Newsweek6/18-19/0726659-39

 

The first number is is job approval rating.. those that lol...still approve of it anyway. The second number is the disapproval column.

posted by dusty1215 on Jun 22, 2007 at 08:37 PM
If you don't like that one...find another one that is an actual poll and not a cherry picked set of avg's like RCP.
posted by ProgressivePete2 on Jun 22, 2007 at 08:55 PM
Oh, my bad. I guess he's on the upswing eh? I couldn't find where the margin of error was, but it couldn't have been more than let's say 2%. Hmmmm.


I'm quite disappointed in congress really. They are moving too slowly towards (or avoiding) bringing up appropriate charges against the administration (not everything they've done has been illegal) as well as forcing them to do something in Iraq other than send out our brave soldiers out as targets. I hope they're just waiting patiently and going through procedures, because
this is getting ridiculous. Who cares if they get blasted by the media, they were elected do DO SOMETHING.
posted by dusty1215 on Jun 22, 2007 at 08:57 PM

Congress is holding a fark-load of hearings and other than that..and give Bushie a blank check..they haven't done much. Its the whole pinata effect Pete..they just keep sniping at each other..thats it!

 

Sort of like here I guess :P

posted by ProgressivePete2 on Jun 22, 2007 at 09:42 PM
I guess. I'm just hoping that they're going through the proper procedures of our established government. There are a lot of protections to prevent the unnecessary impeachment or inditement of high ranking government officials (which is a good thing). I just seem to be more and more amazed when I hear about a new scandal every week. These aren't silly land deals or extra marital antics either. These guys are causing the country and the world serious harm. What else should we expect from a bunch of Nixon graduates, right. Nixon was tame compared to these guys. He tried to deny what he did. These guys say "yeah, I did it, what the hell do you think you're going to do about it?"


Then come the lawyers
posted by dusty1215 on Jun 22, 2007 at 09:44 PM
They are ALL Lawyers..therein lies the problem.
posted by ProgressivePete2 on Jun 22, 2007 at 09:47 PM
Lucky for us, they're mostly bat guano insane lawyers with the most bizarre agenda the world has ever seen. And they're lousy liars.

And there's this little thing called the Internet where anyone in the world can get access to newly released documents.
posted by dusty1215 on Jun 22, 2007 at 09:49 PM
I haven't slogged through the 9/11 doc's yet. I will this weekend. In between baseball games and the like. :)
posted by ProgressivePete2 on Jun 22, 2007 at 09:54 PM
Ah, there is in fact something more boring than watching baseball on TV.      (JK Dusty)     ( ;
posted by dusty1215 on Jun 22, 2007 at 09:56 PM
Its on my laptop..  :)
posted by ProgressivePete2 on Jun 22, 2007 at 09:58 PM
Is it a pdf file? If it is, can you make comments, use stickies and send it back to congress? Uh, I doubt it.
posted by dusty1215 on Jun 22, 2007 at 10:01 PM

Yes, its a pdf file..and I take a gander at it during the commercials on the Padre game on my laptop too. Since I have wireless I can watch the game in bed while looking over the Saudi file on the 9/11 flights outta Dodge..aka the U.S.

 

It helps with my back. I can't sit as long as I used to, even in an ergonomic chair :(

posted by ProgressivePete2 on Jun 22, 2007 at 10:15 PM
Dang that sux. Are you getting acupuncture as well as chiropractic care? I hear it makes a difference. Heck, I just hope you don't get hooked on the pain pills. It's not that hard to.
posted by dusty1215 on Jun 22, 2007 at 10:20 PM

I don't take the pain pills all the time..I suck it up and deal..or sleep when it's that bad. Padres lost to the Red Sux 2-1, and fall out of first in the West.

 

I am gonna go cry now :P Have a good weekend Pete :)

posted by ProgressivePete2 on Jun 22, 2007 at 10:25 PM
Ah don't worry, what are there like 3 million games left?

The giants suck this year I'm hearing. Bonds, love him or hate him will break the record this year. If he were playing anywhere else besides PacBell/AT&T/whatever telecom is the new sponsor this week park, he would have broken the record years ago. The guy is amazing. I could care less about the NLB sanctioned/look the other way roids.
posted by Neverleft on Jun 22, 2007 at 10:48 PM
Dusty. If you would have checked the polling data I indicated you would see that it is an averahe of all the latest polls. That's a better way than to take one liberal poll from  Newsweek. Even you should be able to figure that one out.
posted by dusty1215 on Jun 22, 2007 at 11:45 PM
No, its not 'way' better Neverleft. They pick the weeks they want to avg in..and they are different than the weeks used to avg the Dem's numbers. I know because I did the math the last time a neocon used them on these blogs.

