Yep, it's a communistic county....

Hej  Buck wasn`t gay...ask Bonnie

Yeah, and Kathie Lee Gifford was tsk tsking Kern County on the Today show yesterday.  When that silly wabbit publicly denounces us, you KNOW we're pathetic.

Welcome to Kern County.  Please set your watch back 50 years.

Sorry, I meant Merle....

I'd rather live in 1958 than 2008.

Random...how dare you..you are really out of line....it`s more like 60 years...you know "happy days" type thing.....

I like to think of it as right on the cusp of changing...

I wouldn't, Frankie.  We've made lots of progress in lots of ways.

Keep the faith...economics and reality will work wonders

You kiddin' me?  I'd rather deal with Eddie Haskell than Mr. Gangbanger.

And I'd rather deal with Eisenhower than Shrub.  But I *LIKE* having antibiotics, and the world wide web, and spaceflight, and civil rights for blacks, and marriage rights for gays.

And I'd rather live in today where child and spousal abuse isn't tolerated with a wink and a nod.

Keep your perspective when reminiscing about the past.  It's easy to forget about its bad things when pining for its good things.

The Pubilc Hearing is on the radio now.  If somebody says, "the bible says Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" i'll die laughung.

Bible allusions always make me laugh, too, Frankie. 

Apollo, bad things back then yes, worse things now.  tell me i'm wrong.

You're wrong.

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What do you think is worse now?  I can think of some things that are worse now, but add them all up, and I would not trade today for 50 years ago.

Random, picture the guy that used to do the dodge HEMI commercials at the hearing doing the Adam & Steve line.

More "mainstream Media" .. gotta sell sell sell... more people and probabaly the same % of the offenses but just greater reported and hyped by the "mainstream Media"...gotta throw those smoke screens up to confuse the real issues you are dealing with now from "out there in the world"....

Okay, I'm with Random on the modern medicine part.  I got what they used to call "child birth fever"--a systemic infection, when my son was born.  50 years ago it likely would've killed me.  I prefer the here and now, if only for the modern medicine part.

Apollo, i'm not saying it was perfect back then.  I mean, i think it was just an overall safer, simpler, easier time.  Children could walk to the park or a freind's house without the worry we have today, for example.  I agree a lot of progress has been made but in my opinion we have lost a lot as well.  my 2 cents.

I see what you're saying. 

I agree with you about the simpler and easier life.  So many of the things that we have invented to supposedly simplify our lives have complicated them and made them ore expensive and difficult to maintain instead.

I'm pretty sure things were much easier in the 50's for adult white males.  Others, I'm not so sure.

I agree a lot of progress has been made.  Did you see that part?

Women's lib totally screwed up the "family" unit. It forced those of us who wanted to stay home to have to go to work because our husband's salaries no longer covered all the household expenses, unless we didn't want anything extra for ourselves or our kids. Then because there were two salaries in the household, our kids no longer qualified for certain government funds to attend college thereby forcing the family unit and the student to beg & borrow for money so our kids could attend college, as well as the student working 1-2 jobs. The poor got it free and the rich didn't care.

Gone are the neighborhood protections for our kids - lights are on but nobody is home and if they are home they could care less. Gone is the leaving the doors & windows open during the summer for the breeze & fresh air. Gone is the fresh air. Gone is the innocence of childhood - hell childhood itself is gone.

Gee, I had no idea "women's lib" pushed up the cost of living so much.  I thought it was Republican policies.

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"Women's lib" is the dangerously radical notion that women count as people, too...  As the father of two females and the spouse of another, I'm all fer it.

Someone needs to inform Mr. Haslam I care about a Free Tibet. The prayer flags I fly are dedicated to that very idea.

Women's lib pushed up prices of everything as when they all got jobs there was then more to spend - more to spend up the ante on consumer goods. Raise the minimum wage (so a family of four+ can live on it) raise the cost of consumer goods. I can understand divorced mom needing to work (mine was one of them) but in the 50's & 60's moms who had husbands could stay home and monitor the little dumplings when they got home from school. Because my mom worked, the other moms on the block looked out for us AND monitored OUR behavior until our mom got home.

My daughter has 3 degrees, and more power to her, and she is a stay at home mom of 2 boys. She is one of the lucky few who have a husband who makes the big bucks and she can afford to stay home.

Latchkey kids - in more and more trouble as there is no one home to monitor what goes on thereby raising the cost for law enforcement, including jail facilities because these kids run amuck. Then there are the gangs and pregnant teens - because no one is home to teach them responsibility. IF there is someone home now days it is probably a welfare mom who doesn't give a snap!.  Schools now have DAY CARE for teen mommies - what happened to "it is shameful" to even show up at school like that let alone bring the little dumpling to HS with you?

IMO..................if you have children..............stay home with them!!!!!  I have noticed that the "women's libbers" are now having late in life babies AND deciding to stay home!!  What a hoot!!

Are you saying it takes a village to raise a child?  If Hillary Clinton said something outrageous like that, the screaming from the right would be deafening.  Wait...

