Must be another spoke in the wheel of the machine. Seems appropiate that the puppet master has to pull the strings that make his guy seem normal to avoid the reality of just another hack bucking for a political future in bed with the power brokers!!!!!!

NOW, THEREFORE, LET IT BE RESOLVED by the Kern County Young Republicans as follows:

1. The above recitals are true and correct.

How can you put the mantle of truth on a statement by "resolution?"  By what standard have the recitals been deemed "true and correct?  By vote?  Doesn't truth require proof?  Evidence?  Some degree of investigation?

I live in Ward 3, and I support the recall of Ken Weir.  All this focus on the Johnson issue is not the reason for recall.  I am absolutely disappointed with the secrecy from Weir.  Maybe that is not intended, but he is not open, and I expect that from my public officials.  I'm waiting to sign the petition.  The message must be sent to all our public officials, that we will not tolerate anything less than openness.  If you can't do that, I don't want you there anymore.

 "WHEREAS, the campaign to recall Councilman Weir is supported and conducted by the same liberal activists and public employee union groups that opposed Councilman Weir during his campaign for City Council in 2006;"

Isn't this a surprise??? The Machine screaming that the "liberal activists and public employee union groups" are the root of all evil. How about a novel idea like, let's let the people speak? Let's allow every vote to be counted? If the "large margin" by  which Mr. Weir was elected will be validated by a "large margin" of Ward 3 voters declining to sign Mr. Weir's recall petition.

Typical Abernathy spin in the form of a true "spokesperson role." If you know you're dirty, throw more dirt into the water so everyone looks a bit dirty. The truth is that the Abernathy group didn't do their homework very well on Mr. Weir and now they will have to make a choice as to whether they can "save" him or if they must distance themselves from his cancer.

Anyone notice how Zach Scrivener has remained mute on all of these issues. How he hasn't rushed to support Mr. Weir. Zach knows what happens when you screw up in the Abernathy camp; Jean Fuller is sitting in Zach's chair in Sacramento because Zach dropped the ball a couple of years ago, so now it's Mr. Weir's turn.

It won't be long until the Abernathys realize that Mr. Weir has alienated the "large margin" of Ward 3, the City Council, the "liberal activists" and the "public employee union groups." Mr. Weir has so much baggage from his first year in office that he is unelectable at any other level.

Wake up and smell the bull you're shoveling "Young Republicans." If you keep up this type of jack-booted high stepping, then you'll vilify the entire Kern County Republican party. You're leading the group down a dangerous road. When Mr. Weir is recalled, then the Young Republicans will be shackled to his carcass as it pulls the party under the water.

"4. The Kern County Young Republicans urge the voters of Ward 3, in the City of Bakersfield to support Councilman Ken Weir, and reject the recall attempt conducted by liberal activists and public employee union groups."

OK kiddies. Marketing 101. You don't keep repeating tag lines over and over again. This just validates the FACT that the "Young Republicans" are just trying to sling mud at the liberal activists and public employee union groups.

I cannot speak to the "liberal activists"  as to who the Abernathy Group, I mean the Young Republicans, are trying to vilify here, but let me address the "public employee union groups" tag line.

The Abernathy Group (Young Republicans) are referring to the BPD, BFD and blue collar employees of the City. Why on earth Abernathy Group (Young Republicans) want to attack these public employees??? Could it be that Mr. Weir, and now the Abernathy Group (Young Republicans) have stepped on the necks of their public servants one time too many?? Perhaps.

Let me give you some FACTS about the conditions for all City employees:

BPD (BPOA) MOU (contract) expired June 30th, 2007

BFD (IAFF Local 246) MOU (contract) expired March 30th, 2008

Blue Collar Employees (SEIU Local 521) MOU (contract) expired December 31st, 2007

All City employees have been, and continue to, work daily without a MOU. This means no City employee, save for Mr. Tandy who just had his annual review "above average (Harold Hanson)" has received a pay increase to cope with the out of control fuel, food and cost of living expenses we all face.