"Even you should be able to figure that one out."-Keep being an ass, its so becoming on you..it shows how you need a little cheese with that whine.
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Jun 23, 2007 at 07:21 AM

Neverleft wrote, "This will surprise everyone but here's one conservative Republican who thinks Cheney is a loose canon.  Bad news for the Republican Party."

Actually, it doesn't surprise me at all.  You, like me, remember what the Republican Party used to stand for.  You're one conservative Republican who has more awareness and less blind loyalty than this administration and current GOP leadership would prefer to see.

Their goal is simple: absolute power over every aspect of our personal lives.  And their every single action, and every single decision, is decided by whether the result or side effect would be to strengthen their grip on power and extend the legal reach of that power.

What we have today is an absolute, pure, ruthless, singleminded, implacable political monster.  And I will not vote for one more Republican until that cancer has been removed from the White House and the GOP party leadership.

Your gun post is timely, because no amount of persuasion, reasoning, or appeal will alter the course of these sheer evil monsters at the helm.

 

posted by Neverleft on Jun 23, 2007 at 08:28 AM

Rusty,

There you go again.  If they don't agree just call them names. Better check your meds. They might be what is closing your mind. You will probably be happy but I will not post with you from now on.  Have a nice, bitter day.

posted by dusty1215 on Jun 23, 2007 at 08:45 AM
Personal attacks seem to be the only thing your good at NeverLeft. Why am I not surprised? After all, its all you have with the current administration in the WH isn't it? Now, go enjoy that wonderful life your always touting, and leave the discussions to the grown-ups that actually have something to add, unlike you and your pathetic  grade-schoolesque ad-hominem attacks.
posted by GrpThink on Jun 23, 2007 at 09:58 PM
The Democrats are about to make Cheney regret his royal decree.

Democrats plan to cut Cheney out of executive funding bill
http://tinyurl.com/26xfyz

Following Vice President Dick Cheney's assertion that his office is not a part of the executive branch of the US government, Democratic Caucus Chairman Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-IL) plans to introduce an amendment to the the Financial Services and General Government Appropriations bill to cut funding for Cheney's office.

"The Vice President has a choice to make. If he believes his legal case, his office has no business being funded as part of the executive branch," said Emanuel in a statement released to RAW STORY. "However, if he demands executive branch funding he cannot ignore executive branch rules. At the very least, the Vice President should be consistent. This amendment will ensure that the Vice President's funding is consistent with his legal arguments."
posted by GrpThink on Jun 23, 2007 at 09:59 PM
Personal attacks seem to be the only thing your good at NeverLeft

Funny how he complains that you call names, and then comes out with this:

Better check your meds. They might be what is closing your mind.
posted by TomW on Jun 23, 2007 at 10:09 PM
GrpThink: unfortunately, Rahm has already called it a stunt.  Until this comes to the floor, the Dems get no credit for floating it.
posted by TomW on Jun 23, 2007 at 10:55 PM
H4F: You, like me, remember what the Republican Party used to stand for.  You're one conservative Republican who has more awareness and less blind loyalty than this administration and current GOP leadership would prefer to see.

Their goal is simple: absolute power over every aspect of our personal lives.  And their every single action, and every single decision, is decided by whether the result or side effect would be to strengthen their grip on power and extend the legal reach of that power.

I see it a bit differently.  The people in power don't care about what sex you're having.  Everyone in this administration has written a book with beastiality or rape or homosexuality in it or has been to all the sex clubs or has some weird fetish.  They don't care if gay people get married or about abortion or any of the other things they talk about every election cycle. Those postures are only to rile up the low information voters.

What they do care about is the stuff they've actually done something about.  Lower taxes for the top 1%.  Funneling taxpayer dollars into their own companies.  Reducing regulations on pollution, reducing unions, promoting corporate consolidation, breaking off chunks of the government bit by bit.