ROSEMARY:  Doesn't take a "villiage" just people who care about their neighbors - WHICH IS SORELY LACKING IN "TODAY'S" WORLD!

Neighbors used to always put together a pot luck for the newbies moving in. Take little ones to their homes so the parents could get things settled. Introductions all around. Not any more. It is now a me me me first, throw away society and it sucks.

When they all got jobs they increased productivity too.  It balances out.  Prices are rising right now...is there an influx in the workforce?  Actually, we're losing jobs by the minute.

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The country (and world) have big problems.  We can't afford to keep half of our population--and arguably the better half--away from finding the solutions.

Witters, women's liberation had nothing to do with prices going up. Much of the 1960s inflation was fueled by the Viet Nam War and the lifting, or elimination, of many of the price controls in the late 1950s that were an outgrowth of WWII economic policies. Further, it was the women who for the first time in American history were allowed to enter the workforce during WWII that rebelled against the forced isolation of being stay at home mothers. The other fact that really set women on the way to more equality was birth control, which entered the world during the 1960s and freed females from the vicious cycle of unending pregnancy.

Economic policies fueled inflation, not  the women's movement towards equality.  Fear not however, because today you are still paid  25% less than your male counter part and there is no push to revive the ERA.

RF: Increased productivity is not necessarily a good thing. We now have more people on anti-depressants and doing a stress/emotional crash & burn because we are expected to now be going at warp speed just to keep up.  More & more people have no clue WHAT or WHO their kids or families are because they are so busy being productive they "don't have the time" to "mess with that".  Text me, email me, call me on my cell while I'm rushing to be productive. I have kids? Damn forgot about that. What's for dinner? Mom goes through a drive through, productively rushes home, plunks fast food on table WHILE continuing to be productive on her cell. Dad rushes in grabs food and heads to home "office" to continue to be productive. Kids zoom by on skateboards to grab food and go to "a friends house" - more likely a booze party as the friends' parents are too busy being productive to even know what's going on in their own house. Just don't bother them while they are being productive.

ADAM: Women's lib, IMO, contributed greatly to what is happening now. I understand the WWII situation. I have no problem with women wanting to get educated and utilizing that education. That said, if these same women have children then, again IMO, they need to stay home with them.  Why bother to have a child then when it is 6 weeks old hand that child over to somebody you probably don't really know so you can go earn the money to pay THAT person!!!

you are still paid  25% less than your male counter part and there is no push to revive the ERA.

Just another reason for moms to stay home with kids. Make 25% less then also get to pay someone else to watch and teach your kids - sure makes sense to me.!!!!!

Here's why same-sex marriages are a threat to heterosexual marriages:  They're better at it than we are.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008...

 R.F.:  LOL LOL LOL!!!!!!!

"Randy Thomasson of Campaign for Children and Families said the county can pass the ordinance and stop all marriage licenses. "...heh heh heh,see where this is heading? 

Witters~ Women's lib is the problem? Really? you must be forgetting the "we can have it all " years of bring Super-Woman. I agree that being with your child is very important~ beyond  important it is vital. What folks need to recognize is that some women do not have children,some are single parents,some widowed...allowing 1/2 of the world equal status is not a bad thing.

Back to the topic~ the county has to realize that we are part of California.Allow the process to continue.Stopping marriage will only subject us to law suits, and spending money we do not have.

I can see parts of the truth in both sides of this debate.

Witters, I agree that increasing productivity to no end has not been good for us.  Everyone wants more for less; bosses want more work for less, we want more goods for less, we want everything to be bigger, better, and yet cheaper than it was last year.  This cannot continue forever.

However, women's liberation is not the blame.  The people who want to blame this on women's lib are not our friends.  I believe they see it as a scapegoat to re-establish supremacy over us.

Losing sight of the simple life is what is doing it to us.  Losing access to the last remaining threads of true self-sufficiency is what is doing it to us.  Very few of us are truly self-sufficient anymore; the lives of each and every one of us is in the hands of the ability and willingness of others to provide services that (we think) we can't live without, and create the jobs that permit us to obtain our living needs.

If there is a sunny side to the spiraling energy costs of today, it will be to draw us all a little closer to the simpler and more self-sufficient lives that you and I are old enough to remember.

Once you have a marriage license in any California County, you can marry anywhere in the state.  Hop on the I-5 and get a license in LA, then come back and tie the knot in front of Barnett's office.

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They ain't stopping anyone.  Just making it harder for everyone.

(For what it's worth, LA may require 2 trips, one to apply and one to pick up license the next day.)

My ex was the original womens libber.  He thought women should do anything they're big enough and smart enough to do.  Including all his finish electrical work and any construction and ranch work he could get her (me) to do.  Insulating?  Painting?  Hanging new light fixtures?  ..he was behind me all the way.  Waaaaaaaay behind me. 

Nancy, there are some tree stumps that need to be taken out, and...

HA...I retired from all that too.    I woke up one day and thought hey...why am I doing all this for someone elses benefit?

And so..I don't.  I'll put you in touch with a handyMAN JBS....lol.