The City (Mr. Weir, Zach Scrivener and Jackie Sullivan) have formed a voting block which is out of touch with reality. They are throwing the City back 100 years to the days of the "Good Ole' Boys" backroom deals. They have delivered a clear message to the employee groups- "you'll get nothing and like it."

At the same time, the City "found" about $15 million to buy and renovate the Borton Petrini Building so that Mr. Tandy could have a panoramic view of his kingdom with marble floors and twin fireplaces in the tower suite.

Is it any wonder why the vilified "public employee union groups"  would back removing this type of corruption from our City?

Mr. Weir, you do not represent me, Ward 3, nor the values that have made Bakersfield a great city to call home. Your political handlers the Abernathy Group (Young Republicans) are doing what they do best- throwing mud into the water. It will not work. The truth is abundantly clear to the "wide margin" of voters who chose a name off a ballot when you were elected.

In November the "wide margin" of voters will be given the opportunity to have their voices heard. I would wager a bet that they will be heard in all Wards of the City.

Let's all get the corruption out of our City.

I'm thinking about renting a room in ward 3 just so I can vote this guy out! Okay maybe not~ but you go recall committee! 

Lol, Sage!  Great idea!  I'll go in halves with you.

Sorry KCYR, you guys just got one side of the story.  And, it appears that you only wanted one side of the story because you didn't invite any conservative Republican who is involved with the Recall to come before you.  You fell for the oldest propaganda trick in the book. This reveals your skewed bias, and, you obviously didn't do your homework to see what the recall is really about.    Your "private property rights" mantra reveals your ignorance about those who speak the mantra when their few friends and business interest's rights are at stake, but when the property rights of over 400 primarily retired homeowners are at stake, poor Councilmen like Ken Weir vote to destroy their "property rights."   The "right" to develop and use land has community impacts, environmental, economic and about 20 others.  If a property owner/developer could develop his land in a vacuum, without being seen or smelled by anyone, then your convoluted property rights thinking might fly.  BUT DEVELOPMENT IS NOT DONE IN A BLIND VACUUM.  To not understand this means that your immature organization IS in a vacuum -- a vacuum of isolated thinking, knowledge and reason.  Here's one local example of development and growth's economic impacts and Mr. Weir's failure to act.  Mr. Weir refused to increase the educational development impact fee as a BCSD Trustee, leaving the district with a $200 million R&M and new construction deficit.  He left it behind as he moved to the City Council and the district (with Mr. Weir's vote) had to float a $100 million bond to cover their/his terrible fiscal planning.  He's a CPA, but not very astute fiscally and certainly not a competent urban planner.  I could go on, but a blog is not the place to address the myriad of continuing poor leadership acts and thinking by Mr. Weir. 

If your organization is anything like the future of the Republican Party, then I will not continue to affiliate with the out-of-touch Republican Party.

Whoa, so let me get this right, Abernathy is controlling the Young Republicans group?

Really? 

Maybe they just all decided they, I don't know, support Weir. 

I think this is a screw job, Some one tell me what weir has done besides want his own planning commissioner

BS:

The Young Republicans are pretty firmly and openly Abernathy-affiliated. The board includes Vince Fong, who is high up on Kevin McCarthy's staff, and when they had their primary-watching party Zack Scrivner was there.

Bakersfield Superman, YES Abernathy is also controlling the Young Republicans.  Take a look at their website.  See who's on the menu.  Bill Thomas touting the Young Republicans.  Vince Fong, who works for Kevin McCarthy (Abernathy/Thomas), Bryan Williams, who works for Jean Fuller (Abernathy/Thomas).  And Ken Weir's campaign fund gave $1200.00 to the Kern County Young Republicans for a voting guide.  Check out his campaign statement filed with the City Clerk's office dated 10/22/06 to 12/31/06. If that ain't a connection, I don't know what is?

Even their contact information is all about Abernathy:

"For more information email kcyr@libertystar.net or call 327-3673."  