They don't care if you have gay sex with monkeys on YouTube.  What they want is a for-profit government.  They want to turn America into a company store.  You can have your total freedom of choice as long as they manufacture, produce and profit from all of those choices.

All this arguing over morality is simply a distraction from the real issues.
posted by GrpThink on Jun 23, 2007 at 11:18 PM
I'd like to see a Democrat introduce the bill and watch the manure hit the fan.

Democrats could get their approval rating to jump 10 points just by introducing it.
posted by TomW on Jun 24, 2007 at 08:43 AM
Yeah they could, GrpThink.  They could get the same or a bigger bounce by cutting off the funding for the war.  In July, they need to set the requirements under which additional funding will be given when the President comes back in September.  They need to clearly outline the history of the stories we've been told.  The "six more months" lie that has been going on since 2004.  All of the lies about the metrics and the supressed numbers.

The first thing they need to do is reintroduce the Stem Cell Research Bill and pass it over a Presidental Veto.  We're 3 votes away on that, and we could get them pretty easily.  It'll be a first step to let the Congresscritters know that opposing this President and his policies is actually good for them in a self-interest kind of way.
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Jun 24, 2007 at 09:10 AM

Tom wrote, "I see it a bit differently.  The people in power don't care about what sex you're having.  ...  They don't care if gay people get married or about abortion or any of the other things they talk about every election cycle. Those postures are only to rile up the low information voters."

I don't see it that way at all.  To the extent that they engage in such fantasies -- or even activities -- themselves, means nothing.  Hypocrisy is nothing new.  They have already demonstrated that they think they are above the law.  With this administration, as with any tyranny, the laws are only for the little people.

On the appointment of Constitution-hating judges, why would Bush try every trick in the book to install bad judges anyway -- even when they can't get past the Senate?  He wouldn't keep doing that if this wasn't a top priority.

Whiizzit that his every appointment to an important FDA or health-related leadership position is someone who hates sex for religious reasons?  In my eyes, that's the perfect way to implement a theocratic agenda with few people noticing. 

Why are both of his Attorney General appointments dedicated to fighting the war on sex in the media?

Bush doesn't need to make a big public scene about these things.  Since they know that the American people wouldn't support it if they knew, it's best for the agenda if he can slip it by without anyone noticing.  Sure, he trots them out to rally the base: election time.  He has to make sure that the agenda's enablers remain in Congress.  The rest of the time, it's best done under cover -- and the media are happy to give him that cover.

If Bush is just catering to corporate interests, why would corporate interests want to see Bush's behaviors above?  It's corporate America that doesn't care what sex you're having.  In a different legal climate, they'd see dollar$$$ in it.

And finally, what interest would theocrats have in the PNAC?  Yet they do:

http://www.newamericancentu...

Look at some of those who signed it.

 

posted by Hardliner4freedom on Jun 24, 2007 at 09:25 AM

I should add that you'll find that Bush's strongest supporters are theocratic groups.  They know what he's doing under cover of media darkness -- and loving it.  These are some of the most narrow-minded, demanding, intolerant people on earth -- and if Bush was performing at a mere 90% level for them rather than 100%, they'd be berating him for the 10% failure level.

posted by TomW on Jun 24, 2007 at 09:45 AM
H4f, they actually have been attacking him for his lack of resolve on a lot of issues.  But many of these issues that are shrouded in morality are actually financial issues.  For example, the stem cell research bill isn't about "snowflake babies", it's about the fact that any development made with tax dollars is owned by the public.  If it was about morality, they would be pushing for a total ban.

I think the reason you see theocrats in high ranking positions is to partly to placate the base, but also because generally the theocrats don't pay attention to the corporate issues and simply go along because those things don't concern them.  Ashcroft got it on the wiretapping, and that's why he's gone.  Gonzolas isn't a theocrat, but sees theocracy as a tool to consolidate power.

From your PNAC link:

Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:

• we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;

• we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;

• we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;

• we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

This essentially is a Corporate Christian Army they are talking about.  Security, prosperity and principles.  Challenge regimes hostile to our interests and our values.  The right hand and the left hand have found ways to work together.
posted by dusty1215 on Jun 24, 2007 at 10:09 AM
The PNAC creeps and the Theocrats are one in the same. This isn't news. What is news is how the MSM ignores them and in most cases caters to them. So much for that 'liberal bias' in the MSM.
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Jun 24, 2007 at 10:14 AM

On the bright side, Tom, at least we're united in agreeing that this evil monstrosity needs to be stopped -- even if we see very different predictions in our respective tea leaves.

