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The Immigrant is Coming: Bono or Arnold? Who will be the first foreign-born president of the U.S.eh?
I believe it's just a matter of time before we will see a major legislative bill passed that will allow foreign-born citizens to become President of the United States of America? Will a foreign-born be allowed to run in 2012? Will it be an Arnold/McCarthy Ticket? Will it be my preference, a Bono/Bono ticket, featuring Bono, the rock superstar/activist/humanitarian recently named one of Time magazines Persons of the Year? Will Mary Bono be his running mate? Do you have other suggestions as to which foreign-born leader has a chance of becoming our president? I'm all ears (or should I say, all eyes?)
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posted by
robbwillis
on Oct 31, 2006 at 08:35 AM
That dog won't hunt.
posted by
anonymous
on Oct 31, 2006 at 08:36 AM
You obviously do not understand the COTUS. A legislative bill can not make it legal for a foreign born person to be president. It will take a constitutional amendment which will require 3/4 of the states for ratification. Given the level of xenophobia that exists in this country I doubt you will even see the required 2/3 needed just to propose the amendment. But given how the neo-cons want to erode away the provisions of the COTUS you may just see such a travesty.
posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Oct 31, 2006 at 08:46 AM
Are there not enough people that were actually born here to choose from? If not, that's pretty sad that we can't even produce a leader that is willing and able to be the President. I would never want either Ahnold or Bono to be POTUS, or anyone not born here for that matter. I'm deeply disturbed that anyone would want Ahnold representing the US. It's bad enough we have a pres now with a phony texas accent, but an austrian accent just doesn't belong in the Oval Office, unless it's a visitor. Besides, Ahnold is a major flip flopper and he will do or say anything for a vote. posted by
Hardliner4freedom
on Oct 31, 2006 at 08:53 AM
Bush should have groped that rather than her shoulders at the G-8 Summit. (I'm not continuing to beat on Bush over it -- but an arse-grope would have been classic.) posted by
NancyII
on Oct 31, 2006 at 09:10 AM
An arse grope like Gores you mean? Easy there on Sheriff Tupper (?). Although I've got to admit I like the other one better..he wasn't such a bumbler but then he came from NY didn't he. Yikes..I forgot..and I have some on CD's. BIG Angela Lansbury fan here. posted by
marsh
on Oct 31, 2006 at 09:21 AM
I love the way we want celebrities to become our leaders. Makes me wonder what ever happened to reality?
posted by
NancyII
on Oct 31, 2006 at 09:23 AM
We could run Martin Sheen for prez. He has lots of experience. And Jimmy Smits seemed like a good guy. Of course he was going to have conservative Alan Alda to balance him out(No, I didn't watch the show often but I did catch the final episode.) posted by
anonymous
on Oct 31, 2006 at 09:36 AM
Bono or Arnold? Either one will be elected before a woman or Black, or Hispanic.
posted by
blognroll
on Oct 31, 2006 at 10:03 AM
Great comments. Thanks for the anonymous education on the political process, anonymous. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it have to start with a legislative bill? I believe Arnold already has friends in high places presently drafty such a bill. For me, the jury is still out on paving the way for a foreign-born prez, but I'm leaning towards giving the concept a thumbs up. If somebody has the potential for greatness, why should their country of birth get in the way? Is it un-American in a country that claims to celebrate diversity to have a president in office who is foreign-born? I'm also curious to know if any of have any ideas about who, among foreign folks, would be possible contenders or formidable candidates if allowed to run. Bono already wields considerable influence on the world stage. So does Arnold. Both seem poised and looking for even bigger shoes to fill. That's why I've introduced them as possible viable contenders. posted by
TomW
on Oct 31, 2006 at 10:12 AM
How is it that this could possibly help the Republicans? Democrats would run a Mexican-born US citizen in the VP slot and take over. They'd win Texas and California, killing any chance for Schwarzenneger.
posted by
blognroll
on Oct 31, 2006 at 11:48 AM
I'm not sure it would help Republicans, Tom. I'm interested most in what could help or hinder the country as a whole. I'm interested in the country becoming increasingly united. posted by
TomW
on Oct 31, 2006 at 11:53 AM
Well, there are 300 million people here. The problem with going outside the US is that you could create a situation where there were brothers ruling two powerful countries, and basically expanding a global ruling class. We already have one here to some degree, but internationalizing the competition would not be helpful.
posted by
blognroll
on Oct 31, 2006 at 01:30 PM
I understand your concern Tom, but what about if one of the brothers was born on U.S. soil and, another on foreign soil? If those two brothers both became presidents or prime ministers of their respective countries, you would still have the scenario that you've attempted to scare us with. BTW, I use the term "scare" facetioiusly. I know that your intention is not to scare any of us, but since it's Halloween, I just thought I'd throw that in : {} (That face is supposed to be a jack-o'-latern. Sorry for the obvious lack of verisimilitude). posted by
Hardliner4freedom
on Oct 31, 2006 at 01:33 PM
That's "verisimilitude." :-). There's nothing that I can't spell. . Sorry, couldn't resist. . [I have deleted my subsequent comments to keep the "New Comments" list from dropping too many recent posts.] posted by
blognroll
on Oct 31, 2006 at 01:53 PM
I didn't know that the blog police doubled as a spelling Gestapo. Are you sure I spelled it wrong. Would you mind going back and checking again? :) posted by
blognroll
on Oct 31, 2006 at 01:58 PM
Sometimes in order to bust somebody, you have to trust that somebody :) Now you can't arrest me, because there's no evidence of your charge.
