These types of blogs poison the blogosphere.  STOP THE HATE SPEECH!  

HATE BREEDS HATE.  Nothing is solved.  

"Love one another, and so fulfill the law of Christ."  

 Being offended is what he wants. He is obviously a man craving the love of God, of anyone really. But because God doesn't physically slap him on the back and give him an "ata boy" (just like his father likely didn't), he is pissy and bitter. You, being a psychologist, probably know this already.

He has my pity and my prayers.

Yes, that's what he wants, and I usually just ignore it, but this time he's gone too far, and I've had enough.  I will not diagnose him because he is not my patient.  

What I will say is that his heart is ruled by hate and that his soul is governed by bitterness and an unquenchable desire for revenge.  He will never have any peace until he lets go of the bitterness and the hatred.  

He is not only going after the one person whose blog threads control his life, he is going after all who call themselves born again Christians, and after their savior, our savior, who (according to our beliefs) died to stop the world from destroying itself.  

My pity and my prayers as well, but also my protest for this form of speech.  It's gone beyond an expression of free speech.  It's hate speech--pure and simple.  

 I'm new here and I think his post was inappropriate.  What I see, if you permit me to share my opinion, is also some bigotry with people who believe towards those who do not.  The door is swinging both ways.  I am thining of the homosexuality post by Allred and comments by Pax or Soujourner or Wayfarer.  They are all being childish.  I believe in God but I am uncomfortable with the Christianity promoted by some who post here.  You understand I don't approve of Hotcorners post, it's just I believe that more than just he has posted insulting things. 

 Welcome, ChrissyL.  I hope you'll enjoy my blend of blog threads and original music.  I think there are many here, including myself, with strong beliefs.  It's okay to be passionate about one's beliefs, it's not okay, no matter what side of the issues you may fall on, to communicate those beliefs in a way that puts other people down, insults them and attacks them personally.  Whether you're a Christian, or of some other faith, or whether you're an atheist, we all need to learn to get along and to treat one another with respect.  

 Hey BLT hows it hanging...........When I surf through the recent posts I usually stay clear of all religious posts. Either they are to right or to far left from what I believe. To be able to comment on this post about that post I had to go read it, I did.
Now I do believe that there is a power greater then me out there. Call it God or mother earth or what ever you want to call it I don't care. All I know is that I have faith that something out there is keeping an eye on me. I keep it really simple, It works for me.
The Bible is a book written by man about god. Some people call it the word of God, I disagree. Its a bunch of stories written about God. Stories that can't be proving to be true. People take the Bible by faith. It works for them that's good. Many stories where left out of the Bible and so on..............................

 Religion is a subject that most people should "agree to disagree" about. One cannot change another's mind or beliefs regarding this subject; any change in that area is a truly subjective and personal issue. I myself am an atheist; however, I don't walk around telling every believer in any god that they are wrong. I am not qualified or worthy to make that judgment. To post such a personal attack on religion, as hotcorner has done in his blog, is usually done to inflame believers in that faith. What he wrote is deplorable by any standard, and I would agree with the manager of the blogs if he were to delete that post. It is a violation of the rules: No Personal Attacks.

Hotcorner's post is not easy or enjoyable to read.  However, I think that it is unfair to judge his post without a reference to context.  His post is a response to Allred's recent rant about homosexuals, a thread that includes Allred comparing a gay person to a child molester, drunk or murderer and making other extremely offensive remarks that he claims are based upon his Christian beliefs. 

As Jason stated on Allred's blog: "a blanket statement that the founding book and beliefs of one's religion are false can be taken as an insult, but so too can a blanket statement that one's religious beliefs are fact and as such apply to everyone else and allow one to label non-believers in a potentially demeaning way."

Allred's statements about gays destroying the nation and our nation being damned if gays get more rights are extremely offensive and I don't think one has to be gay to appreciate that.  Allred tells people who don't agree with him not to post on his threads and, if they do, he insults them directly.  I wouldn't expect hotcorner to post there and put himself up to that just like I wouldn't bother to post on Allred's thread either. 

If you're a Christian and offended by Hotcorner's posts, then I would ask if you agree or disagree with Allred.  If you agree, then I would strongly ask you to consider how posts like Allred's can create the ill feeling toward Christians that Hotcorner displays.  If you are a Christian and you disagree with Allred, then I suspect that you can understand why Hotcorner got angry and posted like he did.  Which is not to say that Hotcorner's post is right but that it is human.  If Hotcorner's post hits Allred as hard as Allred's post hit some others, then it serves its purpose.  If it gets other Christians to denounce Allred's "preaching," then it serves its purpose.  If it only gets people mad and offended, then its about equal to Allred's post, right?

