to the table. 

About the driveway.   I discovered a really interesting thing.  It's two strips of concrete out to about 3/4's of the lot.  The sidewalk is the same way.  The part Mark mentioned that has a date stamped in it is an extension added later that meets the curb and forms the drive in part...as is the sidewalk to the curb.  I started looking around the neighborhood and they're all like that.  Why would the builders have stopped short of the street?   I doubt curbs and gutters were put in when it they were built so would they have had a wider street then?  Anyone know about the customs in that time?

(by the way..this is the second time I posted this..the first one disappeared and I DID put in the code letters.)

posted by dusty1215 on Dec 2, 2006 at 04:43 PM
Audrey, the immigrants are a huge part of the new home building here, but they aren't the whole picture either. My son is a plumber who until recently worked only on new construction. He was very frustrated by the level of immigrants working that had no experience as you mention. The market is so competitive, many of the companies do hire a large number of immigrants to do the basic work, but there are still quite a few of the experienced journeymen involved in the construction. My son now works solely on remodels or the high-priced homes in the area. He has never had to leave Bako for a job however.
posted by TomW on Dec 2, 2006 at 05:19 PM
Nancy, a good quick way to date the home would be using www.zillow.com.  Just put in the address, click on the house and click on "more information".  There should be a date there.  I agree with Tony's assessment though, coving means pre-WWII 90% of the time.  The only reason I'd pause is that there is no coving in the dining room and that you don't mention a mantle on your fireplace.

As for your driveway, it's very possible that you just had a dirt path next to the road.  A lot of the unincorporated areas of town are still that way as are some of the recently incorporated.  Once the city put in sidewalks, they'd need to put in aprons as well.
posted by TomW on Dec 2, 2006 at 05:24 PM
Dusty, your son is going to have a lot of work.  As Moto said above, so many of these houses were built by inexperienced people that they are practically falling apart.

As for the slate roofs, Moto, they aren't code as far as I know, but I think they are a marginally cheap feature that raises home value a lot. 
posted by dusty1215 on Dec 2, 2006 at 05:27 PM
He works for a small contractor who has found the niche you mention Tom. He said he enjoys it a lot better than going behind inexperienced workers and fixing their screwups.
posted by TomW on Dec 2, 2006 at 05:53 PM
I hear that, Dusty.  It's no fun to explain to a homeowner that you have to rip open a perfectly good new wall to get at one small joint that can be fixed in 5 minutes once you find it.  90% of the work is getting to the problem and repairing the damage done getting to it.
posted by dusty1215 on Dec 2, 2006 at 06:04 PM
Tom, you hit the nail on the head..repairing the damage done getting to it. All that for 5 minutes of actual "fixing".  That was what drove my son nuts when he had to go back and fix the unskilled screwups.
posted by NancyII on Dec 3, 2006 at 12:25 AM

Thanks Tom.  As for the mantle..no fireplace so no mantle.  I'm actually wondering what I'm going to do with the stuff I had for the 12 foot mantle I had in my last house.  I had collectable glassware on it and for this season..all kinds of villages, elf, santas, and snowmen.  Now I have no place to put any of them.

 

I checked out zillow and it said the house was built in 1940.  WhooooHooooo..as Mark said..it's older than I am !.

posted by tonyh on Dec 3, 2006 at 05:28 AM

If it was built in 1940, that explains the coved ceilings in just the living room and no other rooms. It was built during a transitionary period.

 

I agree with Tom about your hybrid driveway. The curbs and gutters were most likely added later and needed joining to the existing driveway. The vents above the stove and bath tub were common. Most of the homes of that era had large fans mounted above them, with a switch. Over the years, these fans were removed and plywood was put over the vent panels (on the top side). I'll bet that if you look in the attic, you'll find this to be true. They let an awful lot of heat out during the winter. My friend's Father modified the plywood panel above the stove with hinges, so it sould be opened in the Summer and closed during the Winter. He also put the old fan back. He found it laying in the Attic, tossed over to the side. He did, however, leave the one in the Bathroom sealed.

Theirs was a neat Cottage. It was built in 1932 and had coved ceilings in every room in the main house. The Utility room (no coved ceiling) was attached, but you had to walk across a breezway to get to it. It didn't have a fireplace, but it had an arched front door and an arched picture window in the living room. Get this, the glass in the window was actually cut in a rectangle, but the arch at the top was framed over the glass on the inside and outside, to make it look as though the glass was cut that way. Nobody realized it the window was broken and needed replaced.

posted by NancyII on Dec 3, 2006 at 05:45 AM

Tony...you could be right about the vents being sealed.  with no furnace I've been turning the oven on very low (not while sleeping though) and the kitchen warms right up.  If the vent was open I'd probably be able to tell.  Same with the bathroom.  The owner had told me the vent didn't work very well and I might have to crack the window for the shower...I noticed with the little electric heater the bath got warm quickly too.