Mark Abernathy's email address is: mabernathy@libertystar.net.   Call the phone number and I'll bet it rings right in Abernathy's office.

Just like Mark Abernathy had Ken Weir crash the Kern Congress of Republicans a few weeks ago as their special guest speaker to "explain" his stance on the removal of the planning commissioner.  The Young Repubs weren't the brains behind this fiasco and didn't as you put it "Maybe they just all decided they, I don't know, support Weir."

You go Eliznigma 2002!!  I hope the "public employee union groups" join the Recall Ken Weir campaign and go after Ken Weir like the CCPOA did spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to cripple Phil Wyman in the last election!!  Those were some pretty cool and effective campaign slicks...and I don't even live in the 3rd Ward and am not part of a union...so there Young Repubs!!

"City beat"  

Isn't the group affiliated with local republicans all around Bakersfield, including Abernathy? Some posters on here are trying to a make an outrageous claim, that Abernathy is controlling everything, based on, and get this "nothing".

But lets take a walk and I hope everyone joins in,

The "young republicans" a group of younger voters that support the republican party, who probably want to get involved politically and probably want to run themselves someday, save the world and all that. And they are being controlled by some political consultant because they have two members (out of hundred plus membership) that serve on their board who work for local Republican candidates? lol neither one of them is even the president... Anyways and because they had a primary watching party a Young Republicans house? Yeah I called the number given out and asked how Zach is affiliated with them...he's a member.

Abernathy is not by the way, yet he controls them right? Lets keep going shall we.

So because two board members elected annually this time around work in politics for popular Republican candidates shows Abernathy control, not that they are young republican working for causes and candidates they believe in.

FULL DISCLOSURE: I would love to work for McCarthy in a sec, I think he's doing a great job...any ways

The fact a republican city councilmen donated money to a republican group so they good put out a voter guide, proves nothing else besides that, Oh I don't know maybe they the donater supports republicans and wants them to be able to know what bills are conservative and shams...recently the term limits prop that was crap and now the 99 prop which is a deceptive bill that actually nullifies 98( a good bill). Republican don't think the government should take your land away.

Speaking of the local council men, Weir, now it is well known that this paper or at least some of its staff have problems with him, they don't like him picking his own planning commissioner, but I ask what is wrong with that. What constitutes a recall? I notice no one actually want to answer that. I'm all ears.

Moving on As far as this post goes all I hear is Abernathy is controlling a group that has its own elections and is made up of free younger voters that voted to pass this resolution, and also invited a republican to speak to them so they could hear what he had to say. Yeah that scream control and corruption.

Liberal nut jobs like "In the know" make me laugh until I realize they really believe this crap they say. lol its like getting mad at the DNC inviting Clinton or Obama to speak at an event and they scream that their campaign managers are controlling the whole organization....good post though In the know really well thought out and plenty of prof, how your not a professor somewhere is amazing.....

City beat let me ask you, do you think Abernathy is controlling the YR's?

BS:

I used the word "affiliated" for a reason. I don't know whether Abernathy is "controlling" the KCYRs.

BS~ goggle it and you can see all your questions have been answered on other blogs. 

Conservative nut jobs like "Bakersfield Superman" have never made me laugh because I realize they believe the crap they say.

Oh, and Kevin McCarthy is misnamed: his name ought to be "Fido."

City beat,

Sorry if I mistyped or confused you, I wasn't trying to imply you were saying that I was talking about what "eliznigma2002" and other nuts were saying...

"in the know" said "YES Abernathy is also controlling the Young Republicans"

All you said was that was that Abernathy being prominent republican was affiliated and that Vince Fong was on there board, Not sure why you don't know if Abernathy is controlling the YR's, I mean, let me me ask you,

DO you think its possible that Abernathy is controlling the hundred plus membership of the YR's?

I agree that Abernathy and probably a bunch of other republicans are  "affiliated" with the group.