I wasn't offended by Hotcorner's post b/c it doesn't apply to me.  It's hyperbole satirizing a foolish and offensive post made by a person who claims he is a Christian and who is preaching on the behalf of the bible.  Allred's posts don't speak to my beliefs and I hope that they do not speak to yours as well.

 Bravo

Well, you can be offended in one hand, and bomb the bejesus out of the dark men of the eastern desert in the other...Nice. What's that word for religion again? Hypocrisy, that's it.

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 I believe what I know to be true. I NEVER, ever have let anyone bother me when it comes to their views on religion.

I usually don't read any religious post past the heading and if there is a purple shirt involved I just skip the nonsense and go on to better posts.

People can only bother you if you let them :-)

Here is what I posted on hot corners blog:  

"People are complex animals,whose past,and a whole host  of factors must be considered....that always leads me to compassion for us all. Laughing with people is much better than laughing at them IMHO."

Everyone gets all riled up about religion and politics. I understand some believe it is "gods" mandate to "save" others. Others believe it is hooey. I trust it will work itself out to a conclusion,that many will argue about even then...

Yeah, I was offended by Hotcorner's post.  But now it seems that it is all Allred's fault.  Why that dirty scoundrel.

He started it!  He started it!  nya nya nya-nya nya.

Who says that? I have noticed these things always take two. Both posts are offensive to me.

Dril and sage, you've both made good points. 

Freecognate, I'm sorry, but I am having trouble wrapping my head around your two-wrongs-make-right rationalization.

I don't go around digging for dirt, but if I see comments that represent hate, personal attack, and the like, I raise objection, no matter what side of the fence a person is on. You call this post human? I call it inhumane. 

This is poisonous post.  It is an abomination, and a vicsious affront against all who proclaim Christ as their Lord and Savior. 

We don't need any more poisonous posts, whether they be introduced by conservatives, liberals or independents---whether they be introduced by Christians or atheists.  My point was not stop this form of hate, but only if it comes from liberals, it was stop this form of hate---period. 

I understand your point BLT ( I think) but I believe FC is seeing something here too...post of these posts can been seen more ways than one,IMHO. Both were/are human response's to issues.Neither will win Nobel Peace Prizes for  for their language or content.

BLT, with all due respect, my argument is not "two wrongs make a right."  My argument is that one cannot attempt to interpret and understand Hotcorner's post without understanding the context that prompted its publication.  Hotcorner's post does not occur in a vaccuum; rather it is in direct response, and serves to rebut (as its title states), some comments made by Allred.

Let me use an analogy to try to explain my point.  I can say to you that I support the use of capital punishment in cases of serial murder.  However, my advocacy can certainly be deemed reprehensible if the context of my words isn't considered.  If one simply observes an execution with no knowledge of the crimes committed, the legal trial by one's peers and the failed attempts at rehabilitation that preceded the execution, then the act of execution would appear to be a state-sponsored murder of a private citizen, an act that rational individuals should unconditionally reject.  However, understanding that the execution is a response to the actions taken by the private citizen, who willingly chose to mercilessly kill others, to deprive them of their basic human rights to enjoy their freedoms, then one can begin to understand why the execution occured.

I think you're reading Hotcorner's post without acknowledging the context.  It's a direct response to Allred's at least equally offensive language. I acknowledged that the content of Hotcorner's post is difficult to read.  However, if folks find it offensive without any justification for its posting, then I think they are ignoring the context of why the post was written.  Christians who believe that Mary was the Virgin Mother would rightly be offended by the image of her acting like a whore.  By the same token, homosexuals reading what Allred purports to believe regarding homosexuality, that their consentual sex is the equivalent of child molestation and murder and that they are doomed to hell as a result, would also be rightly offended by his post. 

Allred's discriminatory treatment of groups that he attempts to judge under the teachings of Christianity does not reflect a Christianity that I have ever known or followed.  It's a cruel twisting of the bible to fit a discriminatory mindset that refuses to listen to reason.  How is Allred's post any less "inhumane" than Hotcorners?  Christians who read Allred's views of homosexuality should be able to acknowledge that Allred's language precipitated the attack and maybe start to see why responses like Hotcorner's would be so strong.  I don't agree with what Hotcorner said but I can certainly understand why he said it. 

