I thought these comments were interesting.

freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2277710/posts#comme nt

I know, I know. "Consider the source ...  "

We've seen almost all those points be brought up by certain posters in the other health care threads. Which makes me wonder, which conservative "entertainers" are pounding the pavement to convince people these myths are true?

Thanks for this, Adam.  Good roundup.

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I thought these comments were interesting.

In the sense of "completely devoid of rational thought." 

Comparing AARP to al Qaeda and wistfully saying you can't shoot AARP members?  Claiming that the President of the United States is "a useless big-eared chimp"?  (Didn't they hear Shrub's no longer in office?)

AARP has been, and continues to be, one of the most liberal organizations in the country.

What's the hurry anyway?  Why doesn't the reformed smoker who still smokes show us that he can fix veterans health care and Indian Reservation health care first?  He has yet to show how he will honestly pay for it all.

 What's the hurry anyway?  Why doesn't the reformed smoker who still smokes show us that he can fix veterans health care and Indian Reservation health care first?

They're not in as much need of reform as the private sector is.  As to paying for it, we're paying for it *NOW*.  More and more and more every month.  The total cost, the CBO said, is less than Shrub paid his cronies in tax breaks, and we got *NUTTIN* out of that.

Vanity, the comments from your link are really sad, and extremely xenophobic. There is not one fact that is given to rebut any of the information AARP provided. The only thing the commentors had to say was what a commie-pinko organization AARP was. Those comments are pathetic.

Here is a very recent executive summary from EPI on who the uninsured are, and how that potentially affects the cost numbers being assumed under the most dire of scenarios.

Former CBO Director and Member of the President's Council of Economic Advisors' Authors New Report Titled "Who are the Uninsured?"

WASHINGTON, June 23 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Today the Employment Policies Institute (EPI) released a new study which shows that the widely employed estimate of 47 million uninsured Americans is a misleading representation of the problem. The study, authored by Drs. June and David O'Neill of Baruch College and City University of New York, shows that more than 43 percent, or 18 million, of uninsured Americans ages 18-64 could likely afford health coverage and are actually "voluntarily uninsured." June O'Neill served as Director of the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) from 1995-1999.

Current policy proposals dramatically overestimate the cost of providing affordable health insurance for those Americans who currently cannot afford coverage due to a lack of understanding of who the involuntarily uninsured population is, why they lack coverage, and the amount of health care resources that they currently access. With greater understanding and recognition of the diversity within the uninsured population, the goal of providing affordable health insurance to all Americans should be possible with solutions that cost far less than the CBO's estimated figure of $1.6 trillion for implementing recent congressional proposals that would only address two-thirds of the problem.

"We urge policymakers not to rush the healthcare debate. This study shows that we need to better understand American's uninsured population and the factors affecting both coverage and access to care," said study author Dr. O'Neill. "This new information about the current uninsured population will increase policymakers' power to target those truly 'at risk,' provide the best coverage and health care access options for each population and decrease the cost of covering the uninsured."

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The uninsured population also varies dramatically from state to state. For example, thirty percent of Texas residents are uninsured, compared to 18 percent of New York and 13 percent of D.C. residents. Three states (Texas, Florida and California) make up a third of the uninsured population.

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Here is a link to the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation study on the uninsured.

adampayne, I said I found those comments "interesting" and even acknowledged they were posted on an extremely biased blog. Nothing more, nothing less. Just a snapshot of how others felt about the article. 

I have a horse in this race, as you might recall. I'm extremely pissed off at Blue Cross and if I can find the energy and motivation to get my papers in order amidst the chaos that has enveloped my life, a lawsuit will be filed. 

Meow, Random. Whatever.

And Shwaine, you guys need to get past the fantasy that the conservative "entertainers" are programming brains.

Supposing the AARP IS a Liberal foil, secretly stumping for causes whether or not they benefit the elderly, what about the 8 myths posted? Do the detractors have a response to the content of the post?

"They're not in as much need of reform as the private sector is."

