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About that plan that was going to be proposed...
It looks like the President has already begun to implement his New Way Forward, which looks remarkably like the old way. Since we've had a surge in troop levels 5 times already, I'm not sure what this one hopes to accomplish. But the more important aspect was that everyone had decided to at least Bush make his case before they passed judgment. Unfortunately, he's decided to launch his plan before the announcement.
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/I... As for the speech tonight, here are the advance snippets. I guess now they're just working out how they are going to change the tense. http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007... If anyone ever asks me again to hold off on criticism, it will fall on deaf ears. 50 comments from 10 users
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posted by
TomW
on Jan 10, 2007 at 03:01 PM
posted by
mattloch
on Jan 10, 2007 at 03:04 PM
posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 10, 2007 at 03:04 PM
posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 10, 2007 at 03:06 PM
posted by
tkozy
on Jan 10, 2007 at 03:07 PM
It must be difficult for Bush Jr. to fall from stardom AGAIN. The disasters left in the wake of this mans life, will not be exceeded for quite sometime. If only the costs could be counted in cash. NOT BLOOD.. The man America elected. Because he was the type of character, they would most like to sit down and have a drink with. Got drunk with power. And headed our nation into a train wreck. posted by
mattloch
on Jan 10, 2007 at 03:10 PM
posted by
TomW
on Jan 10, 2007 at 03:16 PM
posted by
robbwillis
on Jan 10, 2007 at 03:16 PM
posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 10, 2007 at 03:16 PM
posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 10, 2007 at 03:18 PM
posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jan 10, 2007 at 04:04 PM
posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 10, 2007 at 04:09 PM
posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jan 10, 2007 at 04:13 PM
posted by
mattloch
on Jan 10, 2007 at 04:16 PM
posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 10, 2007 at 04:16 PM
Ha. You used "Bush" and "think" in the same sentence. You have to take a drink now. In fact, I think *I* will... . The reported reason for going with a "surge"? It makes Bush's Plan seem different from the Iraq Study Group's.* If only they'd concluded, "whatever you do, don't pull the troops out right away"--we'd see the first of 'em home by now. . *(I used "Bush" and "plan" in the same sentence. Time for another drink...) posted by
mattloch
on Jan 10, 2007 at 04:19 PM
posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 10, 2007 at 04:28 PM
Not directly, perhaps, Mattloch. But some who *WOULD* have been coming home from Afghanistan will be going to Iraq instead. And who'll replace them? We're not exactly robbing Peter to pay Paul; just stiffing Peter to make it *LOOK* like we're going to pay Paul.
There's a bit of timing involved, I understand. We're entering into a traditionally slower season of the war in Iraq now, (March is particularly low) which will make the surge tactic look better than it really is. But the Afghan Taliban are supposed to be gearing up to retake Kandahar. Looks like at least *SOME* will be going direct from Afghanistan to Iraq, though: posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 10, 2007 at 04:29 PM
posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 10, 2007 at 04:32 PM
January 11, 2007 Gather with us at the Southwest Bakersfield military recruiting center to give vocal opposition to Bush's (expected) announcement of a massive troop "surge." We will be standing on the sidewalk near the gigantic yellow traffic signs, at the entrance to the parking lot. posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jan 10, 2007 at 04:32 PM
posted by
mattloch
on Jan 10, 2007 at 04:53 PM
posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 10, 2007 at 04:54 PM
posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 10, 2007 at 05:25 PM
posted by
marsh
on Jan 10, 2007 at 06:51 PM
posted by
Nateov
on Jan 10, 2007 at 07:13 PM
You forgot that "Bush" is an acronym for Bu _ _ SH _ _ ! That is what his speech is. But, also remember (or be aware of) the fact that every years we have had additional troops sent for the "Spring Offensive". This happens mostly in Afghanistan (Operation Enduring Freedom) and somewhat in Iraq (Operation Iraqi Freedumb). Interesting that we went to Iraq due to WMD. (Operation Desert _ _ _ _ ) Then, after extensive searching it was changed to Operation Iraq Freedom). Now it is getting another new name. Still the same incompetent "Commander-In-Chief". posted by
blognroll
on Jan 10, 2007 at 10:47 PM
Hello everybody. It seems like conservatives are too afraid and intimidated to make comments under this blog, so, I'll stick my neck out, in the interest of preventing any movement in the direction of liberal groupthink. That being said, I'm not really feeling very assertive, and must acknowledge that the situation in Iraq is a collosal mess. I've been listening to the talking heads at Fox news and CNN reporting that Reid, Pelosi and other key democrats who now stand in fierce opposition to the surge proposed by the President, have all been on record supporting such a surge at one point in the not-to-distant past. Have any of you done a fact-check on this proclamation? Is this a bold-faced lie, or did these key democrats flip flop on the issue, as it is being repeatedly asserted by folks on the right? posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 10, 2007 at 11:01 PM
He said "again" he was going to hold the Iraqi government to benchmarks before he does anything, which is probably a good idea since he can't really pull that many troops out of his behind any time soon. Then I heard the month of November mentioned and I lost all hope that anything was going to change this year. Who cares what the dem's believe? They don't have the power of making foreign policy Bush does. They just fund it. Bush has squirrled away enough money to pay for whatever he wants to do for quite awhile. Barney Frank said it the other night. If they maintain the status quo on financing..Bush can do as he has always done..borrow money to pay for this war. Speaking of money..the support structure for 20k in troops isn't a drop in the bucket. Arms, tanks, food, housing..its not a lot of people, but its a good amount of money my dear taxpayers...and its not budgeted for..none of the war has been so far. Its been funded by emergency bills and amendments. posted by
blognroll
on Jan 10, 2007 at 11:07 PM
posted by
TomW
on Jan 11, 2007 at 12:44 AM
Doc, I don't think conservatives are afraid to post here. I just think there's not a lot to say. Is there anyone out there who thinks 40,000 more boots on the ground is going to do the trick? Bush finally seems to have gotten to the point where liberals were two or three years ago. He's now lost his the rabid part of his base with his speech tonight and acknowledged that more soldiers are going to die and that at this point, there is never going to be a parade, no battleship ceremony, no moment at the end of the game where the big boss is killed, we get the girl and the credits roll. This is all bad from here on out, as his speech acknowledged. Now the question is: can we put things together for enough time to get out? posted by
mattloch
on Jan 11, 2007 at 08:19 AM
posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jan 11, 2007 at 09:15 AM
If some conservatives are afraid to post here, that's their problem. I'll admit that we tend to pick on some people, but generally it's only the ones that come here to spew BS and insult us or liberals in general rather than voice their opinion. Once they get past that they don't get picked on anymore. It's really that simple. I actually welcome other points of view, but not if they are full of insulting remarks. I still can't figure out why some conservatives feel like that's how they should act. posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 11, 2007 at 09:52 AM
BLT, those who assert have the burden of proof. That said, I think you can "cherry-pick" statements from each politician that there weren't enough troops sent in the first place, or even that more *SHOULD HAVE BEEN SENT*, but that's not the same as supporting a temporary escalation like this one. Because it *MUST* be temporary, we can't sustain it. . Saying more should have been sent, in this context, is something like saying "well, if you *WANT* to burn your house down, I don't think you've splashed enough gasoline around yet..." . This is a delaying tactic. Two or three more Friedman Units from now, this all becomes someone else's problem. That's all Bush is after now.
posted by
blognroll
on Jan 11, 2007 at 11:03 AM
Repeating oneself is probably not much different than doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, but I believe I've already said similar words below another post here: A radically new strategy, especially in a time in which there doesn't seem to be a light at the end of the tunnel, may seem "sexy," but most of the time, simply slightly tweaking an existing plan, to make it more likely to succeed, is the best option we are left with. As I also mentioned before, though it's tempting, abruptly pulling out of a war we probably shouldn't have gotten into in the first place, will only leave the Iraqis in a dangerously vulnerable state. It's not an option, just a convenient piece of territory upon which politicians are engaging in political posturing. posted by
mattloch
on Jan 11, 2007 at 11:49 AM
posted by
blognroll
on Jan 11, 2007 at 01:50 PM
posted by
mattloch
on Jan 11, 2007 at 02:39 PM
posted by
blognroll
on Jan 11, 2007 at 03:23 PM
What is the alternative but to trust the president's plan? Like I just said under another blog post, the United States was the mid-wife that helped deliver the fragile democracy in Iraq. We can't just abandon that weak, sickly "child," now, can we? And it's far too late to "abort" that "child." It would bring a whole new meaning to term, "late-term abortion." The votes are not there, and the public support for a draft is not there. Try to convince the American people and the government that a draft is a good idea. If you can do it, more power to you. You seem to be suggesting that a perpetual war is a neocon's dream. But how is it in the best interest of the present administration to sit in sinking sand? Do you think that not winning will win them votes? What do they possibly have to gain by never making any progress in this war? posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 11, 2007 at 03:28 PM
The alternative: Get him the hell out of the loop! Bush *IS* the problem at this point. I fear he *IS* planning to make the situation so much worse in the near future (attacking Iran) that a draft will be inevitable. . It's *NOT* too late to get out. There are valid reasons for performing "late-term abortions," and those reasons all boil down to one: the alternative is worse. . I've got a ten-step-or-so program for Iraq, with the first four steps up to the Shrub. Step #4 is Bush's resignation. (He's already accomplished Step #1.) posted by
TomW
on Jan 11, 2007 at 03:28 PM
posted by
mattloch
on Jan 11, 2007 at 03:30 PM
posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 11, 2007 at 03:33 PM
posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 11, 2007 at 03:35 PM
posted by
blognroll
on Jan 11, 2007 at 03:37 PM
I respectfully disagree. The midwife of civil war is hatred between rivaling factions in the region, Tom. I'm not on board with the "Blame America First," policy. Furthermore, the seeds of civil war in the region were actually planted hundreds, no, actually thousands of years ago. We did not plant the seeds, and we did not nurture the seeds. We tried, so far, without much success, to crush the seeds that grew the virulent weeds, and to plant a garden of beautiful flowers. Random, when Bush is gone, and it won't be too long, you are in for a big surprise. You'll find that the world will continue to have more than its share of problems, and eventually you will find another conservative to blame. Mattloch, for your plan to work, it has to have support. Without support, no plan will work. Furthermore, conventional military wisdom suggests that one soldier is all that is needed for 50 foes. With the additional forces, that ratio will be met. If the soldiers are used wisely, and if those variables that may not be within our direct control work in our favor, we may succeed this time around.
posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 11, 2007 at 03:39 PM
BLT, what kept civil war from popping up about five years ago in Iraq? Surely something changed between then and now. What was it? . When Bush is gone, it won't be too soon. posted by
TomW
on Jan 11, 2007 at 03:43 PM
posted by
blognroll
on Jan 11, 2007 at 03:50 PM
posted by
TomW
on Jan 11, 2007 at 04:24 PM
Bush wanted to build a house. He drew up a rough sketch of what it should look like and where he wanted it. But there was another house there already. People suggested he buy that house or find another location, but he instead just went and bulldozed the one that was there. Others said that it was going to be hard since the soil wasn't very solid, but he didn't listen. So then he goes in and starts clearing stuff out of the way, but the people who own the land are trying to build their house there as well. And now that the house is gone, other people have started to declare rights to the land. But Bush keeps plodding along. So then people say you should at least get permission from the city but he doesn't. Now he's trying to build on someone else's land without permits or the support of the community. So some people say, OK, if you're going to do this, you need to get a huge crew and just put the sucker up and deal with the fines later. But instead he decides to go with a small crew. So people say, ok, but you may need to change the plans then because the longer this goes on, the harder it will be. But he ignores them as well. As the house goes up, he starts doing things backwards, putting up sheetrock before he puts in plumbing. Contractors come in and get fired because they won't do it his way. In the meantime, the neighbors have started to get mad, the old owners are mad and the city is mad. And still he plods along. So here we are, in the middle of a project that has been botched from the start with a contractor who won't listen to his subs, spending millions for people to put stuff up that they have to tear down, and all some people can focus on is their vision of what the finished house will look like. Here's the real kicker: Every engineer who has looked at his plans say the final product will not be structurally sound. posted by
blognroll
on Jan 11, 2007 at 04:42 PM
posted by
blognroll
on Jan 11, 2007 at 07:49 PM
posted by
mattloch
on Jan 12, 2007 at 11:26 AM
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