If we're going to stop the hate posts, then start with Allred's, the one that prompted Hotcorner's post, rather than simply focusing upon Hotcorner.  You said it yourself BLT, hate breeds hate.  Allred "bred" Hotcorners, not the other way around.

 It has long been established in psychology  that people who have personal issues often project their problems on others and as someone pointed out Christians and smokers are the only politically correct targets of hate in our secular society.  Perhaps  some are using their feigned concern for homosexuals as an excuse to attack Christians.  Not that Red is innocent as he often goes on a  anti-Roman Catholics rant, but I haven't seen Pax post such a venomous response to Red as Hot has to Red.  Jason will probably deal with Hot, Monday when he comes in.

Murphy~ she is a debater,that's just the term folks use...and normal conversation,around here???? Where? LOL 

Definition of an argument:  "a discussion involving differing points of view." Alternative definitions of "argument" that could apply to this thread:

"a process of reasoning; series of reasons"

"a statement, reason, or fact for or against a point"

"subject matter; theme"

Seems about right to me.  I'm expressing my point of view, as are others, which differ or agree with BLT.  Hope that clarifies things for you Murphy.

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 Lunk, I think your command of the KIng's English and your usage of facts has driven him into hiding

He has trouble with those things esse....................

 ..........and Lunk, I thought Mr. Mattloch would welcome someone like FreeCognate as a debater as, after all, isn't he a

MASTER ???????

(debater that is........)

 LOL.  It never hurts to interject a little humor into these intense discussions.  

FreeCognante, I honestly haven't read the "context" that you are referring to, nor do I care to.  As I mentioned previously, I don't go out of my way looking for dirt.  If I came across something offensive that allRED  posted, then that's what I would be protesting.  I would say something about it.  I don't really care if someone is offensive because somebody else was offensive first.  

The fact is, if somebody has a problem with another person, than that issue should be resolved one-on-one with that person via email, if that is a feasible option, and, if not, a complaint should be made to Jason.  The rest of us shouldn't have that crap shoved in our faces every time we log in.  

 Well, I said I would protest if allRED said something offensive, and so, even though I think allRED means well, I must say that as Christians, our delivery of the truth is everything.  If we come across as self-righteous and morally superior, it is likely to cause others to feel slighted and to become defensive.  It is not likely to win anybody over or cause them to want the rich inheritance that we lay claim too, even in the ugliness of our sinful natures.  

allRED, I believe you are a brother in Christ, and, I like you as a person (if that is possible in this weird world of blogging) when we don't really know each other as we would know one another in the real world.  But I can understand why folks get up in arms about some of your comments.  I believe you mean well, and I believe in the same Bible you do.  We are instructed to proclaim the gospel, but your delivery, to me, sometimes comes across as rather heavy-handed.  

So have I, I'm sure, so I guess I'm lecturing myself too.  As Christians, we all need to be careful how we present the gospel of Jesus Christ.  We must tread lightly, not stomp clumsily over sensitive souls.  

Christians are not better than anybody else, and have no moral high ground to stand on.  The only thing we can possibly stand on, and not look like total hypocrites, is the cross of Jesus Christ.  We stand on his righteousness, not on our own.  Without his shed blood, the Bible tells us, all of our righteousness is "as filthy rags."  

 If you are not Born again as Jesus said     you are Guilty of all sin

Allred, what qualifies you to speak on the Lord's behalf?  Show me in the Bible we share where you were vested with that authority and given the power to sit in judgment about your fellow man.   Where does it even say that there is only one way to properly worship or believe in a god?  You are in no position to keep track of the sins of anyone else.  I believe that God is an all powerful deity who could create multiple paths to fit the needs of the humans he creates and in that light there is a path for everyone.  Your attitude seems to be less in service of god and more in service of your pride, in my opinion.

  It has long been established in psychology  that people who have personal issues often project their problems on others and as someone pointed out Christians and smokers are the only politically correct targets of hate in our secular society. - as posted by Wayfarer. 

I have a masters in Psychology and a PhD in theology.  Your observation about projection applies to you as well as secular bloggers on this site.  It is often those who say ""blank" is the only pc target" that are the ones engaging in targeting others.  I've been on the site a short while and have seen you target homosexuals, atheist, agnostics, and really anyone who disagrees with you philosophically.  Perhaps it's not your beliefs that people find worth criticism but your demeanor and method?   Perhaps  some are using their feigned concern for homosexuals as an excuse to attack Christians. 