 

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dusty1215 - > Dusty's View of Life -> When Cheney doesn't like something..he tries to abolish it.
When Cheney doesn't like something..he tries to abolish it.
From the NYT:

For four years, Vice President Dick Cheney has resisted routine oversight of his office’s handling of classified information, and when the National Archives unit that monitors classification in the executive branch objected, the vice president’s office suggested abolishing the oversight unit, according to documents released yesterday by a Democratic congressman.

The Information Security Oversight Office, a unit of the National Archives, appealed the issue to the Justice Department, which has not yet ruled on the matter.

Representative Henry A. Waxman, Democrat of California and chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, disclosed Mr. Cheney’s effort to shut down the oversight office. Mr. Waxman, who has had a leading role in the stepped-up efforts by Democrats to investigate the Bush administration, outlined the matter in an eight-page letter sent Thursday to the vice president and posted, along with other documentation, on the committee’s Web site.

Officials at the National Archives and the Justice Department confirmed the basic chronology of events cited in Mr. Waxman’s letter.

The letter said that after repeatedly refusing to comply with a routine annual request from the archives for data on his staff’s classification of internal documents, the vice president’s office in 2004 blocked an on-site inspection of records that other agencies of the executive branch regularly go through.

But the National Archives is an executive branch department headed by a presidential appointee, and it is assigned to collect the data on classified documents under a presidential executive order. Its Information Security Oversight Office is the archives division that oversees classification and declassification.

“I know the vice president wants to operate with unprecedented secrecy,” Mr. Waxman said in an interview. “But this is absurd. This order is designed to keep classified information safe. His argument is really that he’s not part of the executive branch, so he doesn’t have to comply.”

A spokeswoman for Mr. Cheney, Megan McGinn, said, “We’re confident that we’re conducting the office properly under the law.” She declined to elaborate.

Other officials familiar with Mr. Cheney’s view said that he and his legal adviser, David S. Addington, did not believe that the executive order applied to the vice president’s office because it had a legislative as well as an executive status in the Constitution. Other White House offices, including the National Security Council, routinely comply with the oversight requirements, according to Mr. Waxman’s office and outside experts.

Tony Fratto, a White House spokesman, said last night, “The White House complies with the executive order, including the National Security Council.”

The dispute is far from the first to pit Mr. Cheney and Mr. Addington against outsiders seeking information, usually members of Congress or advocacy groups. Their position is generally based on strong assertions of presidential power and the importance of confidentiality, which Mr. Cheney has often argued was eroded by post-Watergate laws and the prying press.

Mr. Waxman asserted in his letter and the interview that Mr. Cheney’s office should take the efforts of the National Archives especially seriously because it has had problems protecting secrets.

He noted that I. Lewis Libby Jr., the vice president’s former chief of staff, was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice for lying to a grand jury and the F.B.I. during an investigation of the leak of classified information — the secret status of Valerie Wilson, the wife of a Bush administration critic, as a Central Intelligence Agency officer.

Mr. Waxman added that in May 2006, a former aide in Mr. Cheney’s office, Leandro Aragoncillo, pleaded guilty to passing classified information to plotters trying to overthrow the president of the Philippines.

“Your office may have the worst record in the executive branch for safeguarding classified information,” Mr. Waxman wrote to Mr. Cheney.

In the tradition of Washington’s semantic dust-ups, this one might be described as a fight over what an “entity” is. The executive order, last updated in 2003 and currently under revision, states that it applies to any “entity within the executive branch that comes into the possession of classified information.”

J. William Leonard, director of the oversight office, has argued in a series of letters to Mr. Addington that the vice president’s office is indeed such an entity. He noted that previous vice presidents had complied with the request for data on documents classified and declassified, and that Mr. Cheney did so in 2001 and 2002.

But starting in 2003, the vice president’s office began refusing to supply the information. In 2004, it blocked an on-site inspection by Mr. Leonard’s office that was routinely carried out across the government to check whether documents were being properly labeled and safely stored.