Sage my question about whats wrong with weir has not been answered to my knowledge, if you can give me a summery or link it would be appreciated, because no article, blog, story or conversation I can find or have seen has given reason.

"No one",

no offense but you realize you just said that what makes me a nut job is that I said the young Republican are supported by local republicans and that they support them in return because of similar beliefs, and that some of the membership are working for local politicians, which is no way proves or suggests Abernathy has any involvement. Actually all t show is that people like you live in fantasy anti republican land.

lol, but wait I'm nuts because I can't follow your illogical path of crazy town. once again you make me laugh.....

Oh and McCarthy should be named "fido"? Really why? please explain 'No one", I know you wont answer because like every-other post you have ever argued with me on you will respond with some personal attack and not address anything, instead you will like always just put blame on someone and make outrageous accusations that make no sense or even warrant conversation....Or maybe you will surprise me....

Look to the side of this very blog,click on the links and i believe you'll find your answers. 

BS:

Yes, I think it's possible that Abernathy is controlling the KCYRs. If they allow themselves to be controlled, then they are controlled. And it's not like they are literal puppets; they make independent choices to either do as they're told or not. Control is a squishy word like that.

You're ignorant.

"Let me give you some FACTS about the conditions for all City employees:

BPD (BPOA) MOU (contract) expired June 30th, 2007

BFD (IAFF Local 246) MOU (contract) expired March 30th, 2008

Blue Collar Employees (SEIU Local 521) MOU (contract) expired December 31st, 2007

All City employees have been, and continue to, work daily without a MOU. This means no City employee, save for Mr. Tandy who just had his annual review "above average (Harold Hanson)" has received a pay increase to cope with the out of control fuel, food and cost of living expenses we all face. "

"Is it any wonder why the vilified "public employee union groups"  would back removing this type of corruption from our City? "

It is no wonder at all, the city unions arent getting what they want so they are making a political power play...i think that is pretty close to what it says in that KCYR resolution as well.

-Ace

QuestionMark:

That's the funniest thing I've seen posted on these blogs all day.

I guess it is funny when it is actually true, your bald head is the funniest thing I've seen all day too.

citybeat and InTheKnow what is your beef anyway?

WOW, ok you think for your-selfer!

"I guess it is funny when it is actually true, your bald head is the fu"nniest thing I've seen all day too.

citybeat and InTheKnow what is your beef anyway?

WOW, ok you think for your-selfer!"

Ouch

-Ace

Oh, OK, you were talking to me. It wasn't clear from your post.

It really helps, when calling someone stupid, if both of the words you use are spelled correctly.

Does it? Maybe you were blinded by the glare from your shiny bald head.

Do you have anything substantive to say? Everybody else is managing to stay on topic. BS, ItK, they're all discussing an actual issue.

InTheKnow, since you seem to be familiar with the members of the KCYR can you tell us who the chairman Ryan Leggio is? I think this is important because if you really wanted to control an organization you would put one of your people at the top.

-Ace

What is the issue? You guys don't like Ken Weir, and you don't have any knowledge of anything that is going on except what you write in the paper, or what comes from your liberal superiors. Do you attend these meetings with Ken?

You do know that every story has two sides right? You are just blinded by everyone around you.

WHAT IS THE ISSUE? I am sure you get paid to sit around and blog all day, do your friends think your cool because you and the Californian attack Weir and other conservatives as well.

City beat,

I can't wrap my head around this, you say Abernathy could be controlling the YR's, making a strong accusation, yet have no proof of any kind. You say that they do his bidding or choose not to right?  

How could a group be controlled by him, he is not a member and has no say in their decisions. Yet you say they either listen to him or don't. If they do they are being controlled. So your saying Abernathy tells them what to do. When does he do this, what is the reason you think this? Because they support a republican?

All I'm asking is to explain it. If your going to say its possible, how can he do it. The group is completely independent from him and the only connection is Abernathy is Republican that gets people elected through is political consultant work, and the YR's support republicans.