You need help.  Homosexuals are people and Christ commands us to love our fellow humans.  Show me in the Bible where it says we should publicly flog homosexuals.  I would also be grateful if you would explain how there is feigned concern on the part of Christians who are willing to cease judging and be open to the boggling uniqueness of the human race.  How can you profess to serve an almighty Lord by speaking in derogatory terms about people who may or may not have been born with homosexual tendencies? 

The fact is, if somebody has a problem with another person, than that issue should be resolved one-on-one with that person via email, if that is a feasible option, and, if not, a complaint should be made to Jason.  The rest of us shouldn't have that crap shoved in our faces every time we log in.  

BNR, if only this were applied to all who post here.  I think you are right.  Allred and Wayfarer and others would do well to engage those they hate or despise one on one.  But, I don't think they wil because getting to know some person who is different than you means you have to humanize them.   When people thrive off hate, they prefer to keep their targets at safe distance so that they will always be "those people".   Do you apply your last sentence to whoever that blogger is that posts passages from orthodox preachings daily? 

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The Bible's Ungodly Origins

by Robert L. Johnson

Many rank and file Christians sincerely believe the Bible is a direct communication from God to man. I know I used to believe it was when I was a Christian. And from recent conversations with many sincere Christians I know this is currently true for many believers. Once it is proven to our God-given reason that the Bible is strictly a man-made collection of mythology the mind loses yet another shackle of "revelation" and is soon on its way to full freedom and progress."Therefore, one can easily argue that the first Christian Bible was commissioned, paid for, inspected and approved by a pagan emperor for church use." Of course, I'd like to express my deep appreciation to fellow Deist Peter Murphy for the great research work he did in order to write such a great counter-rebuttal!In the landmark work by H.G. Wells, The Outline of History, Vol. I, pages 462-463, we read, "It (the Council of Nicaea) marks the definite entry upon the stage of human affairs of the Christian Church and of Christianity as it is generally understood in the world to-day. It marks the exact definition of Christian teaching by the Nicene Creed."

The Bible was not handed to mankind by God, nor was it dictated to human stenographers by God. It has nothing to do with God. In actuality, the Bible was VOTED to be the word of God by a group of men during the 4th century.

According to Professor John Crossan of Biblical Studies at DePaul University the Roman Emperor Constantine the Great (274-337 CE), (a bust of Constantine is pictured below) who was the first Roman Emperor to convert to Christianity, needed a single canon to be agreed upon by the Christian leaders to help him unify the remains of the Roman Empire. Until this time the various Christian leaders could not decide which books would be considered "holy" and thus "the word of God" and which ones would be excluded and not considered the word of God.

Emperor Constantine, who was Roman Emperor from 306 CE until his death in 337 CE, used what motivates many to action - MONEY! He offered the various Church leaders money to agree upon a single canon that would be used by all Christians as the word of God. The Church leaders gathered together at the Council of Nicaea and voted the "word of God" into existence. (I wish to thank Brian Show for pointing out in his rebuttal to this article that the final version of the Christian Bible was not voted on at the Council of Nicaea, per se. The Church leaders didn't finish editing the "holy" scriptures until the Council of Trent when the Catholic Church pronounced the Canon closed. However, it seems the real approving editor of the Bible was not God but Constantine! This fact is revealed in the second counter-rebuttal to Brian Show's first rebuttal to this article. This counter-rebuttal makes the following important statement and backs it up with FACTS -

Constantine ordered and financed 50 parchment copies of the new "holy scriptures." It seems with the financial element added to the picture, the Church fathers were able to overcome their differences and finally agree which "holy" books would stay and which would go.

Compare the man-made origins of Christianity and its various dogmas to the simplicity of Deism. Deism is belief in God based only on reason and the creation itself. It makes no claim to false "revelations" as all of the "revealed" religions do. To Deists, proof of the Designer is in the design.

To quote Thomas Paine, "Were man impressed as fully and as strongly as he ought to be with the belief of a God, his moral life would be regulated by the force of that belief; he would stand in awe of God and of himself, and would not do the thing that could not be concealed from either. To give this belief the full opportunity of force, it is necessary that it acts alone. This is Deism. But when, according to the Christian Trinitarian scheme, one part of God is represented by a dying man, and another part, called the Holy Ghost, by a flying pigeon, it is impossible that belief can attach itself to such wild conceits. . . .

"The study of theology, as it stands in the Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion. Not anything can be studied as a science, without our being in possession of the principles upon which it is founded; and as this is not the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.

