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Now who has God on their side?
Thanks to Truxtun Avenue for uncovering this tidbit in the ongoing saga of Rob Badewitz and Ken Mettler, two passionate individuals whose paths crossed on a Bakersfield street corner Friday night. "Rob Badewitz, 21, who is filing possible hate crime charges against Kern High School District Trustee Ken Mettler for being punched and kicked at a Proposition 8 protest, became an ordained minister on Tuesday." 11 comments from 7 users
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posted by
michele1075
on Oct 29, 2008 at 11:05 AM
posted by
randomfactor
on Oct 29, 2008 at 11:25 AM
posted by
gopherbro
on Oct 29, 2008 at 11:57 AM
Go to the California Constitution, here: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/c... Do a wordsearch for "God". Guess what! He's not mentioned at all. That is because California is a secular state in which religion and government are separated. This is not a religious issue except for those who use religion to promote discrimination. This is a civil rights issue and should be treated as such.
posted by
zapped
on Oct 29, 2008 at 12:06 PM
Do a wordsearch for "God" Do a word search for "religion". Plenty of mentions there. Those who try to separate morality from politics are simply trying to replace it with their own.posted by
randomfactor
on Oct 29, 2008 at 12:20 PM
If you call two mentions in a 110-page document "plenty." Those who try to put their own church's dogma into the Constitution are simply trying to force their beliefs on others because they cannot justify them logically. posted by
dgrealish
on Oct 29, 2008 at 12:23 PM
Very well spoken: In an interview with Truxtun Avenue, Badewitz said he became an ordained minister because he wanted to handle marriages, baptisms and perform house blessings. "I've believed in that stuff for a long time," he said. posted by
randomfactor
on Oct 29, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Good for him. I was married by a similarly-ordained minister--and it has the same validity as any priest or rabbi. In fact, I may go and get my ordination set up this week. posted by
sagefever
on Oct 29, 2008 at 12:43 PM
posted by
randomfactor
on Oct 29, 2008 at 12:47 PM
Looked into it before; I was hoping to get my theology spelled out first. But I guess a religion is an evolutionary entity... posted by
zapped
on Oct 29, 2008 at 02:47 PM
"If you call two mentions in a 110-page document "plenty." Those who try to put their own church's dogma into the Constitution are simply trying to force their beliefs on others because they cannot justify them logically."
2? You and I are using completely different search queries. There are plenty of agnostics and atheists who don't who don't believe Gay Marriage is a civil right. What do you say to them? Church Dogma also advocated social justice at a time when actual oppression was the norm in this country. Are you saying they couldn't justify those stances logically? posted by
swright2
on Oct 29, 2008 at 08:53 PM
So where was this guy on the video from the weekend? Because this newly Ordained Minister is not the guy everyone saw on the video over the weekend. The actions I saw were not the actions of a Mature level headed person portrayed in this new interview with the media. Maybe its the old philosophy, "I found God, I certainly could not be responsible for any criminal act or be party to one". A complete transformation of demeanor and dress attire should be a Huge Red Flag............. I am curious as to how this 21 year old is filing charges on his own behalf for a Hate Crime. Is he filing a Civil Rights Violation case in Bakersfield where there is no Federal Criminal Court House? Or is he just using big words for which he has no understanding of what the Hate Crime allegation must contain with elements depicting a crime has happened. This video resembles the old file footage from the Peaceful demonstrations back in the 60's and early 70's where the demonstrators were breaking the law violating other peoples civil rights and assaulting people for not agreeing with their point of view. People were verbally abusive and severely physically abusive just like the weekend video. Nothing like a nice soon-to-be Minister hanging with the F-bomb crowd who gets severely enraged by someone walking along and picking up signs that have been vandalized. Vandalized by someone or group of someones that were against what the vandalized signs were advertising. The same location the Peaceful protesters were hanging out all night until they were accosted by mean ol' Ken Mettler. Give me a break.................. Everyone who has a brain saw the crowd mentality that was en-cited by a few people in this peaceful group of protesters. If Ken Mettler hit Badewitz then a battery occurred; If Badewitz grabbed the signs from Ken Mettler and touched him however slight then a Battery occurred. The unlawful touching of one person by another when the touching is unwanted is a Battery. End of story. There have been no allegations until today that a Hate Crime occurred. Why was there no Mention of Gay Bashing by Mr. Mettler towards Badewitz during the weekend reports to Law Enforcement. Mr Badewitz needs to realize his 15 minutes are over and realize that false allegations or false reports are illegal and punishable as a crime all by itself. He better be dead on or he can be sued civilly for damages. Usually in my experience the person doing most of the pushing and pursuing is most at fault. Sorry but Thar's my experience. I really hope taxpayer funded dollars are not going to pay for this simple crime to pursue because someone is trying to mix the story with their political agenda. Prop 8 needs to be left out of the court room until after it is voted down during the election next week....................
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