Your seems your line of reasoning is bias, unless I'm missing something

BS:

You're reading way too much into what I said. Saying Abernathy could be controlling the YRs is not "making a strong accusation," it's acknowledging a possibility.

It is possible that Abernathy is controlling the YRs. I imagine that the method probably involves the telephone. They call him and ask how they can help, or he calls them and says how they can help. It's also possible that they are acting independently. I don't know, and I'm not sure I care. That's why I used the word "affiliated." "Control" came from InTheKnow.

Because I have no evidence that the Young Republicans are androids, the "control" — if that's even an accurate word — is voluntary. He can't force them to do anything. And they wouldn't go along with his orders/suggestions/programming unless they agreed with him on many issues, and possibly are willing to downplay disagreements for the sake of their faction of the Republican Party. That's part of how party politics works.

Ryan Leggio is an attorney, along with Anthony Leggio at Clifford and Brown, et al. 

And yeah, I do know what I'm talking about.  The Young Repubs are controlled by Mark Abernathy.  If you paid attention to the politics in Kern County you would know that all parties involved in the Central Committee, Young Repubs, Kern Congress of Republicans, and the Kern County Republican Party are all under the umbrella of Mark Abernathy (AKA Western Pacific Research).  Don't believe me.  Take a look at Scrivner, Sullivan, Weir, Fuller, McCarthy , Matt Brady and Thomas' political campaign statements.  Western Research is their political guru!  In case you want to know the real history on the Young Repubs, take a look at this article posted in 2003 by Robert Price:  There are actually 2 young republican groups (one broke off from the young repubs cause they were, once again, controlled by the infamous Abernathy).  The beef goes way back.  Russell Johnson used to be a member of the Young Republicans.  You cant see the connection?  Do you see why Weir and Co. are still fighting against commissioner Johnson?  It's an old battle between the 2 republican factions.

Same old stuff from young Republicans

By ROBERT PRICE, Californian staff columnist
e-mail: rprice@bakersfield.com

Posted: Thursday November 13th, 2003, 11:20 PM
Last Updated: Thursday November 13th, 2003, 11:20 PM

Considering the way things went the last time Kern County's two major Republican Party factions squared off, Karen DeWalt's choice of dress was probably appropriate. She wore a black-and-white striped referee's jersey to this week's meeting of the Kern County Republican Central Committee. DeWalt, the committee chairwoman, had a whistle and a yellow penalty flag, too.

The meeting didn't get as testy as last time, when feuding advocates for the county's two major GOP camps got a bit worked up. But DeWalt, who'd been told what to expect this time, thought she'd better be ready to lighten the mood, just in case.

Young Republicans vs. Young Republicans, chapter umpteen, was relatively peaceful. That doesn't mean everybody left the meeting happy.

You remember this little rivalry, don't you? It runs a close second to that other, slightly better known rivalry, Old Republicans vs. Old Democrats.

The county's central committee recognizes only one group that calls itself Young Republicans: the Kern County Young Republicans, founded in 1954 and affiliated with the Young Republican National Federation. It's the one that's generally associated with Rep. Bill Thomas, the Bakersfield-based congressman.

The other is the Young Republican Federation of Kern County, founded in 1993 and sanctioned by the California Republican Party. It's the one that's generally associated with Roy Ashburn, the Bakersfield-based state senator. (Both groups interpret the word "young" liberally, if you'll pardon the choice of adverbs: They're both open to GOP'ers between 18 and about 40.)

Monday night, Ashburn asked the central committee to end the divisiveness once and for all by voting to officially recognize the local YR Federation. He had the backing of Assemblyman Bill Maze of Visalia, who has constituents in eastern Kern County and, like Ashburn, is a voting member of the central committee.

Zack Scrivner, president of the Kern County Young Republicans, urged committee members to vote no. The names of the two groups are too similar, he said, and people have been confused because of it.

He said voters have received campaign mailings endorsing different slates of Republican candidates that, to the uncritical eye, appear to come from the same organization. He said campaign contributors have donated to one group, having intended to give to the other.