"Instead then of studying theology, as is now done out of the Bible and Testament, the meanings of which books are always controverted and the authenticity of which is disproved, it is necessary that we refer to the Bible of the Creation. The principles we discover there are eternal and of divine origin; they are the foundation of all the science that exists in the world, and must be the foundation of theology.

"We can know God only through His works. We cannot have a conception of any one attribute but by following some principle that leads to it. We have only a confused idea of His power, if we have not the means of comprehending something of its immensity. We can have no idea of His wisdom, but by knowing the order and manner in which it acts. The principles of science lead to this knowledge; for the Creator of man is the Creator of science, and it is through that medium that man can see God, as it were, face to face."

On May 12, 1797 while living in Paris, France Tom Paine wrote the following letter to a Christian friend who was trying to convert Paine to Christianity. Paine's response fits perfectly with this page regarding the origins of the Bible.

"In your letter of the twentieth of March, you give me several quotations from the Bible, which you call the Word of God, to show me that my opinions on religion are wrong, and I could give you as many, from the same book to show that yours are not right; consequently, then, the Bible decides nothing, because it decides any way, and every way, one chooses to make it.

"But by what authority do you call the Bible the Word of God? for this is the first point to be settled. It is not your calling it so that makes it so, any more than the Mahometans calling the Koran the Word of God makes the Koran to be so. The Popish Councils of Nice and Laodicea, about 350 years after the time the person called Jesus Christ is said to have lived, voted the books that now compose what is called the New Testament to be the Word of God. This was done by yeas and nays, as we now vote a law.

"The Pharisees of the second temple, after the Jews returned from captivity in Babylon, did the same by the books that now compose the Old Testament, and this is all the authority there is, which to me is no authority at all. I am as capable of judging for myself as they were, and I think more so, because, as they made a living by their religion, they had a self-interest in the vote they gave.

"You may have an opinion that a man is inspired, but you cannot prove it, nor can you have any proof of it yourself, because you cannot see into his mind in order to know how he comes by his thoughts; and the same is the case with the word revelation. There can be no evidence of such a thing, for you can no more prove revelation than you can prove what another man dreams of, neither can he prove it himself.

"It is often said in the Bible that God spake unto Moses, but how do you know that God spake unto Moses? Because, you will say, the Bible says so. The Koran says, that God spake unto Mahomet, do you believe that too? No.

"Why not? Because, you will say, you do not believe it; and so because you do, and because you don't is all the reason you can give for believing or disbelieving except that you will say that Mahomet was an impostor. And how do you know Moses was not an impostor?

"For my own part, I believe that all are impostors who pretend to hold verbal communication with the Deity. It is the way by which the world has been imposed upon; but if you think otherwise you have the same right to your opinion that I have to mine, and must answer for it in the same manner. But all this does not settle the point, whether the Bible be the Word of God, or not. It is therefore necessary to go a step further. The case then is: -

"You form your opinion of God from the account given of Him in the Bible; and I form my opinion of the Bible from the wisdom and goodness of God manifested in the structure of the universe, and in all works of creation. The result in these two cases will be, that you, by taking the Bible for your standard, will have a bad opinion of God; and I, by taking God for my standard, shall have a bad opinion of the Bible.

"The Bible represents God to be a changeable, passionate, vindictive being; making a world and then drowning it, afterwards repenting of what he had done, and promising not to do so again. Setting one nation to cut the throats of another, and stopping the course of the sun till the butchery should be done. But the works of God in the creation preach to us another doctrine. In that vast volume we see nothing to give us the idea of a changeable, passionate, vindictive God; everything we there behold impresses us with a contrary idea - that of unchangeableness and of eternal order, harmony, and goodness.

"The sun and the seasons return at their appointed time, and everything in the creation claims that God is unchangeable. Now, which am I to believe, a book that any impostor might make and call the Word of God, or the creation itself which none but an Almighty Power could make? For the Bible says one thing, and the creation says the contrary. The Bible represents God with all the passions of a mortal, and the creation proclaims him with all the attributes of a God.

"It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine, and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man. That bloodthirsty man, called the prophet Samuel, makes God to say, (I Sam. xv. 3) `Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.'

"That Samuel or some other impostor might say this, is what, at this distance of time, can neither be proved nor disproved, but in my opinion it is blasphemy to say, or to believe, that God said it. All our ideas of the justice and goodness of God revolt at the impious cruelty of the Bible. It is not a God, just and good, but a devil, under the name of God, that the Bible describes.

"What makes this pretended order to destroy the Amalekites appear the worse, is the reason given for it. The Amalekites, four hundred years before, according to the account in Exodus xvii. (but which has the appearance of fable from the magical account it gives of Moses holding up his hands), had opposed the Israelites coming into their country, and this the Amalekites had a right to do, because the Israelites were the invaders, as the Spaniards were the invaders of Mexico. This opposition by the Amalekites, at that time, is given as a reason, that the men, women, infants and sucklings, sheep and oxen, camels and asses, that were born four hundred years afterward, should be put to death; and to complete the horror, Samuel hewed Agag, the chief of the Amalekites, in pieces, as you would hew a stick of wood. I will bestow a few observations on this case.

"In the first place, nobody knows who the author, or writer, of the book of Samuel was, and, therefore, the fact itself has no other proof than anonymous or hearsay evidence, which is no evidence at all. In the second place, this anonymous book says, that this slaughter was done by the express command of God: but all our ideas of the justice and goodness of God give the lie to the book, and as I never will believe any book that ascribes cruelty and injustice to God, I therefore reject the Bible as unworthy of credit.

"As I have now given you my reasons for believing that the Bible is not the Word of God, that it is a falsehood, I have a right to ask you your reasons for believing the contrary; but I know you can give me none, except that you were educated to believe the Bible; and as the Turks give the same reason for believing the Koran, it is evident that education makes all the difference, and that reason and truth have nothing to do in the case.

"You believe in the Bible from the accident of birth, and the Turks believe in the Koran from the same accident, and each calls the other infidel. But leaving the prejudice of education out of the case, the unprejudiced truth is, that all are infidels who believe falsely of God, whether they draw their creed from the Bible, or from the Koran, from the Old Testament, or from the New.

"When you have examined the Bible with the attention that I have done (for I do not think you know much about it), and permit yourself to have just ideas of God, you will most probably believe as I do. But I wish you to know that this answer to your letter is not written for the purpose of changing your opinion. It is written to satisfy you, and some other friends whom I esteem, that my disbelief of the Bible is founded on a pure and religious belief in God; for in my opinion the Bible is a gross libel against the justice and goodness of God, in almost every part of it."

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 I noticed hot gave away his arrogance (and probably his insecurity) by correcting someone's spelling. Alot of times I get into a rush and make typos or use phonetic spelling. I've even been known to use incorrect grammer or type incomplete sentences. I hope my sloppiness doesn't give anyone so much offense that I get attacked for it.

It doesn't bother me, catpaw.  What bothers me is that so many people seem to hate Christians, and to cast all of us as Bible-thumping hypocrites and haters.  The Bible, like any religious text, can be abused by those who are control freaks and who want to go around condemning the souls of others, but if you study it, from beginning to end, and let it touch your heart, you will know that it is real.  That's why intellectual arguments about the Bible go nowhere.  It's a matter of your heart.  If your heart is not in the mood to be humbled, your head will find plenty of reasons to disbelief the truth it contains.  It is a life-transforming truth, but it is not a message of condemnation.  It is a message of hope for all who will humble themselves at the foot of the cross.  

 What's puzzling is why we don't let people believe what they want to believe.  Or not.  We, people as a whole, are arrogant enough to believe that we should be constantly criticizing other for their way of life.  Believers criticized non believers.  Non believers criticize believers, and we are all so busy trying to convince each other that we're right and they are wrong we lose any message in vitriolic speech.

I don't get on here and continually harangue people that they are going to hell if they don't get their stuff together and I don't appreciate people getting on here and telling me that my faith is hocus pocus and hogwash.

I also realize this is a fools errand because none of you are going to let others be.  You'll continue to ridicule, criticize and judge each other like a sandbox full of brats.  What a waste of energy.  What a waste of what could be fellowship.  Where I'm going to get in trouble with the Christians is where we're told to go out and witness.  Where I'll catch it from the non believers is where they think we shouldn't mention Christ at all.

So be it.  It would just be nice to respect each other beliefs when it comes to religion and move on.  No one here is going to change anyone elses mind so just present your side and move on.  For those who mock the Bible...why does it scare you and why to you care if others believe in it?  If it's just a book of stories (and it is) then why do you care where it came from?  And Why am I sitting here wasting my breath?  Or fingers?  Sigh.

spam code  XCIII  How appropriate .. Roman Numerals.

I've even been known to use incorrect grammer or type incomplete sentences. I hope my sloppiness doesn't give anyone so much offense that I get attacked for it.

Attacked? No, but the word is spelled g-r-a-m-m-a-r. Enjoy your day.

 allRED, Nancy is right, and, I love you, brother, but we've got to stop beating people up with the Bible.  That's not what the good book is designed for.  I've done it in the past,and I've beat myself up with it too, because that's how I was raised, but I hope I have abandoned that path forever.  

The Bible shouldn't be stomped on, either, hotcorner, just because some folks may abuse it, as they do the teachings of Christ.  You are stomping all over something that is very precious to some of us.  Isn't there a way to express your opinion without being so disrespectful and offensive?  

That which is very precious to you has been used as a weapon against those with a different POV ever since the damn thing was expanded in the fourth century. As long as there are Christians who think they're all that because of it, I'll continue to bestow upon others what has been so freely given to me. 

 I agree that Christianity has been used as a weapon, and that those who use it in this way, have done lots of damage.  But maybe there's a way you and I could join together in fighting back against that form of religious abuse.  I'd like to work with you, not against you, because I share your belief that much too much harm is being done in the name of Christianity.  

But for me to work with you, as a team, we'd have to develop a plan that gets results.  Mocking, in my view, will not change hearts, it will only get religious fanatics intent on judging others and it will only cause them to dig deeper into their defenses, and fight back with more abuse.  

 Whether you are a "thumper' or a 'hater' doesn't matter much to me. You lose all credibility in my eyes either way and I don't bother to read those posts by those people. These people simply don't matter and that hurts them the most.

 Murphy..are you sure she can read?  LOL..it doesn't take much to post other peoples words.  Nor does it prove anything.

 Ok their gone

whats gone?

 Sorry about posting on your blog BLT        It won't happen again

 Chico I should never use someone else's blog to post my views

 guess I missed it!

I thought you meant the new C&P Twerp was gone!

 mongo maggot

I am not a christian for those who believe in the Bible.  The Bible doesn't say to declare yourself saved in Christianity.  If  you have accepted Jesus then say it right. I am the Church in Christ Jesus, just one of the many members of the body.  Many saved in Christ Jesus are made ashamed of the Lord's name and the word Christian is used instead.  Shout out the name of our Lord Jesus with great boldness. 

If you talk until your blue in the face and type until your fingers fall off you are "self-righteous" to those who don't have eyes to see or ears to hear. You can quote scriptures all you want and it won't do any good if a person isn't rightly dividing the truth.  Our Lord says that he hears the prayers of the righteous (meaning Jesus in you creates righteousness, the eternal spirit that is here because of the sacrifice of Jesus is the only thing righteous in this world) and we have to take on our neighbors burdens by praying for them, what a great way to show your love for them instead of laying a word on them that they aren't ready for and only you understand.  Trust that the spirit is in control, only Christ Jesus does the saving.  Remember after you pray in Jesus to believe it done already that is great faith in truth and a confirmation always follows.  Please understand I wrote this part to believers but I have faith that there are non-believers out there that are ready to hear the word.

To the person who asked what I got from the Bible, I ask in Jesus name that all hear this Glory to God: Jesus is the name of the eternal (Holy) spirit.  Jesus is the authority in God the Father here in this world which enters us making us one with God again so that we become eternal, beyond the time in this world. God is the only thing eternal.  That is why an ultimate sacrifice was given with the eternal spirit that is God in it and yes that was Jesus dying on the cross which released the eternal spirit conquering sin/death.  That is how much God loves us and wants us to live forever.  Without accepting Jesus sacrifice in the heart/mind that person has no eternal spirit and are still spiritually dead because of a spiritual law that was broken and therefore cannot live past this earthly body and soul.  God doesn't want anyone to be dead spiritually.  God wants us to choose Jesus and live forever in the spirit that was sent, it is right and just to do so.  Jesus is making it loud and clear. Remember the world has changed very much and the way things used to be done seem almost unreal because of how fast the world is changing around us and consuming our minds...we are being overloaded on purpose with many lies everyday.  Be careful what we think.  We really are meant to live very simple easy lives in love, peace, and joy.  Basically we need to be one with God again, be a temple. With that being written, the eternal will of the spirit that comes in Jesus will bring this love, peace, joy and truth as a state of being.  Shine that will that being on every neighbor by seeking the eternal spirit in Jesus that gives all those fruits and truth meant to be in our Heart/Mind everyday, because the will of man/ sin is so strongly being put in our minds everyday in this world that is why Jesus has already done the Saving by the Grace of God. We have been saved in Jesus Christ the eternal spirit that is God.  We have been&nb sp;redeemed.  Jesus isn't here to judge at this time but to save, so judgment is the worse thing you can do.  Know that love rejoices in truth.  I seek out the truth/word in Jesus which can be rightly put in our hearts (minds) daily through encounters that are created by the eternal spirit in the world. Others prayed for me and I found truth because God put it in their hearts to pray for me.  Jesus comes first like a knocking at a door that has to be opened because the eternal spirit, will of God, is all around.  I don't preach to people but rather wait until God sends someone my way looking for answers where then he can minister through me. Love does not boast.  We all have the choice to believe and have faith in whatever we choose and should never feel anger towards one another for it.  It is not the creation that he hates but rather sin/death that is why Jesus came to save us. It is very simple.   We all sin no one is perfect.  When you accept Jesus in the heart/mind a person should strive to shine the will and fruits of God that are given to them and be a good example but not all believers are aware of what they have because of the confusion of religion.