posted by
brucelee
on Nov 5, 2006 at 10:21 PM
I personally would be surprised if a bill to allow a foreign-born president got through in this current age of terrorism paranoia. I think despite Arnold's conservative leanings, a lot of Americans would be afraid that allowing foreigners to contest high-level government positions might jeapordize national security. Let's face it, Arnold might have a shot because he's of European origin, but would the public truly consider voting for a person who was born in Cuba. A lot of people probably fear that a foreign-born official might be conflicted in their loyalties, but truthfully I think that the barriers to having such a candidate would actually be due to insecurity with our foreign relations, and prejudice. I could be wrong, but I think the fear is there and it has been for a while. Does anyone remember the film "No Way Out" with Kevin Costner in the 80s? The film's premise was that the Soviets were able to plant a spy in the government by having him raised as an American from an early age. Eventually he works his way into a high level military position. Unrealistic? Probably, but my point is that people feared it then, and probably a lot of them fear it now. Maybe I'm wrong...the governator made it. Or was it all just a plot by the Austrians to undermine our government. We'd better not let Jean Claude Van Damme and Antonio Banderas run for office.....
posted by
NancyII
on Nov 6, 2006 at 06:50 AM
"this current age of terrorism paranoia"Interesting phrase. So our vigilance after being attacked twice by Islam extremists and constantly barraged with (televised on THEIR TV) reminders that their greatest goal is be to kill ALL Americans is paranoia? My feeling is that people won't want a foreign born prisident simply because he IS foreign born. Some of us have those little quirks and would prefer a natural born citizen to lead the country. Curious....without me doing a lot of research, does anyone know if the heads of other countries (kings, queens, prime ministers etc) are all natural born citizens of the countries they serve? posted by
randomfactor
on Nov 6, 2006 at 07:32 AM
Nancy, "paranoia" isn't fear about nothing, it's abnormally heightened awareness. Sure there's a threat of terrorism. But is it such a threat that we have to give up essential liberties? The terrorists--including Karl Rove--would have you think so. I don't.. A wise person locks his doors, a paranoid one allows the cops to come in whenever they feel like it, without warrants, just to make sure there are no terrorists hiding under the bed. The country is paranoid. posted by
NancyII
on Nov 6, 2006 at 07:59 AM
Main Entry: para·noiaFunction: noun Pronunciation: "par-&-'no i-& Etymology: New Latin, from Greek, madness, from paranous demented, from para- + nous mind 1 : a psychosis characterized by systematized delusions of persecution or grandeur usually without hallucinations 2 : a tendency on the part of an individual or group toward excessive or irrational suspiciousness and distrustfulness of others - para·noi·ac/-'no i-"ak, -'no i-ik/ also para·noic/-'no i(-i)k, -'nO-ik/ adjective or noun - para·noi·cal·ly/-'no i(-i)-k(&-)le, -'nO-i-k(&-)le/ adverb Exactly my point (about what paranoia is) and I don't believe this country is acting under paranoia when it is trying to ensure we aren't attacked again. To the best of our abilities at least. No one is "calling the cops" and allowing them unlimited access to our homes. You and Dusty call it paranoia..I don't agree. posted by
randomfactor
on Nov 6, 2006 at 08:30 AM
Nancy, that is *EXACTLY* how Shrub is handling the wiretapping issue. And the country is letting them get away with it.. Definition #2 above fits my view of paranoia, which literally means "a heightened awareness." Let's not play dictionaries, mine's bigger than yours. :) posted by
ejcramer
on Nov 6, 2006 at 08:43 AM
Anything is possible...let's not forget who was chosen by the people of our state to be our governor. I agree with brucelee for the most part. Prejudice, discrimination, racism, etc., all stems from fear and ignorance.
posted by
blognroll
on Nov 6, 2006 at 08:47 AM
I greatly appreciate the points that all of you are making.
posted by
Hardliner4freedom
on Nov 6, 2006 at 08:50 AM
Fear and ignorance are excusable.. Fear and ignorance wilfully maintained are not. posted by
NancyII
on Nov 6, 2006 at 09:05 AM
RF..considering I too have access to the world wide web and the vast reaches of cyberspace, your dictionary CAN'T be bigger than mine. ; - p) So there..neener neener.You know we disagree on this paranoia thing so I'll drop it. We're just spinning our wheels. posted by
TomW
on Nov 6, 2006 at 09:05 AM
I'm not for this. There is a natural conservatism built into our system for the sake of stability. There are checks and balances (in theory) that allow progress to occur without allowing the passions of the day to completely overtake our government. I know that a lot of those protections are being eroded, but I think we should protect the ones in place.
posted by
randomfactor
on Nov 6, 2006 at 09:12 AM
Nancy, peace. I just get a kick out of folks referring to "the" dictionary as if it decided anything. Dictionaries are descriptions of how words have been used, not prescriptions for their use. posted by
randomfactor
on Nov 6, 2006 at 10:42 AM
OK, one last--but just because I finally found the reference I was looking for. http://bluebobcat.blogspot.... posted by
mr6300
on Nov 6, 2006 at 11:00 AM
I personally don’t care what the person’s background is as long as they perform successfully the functions and duties of the job. After all, shouldn’t everyone be treated equally regardless of their ethnicity or gender. Good president qualities can be found in any gender or ethnic group. posted by
anonymous
on Nov 6, 2006 at 11:11 AM
"After all, shouldn’t everyone be treated equally regardless of their ethnicity or gender. " sorry, this is still 1950 in the South's Red Bible belt States and the Rocky monuntain States...and even in Red Kern.
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