Scrivner also mentioned the sad case of Nicholas Elizondo, a YR Federation board member convicted of molesting a 6-year-old girl and sent to prison several years ago. Scrivner said people telephoned the wrong YR office to express their outrage after the story hit the news.

Federation advocates counter that the central committee recognizes other similarly named pairs, such as the Kern County Hispanic Congress of Republicans (aligned with the Thomasites) and the Kern County National Republican Hispanic Assembly (in the other corner, alongside Ashburn et al).

Those names aren't all that similar, the other side counter-counters.

Scrivner's Young Republicans got their way again, winning 22-4 in a secret-ballot vote Monday night.

It's been long suggested that the split has its roots in the conservative vs. more conservative viewpoints championed, respectively, by Thomas and Ashburn. According to Scrivner, it's simpler than that.

"It's not about ideology," said Scrivner, 29. "It's all about the confusion over the similarities in the two names. I'm not going to suggest any (new) names for them. If I had my way, they would just became part of our organization. They're good Republicans; we'd just be stronger."

That marriage is not likely, said Angela Colvin, chairwoman of the YR Federation.

"Just because they don't recognize us, we're not going to go away," said Colvin, 30. "We're going to keep working for the people we believe in."

She said the YR Federation may try again to win official recognition from the county's central committee, though there haven't been any conversations about that yet.

She's still too confused about the alleged confusion to worry about further reconciliation efforts now.

"We're the only (YR Federation group in California) ... that's not recognized by its own (county Republican) central committee," she said. "I don't know why (the name similarity) ... is only confusing in Kern County."

Um. Maybe it's a localized phenomenon, sort of like that problem with butterfly ballots in Palm Beach County, Fla.

Scrivner's take: Talk to the hand. He's not so sure the YR Federation's purpose, in selecting its near-identical name 10 years ago, wasn't to intentionally create confusion.

"I don't know any other way to explain it," Scrivner said.

I can't explain it either, but I've got a theory. About the feud in general, I mean.

It's as much about power as it is simple recognition, and as much about power and influence as the right to a name.

Like that was hard to figure out.

BS, I've given up arguing with you because time and again you've proven it's futile to argue with an idiot: he'll just drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience. Now I read your posts and simply shake my head. I've never ducked a fight--I'm just not willing to waste time refuting your arguments only to have you reply with more inanity.

Bakersfield Superman:  O storm tossed, afflicted one!  I may be a "liberal nut" but unlike you, I'm an informed nut!!!  I know of which I speak and do my homework before I vote.  

CITYBEAT - So your saying "Young Republicans are androids". What do you call the people like you? That work for the paper??

In fact, BS, this particular blog is a perfect example of why it's pointless to argue with you. Despite numerous posts by others with more than convincing arguments to most of us, you're not convinced. In fact, you continue to demand "evidence," despite more and more. You begin to push the boundaries of the very definition of "zealot."

well there no one, I guess we disagree once again, suggesting Abernathy could be controlling the Yrs even though its not possible unless it was controlled by a small group or single person that did what Abernathy said. You can bel;ieve what you want but in reality, The YR's like all other young, whatever groups run the same way. They all vote on what they believe and if someone has the same beliefs they will probably will do similar things or make similar choices...

I asked for proof but unless a couple people on its board that work for local politicians is proof, I have received none.  I think Abernathy is given to much credit. Its been a good chat but when i asked the poster point blank he just said yeah its possible because Abernathy could call them "I guess the leader, who again cant make any choices by himself" and then the person can listen or not.

By this logic I could be controlling the white house...I just call up and if they listen to me then....

lol how dare I ask for reasons or facts... those are bad for liberal anti republican attacks...

BS:

Let me make this clear: I did not, and do not, claim that Abernathy controls the Young Republicans.

You keep asking me to prove that he does. I won't try. I'll say it's possible; that's not saying it's true.