Maybe you were in Argentina or some place when I posted this before, RF, but this report seems to disagree with your statement.  I'm not sure how you judge needs, but I think little Indian girl's dying from lack of proper medical care is a bigger need than changing mine around.

Once my dad stops repeating Rush, Inga and other entertainers verbatim, then I'll get over that particular "fantasy".

Well, then keep it in the family and don't paint with such a broad brush to include ALL conservatives. You usually are pretty cool about not generalizing. 

vanityfair: in a thread in which you take up the (righteous) cause about being careful with generalizations, you include the phrase "you guys need to get over..."

Unless I missed something, isn't that a generalization? A generalization, in fact, as egregious as the one you are complaining about?

I never said all conservatives believed the entertainers, just wondering which entertainers are pushing it because I personally know conservatives who buy their tripe hook, line and sinker. And facts like this article will rarely counteract the emotional ploys the entertainers employ. Facts combined with pointing out the ploys on the other hand are more likely to work.

this is your most interesting post....oh yeah you copied it ......

 In fact, researchers at Dartmouth College have found that patients who receive more care actually fare worse than those who receive less care.   

And Obamacare will be less care.  And if you're old, it'll be even less (how else to explain the 0.4% increase from old people).  Big Brother will do cost benefit analysis.  Example: Your surgery/treatment will cost x dollars and you're 60 years old.  Nope.  The payout with your life expectancy and the future tax contributions you will make will not make it. Here's some pain killers, make yourself comfortable.  

With trillion dollar deficits, rationing will be the norm.

Except for the rich and politically connected.   

Okay, dirtyshirt, I can be more specific. When I addressed "you guys" I meant ProgressivePete, tkozy, randomfactor, TSM, and the latest version of TrickyNicky now known as njallssaga. And pretty much anyone else who constantly whines about talk show hosts. I didn't address or mention any political party or ideology. 

Shwaine, I see your point.

"And Obamacare will be less care.  And if you're old, it'll be even less (how else to explain the 0.4% increase from old people).  Big Brother will do cost benefit analysis.  Example: Your surgery/treatment will cost x dollars and you're 60 years old.  Nope.  The payout with your life expectancy and the future tax contributions you will make will not make it. Here's some pain killers, make yourself comfortable.  "

drliftncrude: if I shared your fantasies and abhorrence for reading, I think I would be a conservative like you.

If I were posting a blog about the importance of the first amendment while cowardly blocking people from commenting, I'd probably be a liberal like you.

I wonder how many of the opponents of health care are currently spending a minimum of 1/4-1/3+ of their monthly gross income on medical bills above and beyond their premiums.  How many have been bankrupted by medical bills?

I'm sure that you would have a different perspective at that point.

As a card carrying member of AARP(my ex turned 50 in 1999 and we are still legally married), I assure you it is a VERY liberal organization. Ed Asner is one of their heros, They had big ads for, and were supporters of Clinton,Gore, Kerry and Obama. All liberals if memory serves. I have never seen anything in their magazine that supports or agrees with any conservative stance. That said, I still utilize the discounts they offer and I feel about as guilty for it as an illegal alien in an ER waiting room.

Thanks adam for posting this. 

It helps to see all sides of this issue.

AARP~ who knew? A bunch of liberal weirdos? Guess I should re-join.....

I quit when they sold us old folks down the river during President Bush's tenure.

They had big ads for, and were supporters of Clinton,Gore, Kerry and Obama. All liberals if memory serves

You'll want to get your memory checked next time you go to the doctor.

Clinton was no liberal and Obama is proving to be not a liberal.

And AARP is pragmatic, not liberal.  They support issues that benefit their members, which just so happen to be causes conservatives are against.

Here's something I always laugh about:

A study was done where people were asked questions about issues without bringing political leanings into the questions.  The study found that people who consider themselves conservative actually supported liberal causes.

Conservatives are actually closet liberals.

An honest question for those against any kind of government insurance plan.

Do you buy your own private medical insurance? Yes or no.

If the answer is yes, how much does it cost per month, what's the deductible, and are you satisfied with the coverage you get for the money paid?