Good news here...the dual pack was on the roof when I got home.  It's supposed to be hooked up tomorrow when they run the gas and electric to it.

I wonder how many of those old arched windows were framed around the rectangle?    I always wanted one of the houses like that.  I'll bet replacing the actual arched glass would cost a pretty penny.

posted by tonyh on Dec 3, 2006 at 06:05 AM
They had to cut the wall up and rebuild the window framing for the initial replacement, but once that was done, the trouble was over. If the window ever needed replacing again, it'd be fairly straight forward.
posted by TomW on Dec 3, 2006 at 08:24 PM
Nancy, cutting arched glass isn't that big of a deal.  Glass guys have a little bar with a suction cup on one end and a scribe on the other.  The bar rotates at the suction cup so you can draw a circle.  All you have to do it determine the radius of the circle implied in the arch and scribe it out.  It costs more than a regular window per square foot because you have to pay for the waste glass, but it's not a tough job to do.

Tony, I love the idea of a sqare glass window in a curved frame.  HA!  That kind of stuff makes me laugh every time.  I've worked on old buildings for a long time, so I always ask myself how easy something will be to fix when it breaks.  Because everything eventually breaks.
posted by tonyh on Dec 3, 2006 at 09:03 PM

Yea, I'm the same way with old buildings. I guess they built the atched winows that way back before they figured out how to cut arched glass. As I said before, rebuilding the wall with an arched window frame was the majority of the work.

 

posted by TomW on Dec 3, 2006 at 09:20 PM
Probably just some guy who kinda knew what he was doing and "made it work".  My grandpa died a few years back and he was one of those.  I love him a lot, but I've been out to Minnesota a few times now fixing some of my Grandpa's handiwork.  Everything worked just fine, but you have to get inside his head to sort out the very "practical" way he had of making things go.  BTW, for a fun time, try taking an electricians' kit on an airplane.  Even though it was in my checked luggage, They announced over the speakers, "Will the owner of the grey and black bag will the green toolbox inside please report to a service agent immediately or your bag will be destroyed."  Good times.
posted by tonyh on Dec 3, 2006 at 09:43 PM

(lol).........Try going through Airport Security with a 4 foot long single flute drill bit, in a clear plastic tube. When the Security Agent asks what it is, you tell her "It's a Gun Drill". Poor woman turned white as a sheet and I thought her knees were going to buckle. After about 25 minutes, they let me through and I asked the flight crew if they'd put into a forward closet, so it wouldn't get bent.

posted by TomW on Dec 3, 2006 at 09:50 PM
OK, *that* is funny..  I've always called them "Bell hanger bits".  "Gun drill" has a nice ring to it, but I probably won't try to repeat your experience.  :)
posted by tonyh on Dec 3, 2006 at 11:42 PM

A gun drill is used in a special machine for drilling very deep holes. Think about how the hole is made through a rifle barrel, or how hollow rear axles for race cars are drilled.............

I think what you're talking about is a drill bit that is welded to a long shaft. They can be used for drilling through fire blocking AND the top plate, in a wall cavety, to run wire...Is that right? I've got a 6ft one with a 3/8" bit on the end.

posted by TomW on Dec 4, 2006 at 02:03 AM

Tony, you're right about the bit I was talking about. I'd never heard of the one you're talking about.  I did some metal work in college, but never anything that cool.  What were you doing with that sucker?

posted by tonyh on Dec 4, 2006 at 02:20 AM

I'm an Engineer in the Medical Implant Manufacturing Industry. I can take drill a hole through a bar of 316 Stainless Steel or 6Al-4V Titanium to a depth in excess of 180 times the diameter and maintain less that .004" of total runout. There are only a few people in the world who can actually do this. I've been doing extreme deep hole work for years. This is actually my forte'. I'm also very well versed in many processes using high alloy materials.

I was actually carrying the drill to a Vendor's shop, to teach them to drill in this manner. They were going to manufacture some parts for me. The drill was special, in that it had a custom grind on the cutting tip. I ground it myself.

 

posted by TomW on Dec 4, 2006 at 05:08 PM
Tony, that is cool.  When we were talking about bringing jobs to the area you had mentioned metal fabrication as something that Bako should be looking into.  Now I know why.  My work is much less precise than that, so I am really impressed.
posted by NancyII on Dec 22, 2006 at 07:21 PM

The water heater I complained about has now been turned up and I have scalding water.  Which is fine with me.  The problem now may not be a problem, but what makes the kitchen faucet shudder when the hot water faucet is turned on low?  When I turn it on higher volume it stops.  The hot and cold faucets are mounted on the backsplash with a single spout.