I choose to have faith in Jesus which is love, truth, eternal life and so much more than we can ever understand.  Glory to God for freeing me from the spiritual law that saw me dead in this world of disillusions and for giving me eternal life in Jesus Christ.  Study to show thyself approved onto God, a workman that needeth not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.   Stay away from idol babbling for they lead to ungodliness.  Remember there is much apostasy in the Body of Christ Jesus because of religion. I look for truth daily, and guess what, it is right there every time I ask Jesus to show me.  Just ask Jesus and then believe it done. God is alive here with us in the spirit because Jesus died on the cross so that we can be that temple that God intended us to be for eternity. I can see the truth Glory to God and it is always surrounded by lies that is what makes it so hard for unbelievers to see.   It is a state of mind and thinking. That is why the Bible can appear to be fables if the mind is not able to rightly divide truth, read it in Jesus the eternal spirit of truth.  Yes everyone has a mind that perceives things differently and only God knows how to rightly divide the truth for that individual, that is why I don't try to preach the word given to me to just anyone, but since someone asked.... there is Hot and Cold nothing is Lukewarm.  There is the will of man which is death and the will of God in Jesus Christ which is eternal life nothing in between.  Thank you Jesus for putting the word in me! Amen!

I suppose what I wrote about being redeemed didn't come out correctly because for some reason there are letters added that I didn't put in there.  The Lord is always ontop of correcting me. :-) Not one of the Lord's sheep will be lost and that makes me smile to think about that. 

One of our biggest challenges is not to be offended by others.  Are you up for the challenge??  We will all fall short of the Glory of God.  So why get upset at others when you are falling short yourself?  The next time we see someone who is doing something we don't agree with keep our mouths shut and pray to God in Jesus name that the Lord will have his hand on it...and think about what it is you were going to say to that person and compare it to the love described in  Corinthians and ask yourself if your response would have been out of love or from pride.  Have you ever went off on someone and found yourself saying things that you knew weren't really true or thought to be true to try and prove a point out of pridefull feelings and later wished you hadn't said those things because God proved you wrong?  Hopefully you have had this happen because that means you are learning!  Glory to God.

 From my experience people are so busying judging one another that they automatically put up defenses without any words being said.  I notice most people don't even like to make eye contact with one another because they might have to interact.  Even I do these things, sometimes not even realizing it at the moment. Without judgement there is really no reason to put up a defense if you think that person might actually accept you for what you are and not try to make you feel terrible for things you don't feel like you have control over or you see nothing wrong with.  I pray in Jesus name that all who have questions get their answers from the workings of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ through someone close to them in their daily lives.  Loud and clear it is answered in Jesus name. Amen.

 Sorry about posting on your blog BLT        It won't happen again

I thought I was simply offering a bit of constructive criticism, but if I was being unfair, or if I was being hypocritical, then I apologize. I delete anything here that goes over the line in terms of personal attacks (you may notice that I've just deleted an offensive personal attack directed at you).

I haven't come across anything you've posted under my threads that crosses the line, so as long as that continues your comments are welcome. 

I consider you a brother in Christ, and a friend, but understand how some might feel offended by your delivery at times.  That's all. 

 Thanks Bruce   I saw it was up on your blog this morning before golfing

I was wondering  why it stayed so long

I also was thinking are those words alouded

My way really is different      I quote the Word    if it's to harsh    forgive me

Anyone is welcome on my blog  I do delete comments to long that plug up the blog   or anyone cussing