"I swear, it was water in the cup when we sold it to them!"

So are you saying that the Californian's policy now thinks it is that  OK to post offensive material about other peoples religions? 

Why wouldn't it be, Wayfarer?  It's an official press release from the BPD.

Probably not. It is no laughing matter to sell alcohol to minors.

I really can't believe Believers in Jesus church was selling alcohol at the fair.  I just wrote this on another blog.  I mean, isn't that hypocrisy(sp?)?

Looks like your gripe is with clearchannel ,if it's the sign that offends you, Way.

Sage, I'm pretty sure that's a photoshop job.

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God who cares! when I was 12 I knew how to get alcohol if I wanted it. Why are we wasting tax money on this?

An utterly offensive caption and picture the only purpose of such a cheap shot being to attract attention to the poster. He certainly got mine.

So are you saying that the Californian's policy now thinks it is that OK to post offensive material about other peoples religions?

Why not? Are you something special because of your religious beliefs?

I thought so RF~ now your spoiling my fun! There goes that letter written to express "outrage".

Does everyone know that laughter,especially at yourself ,is healthy?

we're taking down the picture of the billboard. it was meant to be harmless, but it didn't really have anything to do with the news release.

here's some more info on it, and a picture if you still want to see it or want to know what some portions of this discussion were about.

Awww,but interesting bit about the sign...

"It's pretty obvious that when someone mentions God and money in the same breath, it is obvious what the focus is."

 I can't remember who said that first.

That sign is a work of *ART*.  Just like the Chocolate Jesus.

The next time a Pagan gets his/her head hacked off,I wonder how my complaints will be taken? 

And now we have 12 year olds getting drunk, stealing cars, and taking on the police (CHP) head on during a pursuit.  Being that you think it is a "waste of time" I am thinking you let your kids drink, drive, and break other laws.  I bet if that drunk 12 year old stole your car you would not think programs like this are a waste of time.  Ask a DUI victims family if they think it is a waste of time.

 I mean, isn't that hypocrisy(sp?)?

How's it hypocrisy?  Jesus turned water into wine during a wedding.

Reno... your correlatives are horrid. In case you didn't know this, drinking an young ages actually decreases the chance of DUI. Look at the comparative statistics from any european country with a drinking age of 16. So how is it that this has ANYTHING to do with drunk driving? A 12 year old behind the wheel isnt a problem unless they are drunk? BS.

If a drunk 12 year old stole my car and I changed my mind I would be a reactionary tool like the members of MADD, and would lose any right to an opinion.  

So Tridge you think drinking and crime are not related?  Maybe not in "any european country" where the kids drink wine like it is milk with dinner.  They are raised with a respect for alcoholic beverages.  The children of the good ol' USA have a different view on the use of alcohol.  They see it as a way of rebelion.  It is against the law for a person under the age of 21 to consume alcohol in the state of California.  Therefore if a person under the age of 21 is in possession of or under the influence of alcohol said person is in violation of the law.  As far a decreasing the chances of DUI, I don't think so.  If that were the case in the USA then why are there so many laws regarding juveniles and the consuption of alcohol?

So, you are probably wondering how is this all related?  Well, if a person under the age of 21 is at an establishment which serves alcohol, and the establisment serves alcohol to the minor, and the minor goes out to the parking lot, gets into a vehicle, drives away from the establishment, and causes an accident, several violations of the law have occured.  Not only is the juvenile in trouble, the bartender, the business owner, and the server have all violated the law.  The law is probably the least of everyones problems because the civil actions will make the law violations seem very minor.  So now we have dealt with the law and civil actions, what about the medical bills for the victims involved in the accident?  All of this adds up to money.  What cost more?  An undercover operation which tries to deter under age drinking, or the cost of all the attorneys, judges, doctors, and police officers it takes to handle one juvenile alcohol related incident?  I believe trying to prevent the incident will be the most cost effective, therefore saving your tax dollars for some other pork barrel project.

Does anyone know if minors not used by "operation decoy" were  actually buying beer.

I hate to point out the obvious, but were kids drinking at the fair? Or,  are we talking about a clandestine operation that happen to net arrests of unsuspecting closet criminals?

We actually pay for that stuff. It's good overtime for some. Good volunteer experience in the art of acting and manipulating for others.

But was it a good thing? What did the operation target? Is B-town better off because of it?

--virgil

The undercover operation at the Kern County Fair focused on three different violations.  Businesses selling alcohol to minors, minors solicitiing adults to purchase alcohol for them, and minors in possession of alcohol.

Four bussinessess were cited for serving minors.  Seven persons were cited during the "shoulder tap" operation.  21 minors were arrested for being in possession of alcohol and 12 persons were arrested for furnishing alcohol to a minor.

I believe the whole purpose of these types of operations is to raise awareness among retailers and the public.  Is Bakersfield better off because of this?  There is really no way to know; however, there is a chance this operation saved a life, kept a kid out of jail, and made the fair a somewhat safer enviornment for the people attending. 

"The undercover operation at the Kern County Fair focused on three different violations.  Businesses selling alcohol to minors, minors solicitiing adults to purchase alcohol for them, and minors in possession of alcohol."

We have laws against minors in possession,  etc. - you observe it, you address it. Undercover operations creates it: that is, sets up the conditions for those things to happen.

With all due respect to you, do you think it  was fun for those who went undercover?

--vrigil

I don't know.  Is your job fun?

"Is your job fun"

just asking....

By the way,  undercover decoys are not paid. It's not a job - they volunteer and are supervised by paid law enforcement. My bet...overtime for the paid officer, fun time for the teenage decoy.

It's a dirty business but  I suppose someone's gotta do it, huh...

The things we are teaching our youth these days. Makes me fear for the future.

--virgil

On that same line of thinking, in Africa it does not take much to turn a teenager into a rapacious solider capable of the worst kind of inhman brutality...

Law enforcement should leave our children alone. 

--virgil