It makes a heck of a racket.  Any ideas anyone?

posted by tonyh on Dec 22, 2006 at 10:01 PM

Nancy,

Did this "shudder" occur BEFORE the hot water heater was turned up? If so, it's the way the pipes are mounted in the wall. The hot water pipe might be loose and bouncing around a little in the wall. When pressure is relieved, it can cause a pipe to vibrate if it's not strapped down tightly.

If it DIDN'T occur before the hot water heater was turned up, it could be that the water heater is now producing a small amount of steam. This isn't common, but it can happen with older hot water heaters and galvenized pipe.

 

Tom,

High precision Machinists are paid very well. The cost of living around Memphis is around 20% less than Bakersfield, and, with a few years experience, they make between $18 and $23 bucks an hour, plus GOOD benefits. Medical, Dental, Vision, 401K, etc. The paid vacation starts at 2 weeks a year + 1/2 bonus day per month (that can be saved up), if you're not late for work or leave early. At 5 years, they get 3 weeks. At 12 years, they get 4 weeks. This is also working in an air conditioned, clean (Clean like your kitchen) shop. Medical Devices aren't manufactured in the old typical greasy, dark machine shops. Our factories are cleaner and better lit than my kids' schools.

These trades require a fairly high level of math skills. Some of the machines have 10 axes of movement and are Computer Numerically Controlled. They're also machining superalloys.

See Tom, if B.C. would build a SERIOUS technology program and Cal State would assemble a REAL College of Engineering (Biologics included), and the two schools set and worked toward a common goal, things would change. With the world demographics heading the way they are (the population is getting older), the demand for Orthopedic and Spinal Implants is, and will continue to grow.

The Staff positions in the industry (Engineering, Marketing, Accounting, Information Technology, Legal, Business Management) earn between 48K to over six figures per year, depending on experience and performance. This doesn't even take into account the Executive Staff saleries. These incomes could be floating around in the local econemy. When people have money, they spend money.

Crap, think about it like this...............Memphis is nasty humid in the summer. It's like 92% humidity and 90*. In the winter, we have periodic snow and ice. Sometimes, we have ice storms that shut everything down. It takes 8 hours to get to somewhere that LOOKS different than it does here. Because of the humidity, ther are LOTS OF BUGS in the warmer months also.

Warsaw, Indiana is the Capital of the Orthopedic Manufacturing Industry, with Memphis recently running second. It's got about 34,000 people, and is a good hour from Ft. Wayne in one direction and South Bend in the other. If you want to go to a REAL city, it's 2 hours south, to Indy. In the winter, it gets down into the single digits regularly. They have a lot of snow and ice. Summer is nice, but it only lasts for about a month and a half. It takes about 6 or 7 hours to find somewhere that isn't Corn Fields or Dairy Farms. It's flat as a board. There are NO mountains. There is NO beach. There are, however, lots of lakes. The trouble is that if you live on a lake up there, the wind blowing off of the lake in the winter will deposite a nice 4 inch layer of ice against the back of your house, deck, yard, .....................With all of the cold, there's nowhere to even go Skiing.

I truely believe that Bakersfield has a much better location for quality of life. These days, with the Generation "Y" workforce coming, quality of life matters a lot.

posted by TomW on Dec 22, 2006 at 10:36 PM
Tony, I agree about the machinists.  I think that kind of thing is just what Bakersfield needs.  You're right about the coming boom in demand as well.  Elder care is huge here and getting more in demand every day.
posted by TomW on Dec 22, 2006 at 10:45 PM
Nancy and Tony: the other possibility is that the washer may have been weak and the super hot water has made it flexible causing it to, how shall I say this, fart in your general direction.  You might want to shut off the water and pull the valve stems to replace the washers or call a friend to do it.  It's not an expensive fix and it might solve the problem.  Are you having to turn pretty hard to get the water to turn off?
posted by NancyII on Dec 23, 2006 at 06:09 AM

The shudder didn't happen before the heater was turned up so the temp must have something to do with it.  I don't have to turn hard, it's still a bit soft, but I have to make sure it IS all the way or it drips.  I don't have a regular drip but the washers could need replacing.

If I turn the volume up the shudder stops immediately.  I'm thinking I might have to turn it down just a tad because it really could scald someone who wasn't expecting it.  Ack..never, ever in my life have I had a problem with a water heater..until one went completely out.  Now I know why people say living in an old house has charm and character..but also many, many problems.  Trouble is, it's a rental I'm not one to bug a landlord for little things that I can fix myself.  I've already bought a new cookstove, (to replace an ancient Wedgewood) a new toilet seat, a wireless doorbell, and sprayed for bugs around the front porch.

I'm the kind of renter I always wanted when I had rentals.  :-)

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