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posted by tempinsane on Jun 22, 2007 at 09:45 AM
So. What!  He is just smarter than the average lib, Bush hater and you cannot stand it!
posted by mattloch on Jun 22, 2007 at 09:53 AM
If he's not part of the Executive Branch, then executive privilege doesn't apply. First stop: energy hearings, 2001!
posted by dusty1215 on Jun 22, 2007 at 10:00 AM
His intelligence or lack thereof has nothing to do with the subject tempinsane. Your a real peach aren't you? He is putting himself above the law and if that doesn't work, he tries to dissolve the office that is 'bothering' him.
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Jun 22, 2007 at 10:03 AM

Their every action seems to have as its penultimate goal the reduction and eventual elimination of government accountability.  In the 1990s, the Right railed against "government out of control."  Today, they're creating it.

The ultimate goal, of course, is completely unfettered regulatory power over our intimate and personal lives.

posted by dusty1215 on Jun 22, 2007 at 10:07 AM
Yes H4F, thats how I see it..eliminating all accountability. It should be noted Cheney's office has the worst record of keeping secrets..secret.
posted by mattloch on Jun 22, 2007 at 10:09 AM
The longer the Democrats allow this to happen, the worse things will get. At this point, not holding impeachment hearings only re-enforces what many on the right are claiming: that this country is going to hell, and is no longer a democracy. I thought we couldn't get any lower after abolishing habeas corpus, but sadly I was wrong. At this point we might as well start burning flags and copies of the Constitution, since they no longer even represent anything worth saving......

/IOU Cheney: 1 military-grade cockpunch
posted by tempinsane on Jun 22, 2007 at 10:36 AM
You are all entitled to your opinion but you are all wrong.  Just a bunch of jealous Bush haters.  Lets see........very unhappy with your puppets in congress cannot get anything done as promised.  Just a bunch of unhappy libs that cannot get anything on our prez!
posted by anonymous on Jun 22, 2007 at 10:53 AM
posted by Neverleft on Jun 22, 2007 at 11:57 AM
This will surprise everyone but here's one conservative Republican who thinks Cheney is a loose canon.  Bad news for the Republican Party.
posted by dusty1215 on Jun 22, 2007 at 11:58 AM
Ya think Neverleft? Of course the 29% still drinking the BushCo koolaid love him. But thats a pretty narrow base.
posted by dusty1215 on Jun 22, 2007 at 11:59 AM
Thank you annoy for that cute little pic and I do ignore the asshats..its quite easy.
posted by ghostriter on Jun 22, 2007 at 04:14 PM

When Cheney doesn't like something..he tries to abolish it.

Hmmm...I wonder what Cheney disliked about the guy he shot?

posted by anonymous on Jun 22, 2007 at 04:36 PM
posted by anonymous on Jun 22, 2007 at 04:37 PM
posted by ProgressivePete2 on Jun 22, 2007 at 05:27 PM
Boy does it crack me up when people say that we're just bush haters (like it's that simple), but can't for the life of them come up with anything good he's done or effectively defend a single one of his policies. I don't think the Kool-aid drinkers actually like him, they're just too afraid to say anything bad in fear of being called a liberal by the other Kool-aid drinkers.

Cheney on the other hand is just about the most insane public official I've ever seen. The guy actually thinks he's not in the executive branch, even though his office is in the west wing. Can you say unfit to serve? Him and the can't remember AG need to be removed from office immediately. Hopefully in hand cuffs.
posted by Neverleft on Jun 22, 2007 at 07:19 PM
Dusty. Where did you get the 29% figure. I think it is slightly higher). Do you have a source?
posted by ProgressivePete2 on Jun 22, 2007 at 07:34 PM
Dusty, you were incorrect in your percentage. There's only 26% Kool-aid drinkers left.

Here's a whole bunch of sources NL.

http://news.google.com/news...
posted by Neverleft on Jun 22, 2007 at 08:01 PM

Pete.  You conveniently forgot to include this from the same source. discount one poll and the average comes up to 31% 

Recent polls by RealClearPolitics.com show Congress with an average approval rating of 25 percent. Bush gets a 31 percent average, according to the political Web site.

posted by dusty1215 on Jun 22, 2007 at 08:16 PM

And RCP is a rightwing site with their own agenda..so much for that NeverLeft. I will take CBS,ABC, Rueters and a slew of other polls over anything RCP regurgitates.

posted by dusty1215 on Jun 22, 2007 at 08:33 PM
Try the most recent Newsweek poll Neverleft: