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dusty1215 - > Dusty's View of Life -> Rummy and Cheney out on the "Stay the Course" tour..coming to a town near you!
Rummy and Cheney out on the "Stay the Course" tour..coming to a town near you!
I am sure these two will get around to Cali, they are hitting the bricks everywhere..spewing their slogans and diatribes without any plan..no substance...but they don't need a plan right?

And basically they are tossing the rest of us, that don't go with their program, under the bus. Everyone by now has heard or read about Rummy's rant. The push for the 9/11 anniversary, will now overshadow that of our biggest tragedy, the Gulf Region and NOLA after Katrina.

Thats because they all came off looking like friggin boobs and continue to do so with respect to rebuilding the Gulf. Ah, but 9/11, is vastly different..

It works for them. It gives them an enemy to demonize and rail against. When I saw the headline about Rummy's speech I just went..oh sweet jesus, are you kidding me? Seriously..I did.

A bunch of American Legionnaires got to listen to Rummy spew some shit the other day. Poor suckers. Of course Rummy was in his element, so it really worked well for him..go figure.So the shills and Oval Office whores will be warming up the audiences' to the run-up of the anniversary of 9/11. Big-Dick Cheney also gave a barn-burner of a speech at the U.S. Strategic Command in Omaha. He slammed those of us that dare to question or point at them and object to the war machine. Thats his schtick of course.

So Frick and Frack did their stints in front of the home crowds, spewing venom and attacks that in essence will be repeated a million times between now and election day. But Rummy went a step further and really pulled out the big guns, as witnessed by this little writeup over at Slate.com. Ol Rummy gave us these actual questions for us to think on:

Can "we" afford to believe we can negotiate with terrorists? Well, his other choice is war..so I am banking on negotiating..sorry, I am just not into war as a means of solving differences between cultures and countries. And my money is on most of American not being into war as a means to end the occupations in the Middle East. So, was he bashing the majority of Americans that do not want to wage war all over the place or what? This part really jacked my jaw: "any kind of moral or intellectual confusion about who and what is right or wrong can weaken the ability of free societies to persevere in any long war."--Did that jackass just say we are confused"??? Let me make this very clear..I am NOT confused..morally or intellectually, and niether is anyone else opposed to the occupation of Iraq.

His minion explained the remark by saying Rummy just wants us to remember history and what happened in the 30's. -Excuse me, but that was a totally different type of vile threat..it was a country lead by a ruler that was quite obvious, and his troops,well they were dressed for combat and fought a traditional war..if there is such a thing..which btw isn't how the current bad-guys fight..And then the bag of batshit compared us to the people that wanted to appease Hitler..oh no he didn't....

Nancy 'bulldog" Pelosi had this reponse to Rummy's bitchfest: "If Mr. Rumsfeld is so concerned with comparisons to World War Two, he should explain why our troops have now been fighting in Iraq longer than it took our forces to defeat the Nazis in Europe,"--Good point Nancy, like I said..this old sumbitch is using tactics that were applied to fighting Hitler, to a new breed of vulgar vermin that hide amongst the woman and children, and do not wear uniforms and fight in the open.

Retired Army officer and and Senator from Rhode Island, Jack Reed a member of the Armed Services Committee btw, had this to say about Rummy's delusional attack on the majority of americans: "Secretary Rumsfeld continually substitutes sloganeering for strategy. And any strategy relies not only on a plan, but also adequate resources. And in the case of Iraq, there was no adequate planning and insufficient resources from the very beginning."--Thank you Jack, and btw..we don't have the soldiers to wage a sustained war against everyone we hate or can't get along with..unless of course we bring back the draft..

Back to the Big-Dick, our VP of Whoring..he was really 'en fuego" too, schilling for Bush by reminding his captive audience of Veterans in Reno of the following: "No one can guarantee that we won't be struck again. But to have come this far without another attack is no accident," Cheney said, crediting "sound" decisions by President Bush and vigilance by U.S. agencies and the military."--Jeebus, I almost bit off my tongue when I read about the "sound decisions"..I shat you not dear reader. And god knows "these guys" and their buddies at the NSA and CIA are just the best at stopping terrorist activities..right? Well, they are really good at spying..on us at least.

All I know is..we are going to get a friggin boatload of warmongering between now and 9/11..you can take that to the bank my dear reader. Lets hope the Dems' and those that oppose spending millions of tax dollars,watching thousands of American soldiers die in a losing situation, will keep up the counter-attack on this bravado and bullshit from the Executive Branch's bullies..I can't wait for Bush to hit the circuit..at least he should provide some guffaws..the man can't put two sentences together without looking like the village idiot...but he is the Main Event on the second phase known as "Support the war or else" Tour this election season.
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posted by mattloch on Aug 31, 2006 at 03:20 PM
Keith Olbermann spoke about this last night. This was mentioned in another blog's postings, but I'll copy the full thing here instead of trusting everyone to follow a link (since we know that certain someones would rather spout off before reading links posted that they may disagree with):

The man who sees absolutes, where all other men see nuances and shades of meaning, is either a prophet, or a quack.

Donald H. Rumsfeld is not a prophet.

Mr. Rumsfeld’s remarkable speech to the American Legion yesterday demands the deep analysis—and the sober contemplation—of every American.

For it did not merely serve to impugn the morality or intelligence -- indeed, the loyalty -- of the majority of Americans who oppose the transient occupants of the highest offices in the land. Worse, still, it credits those same transient occupants -- our employees -- with a total omniscience; a total omniscience which neither common sense, nor this administration’s track record at home or abroad, suggests they deserve.

Dissent and disagreement with government is the life’s blood of human freedom; and not merely because it is the first roadblock against the kind of tyranny the men Mr. Rumsfeld likes to think of as “his” troops still fight, this very evening, in Iraq.

It is also essential.  Because just every once in awhile it is right and the power to which it speaks, is wrong.

In a small irony, however, Mr. Rumsfeld’s speechwriter was adroit in invoking the memory of the appeasement of the Nazis. For in their time, there was another government faced with true peril—with a growing evil—powerful and remorseless.

That government, like Mr. Rumsfeld’s, had a monopoly on all the facts. It, too, had the “secret information.” It alone had the true picture of the threat. It too dismissed and insulted its critics in terms like Mr. Rumsfeld’s -- questioning their intellect and their morality.

That government was England’s, in the 1930’s.

It knew Hitler posed no true threat to Europe, let alone England.

It knew Germany was not re-arming, in violation of all treaties and accords. 

It knew that the hard evidence it received, which contradicted its own policies, its own conclusions — its own omniscience -- needed to be dismissed.

The English government of Neville Chamberlain already knew the truth.

Most relevant of all — it “knew” that its staunchest critics needed to be marginalized and isolated. In fact, it portrayed the foremost of them as a blood-thirsty war-monger who was, if not truly senile, at best morally or intellectually confused.

That critic’s name was Winston Churchill.

Sadly, we have no Winston Churchills evident among us this evening.  We have only Donald Rumsfelds, demonizing disagreement, the way Neville Chamberlain demonized Winston Churchill.

History — and 163 million pounds of Luftwaffe bombs over England — have taught us that all Mr. Chamberlain had was his certainty — and his own confusion. A confusion that suggested that the office can not only make the man, but that the office can also make the facts.

Thus, did Mr. Rumsfeld make an apt historical analogy.

Excepting the fact, that he has the battery plugged in backwards.

His government, absolute -- and exclusive -- in its knowledge, is not the modern version of the one which stood up to the Nazis.

It is the modern version of the government of Neville Chamberlain.

But back to today’s Omniscient ones.

That, about which Mr. Rumsfeld is confused is simply this: This is a Democracy. Still. Sometimes just barely.

And, as such, all voices count -- not just his.

Had he or his president perhaps proven any of their prior claims of omniscience — about Osama Bin Laden’s plans five years ago, about Saddam Hussein’s weapons four years ago, about Hurricane Katrina’s impact one year ago — we all might be able to swallow hard, and accept their “omniscience” as a bearable, even useful recipe, of fact, plus ego.

But, to date, this government has proved little besides its own arrogance, and its own hubris.

Mr. Rumsfeld is also personally confused, morally or intellectually, about his own standing in this matter. From Iraq to Katrina, to the entire “Fog of Fear” which continues to envelop this nation, he, Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney, and their cronies have — inadvertently or intentionally — profited and benefited, both personally, and politically.

And yet he can stand up, in public, and question the morality and the intellect of those of us who dare ask just for the receipt for the Emporer’s New Clothes?

In what country was Mr. Rumsfeld raised? As a child, of whose heroism did he read? On what side of the battle for freedom did he dream one day to fight? With what country has he confused the United States of America?

The confusion we -- as its citizens— must now address, is stark and forbidding.

But variations of it have faced our forefathers, when men like Nixon and McCarthy and Curtis LeMay have darkened our skies and obscured our flag. Note -- with hope in your heart — that those earlier Americans always found their way to the light, and we can, too.

The confusion is about whether this Secretary of Defense, and this administration, are in fact now accomplishing what they claim the terrorists seek: The destruction of our freedoms, the very ones for which the same veterans Mr. Rumsfeld addressed yesterday in Salt Lake City, so valiantly fought.

And about Mr. Rumsfeld’s other main assertion, that this country faces a “new type of fascism.”

As he was correct to remind us how a government that knew everything could get everything wrong, so too was he right when he said that -- though probably not in the way he thought he meant it. 

This country faces a new type of fascism - indeed.

Although I presumptuously use his sign-off each night, in feeble tribute, I have utterly no claim to the words of the exemplary journalist Edward R. Murrow.

But never in the trial of a thousand years of writing could I come close to matching how he phrased a warning to an earlier generation of us, at a time when other politicians thought they (and they alone) knew everything, and branded those who disagreed: “confused” or “immoral.”

Thus, forgive me, for reading Murrow, in full:

“We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty,” he said, in 1954. “We must remember always that accusation is not proof, and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law.

“We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men, not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate, and to defend causes that were for the moment unpopular.”

And so good night, and good luck.

posted by dusty1215 on Aug 31, 2006 at 03:42 PM
I read it this morning since I missed Keith's show..the bad back ya know..but I give you a thousand thank-yous for posting it here Mattloch. The skimmers will still miss the point, but they miss the boat alot as it is..
posted by randomfactor on Aug 31, 2006 at 03:51 PM
Keith was insightful, but slightly off-target.  (Had to be, given the nature of American television today.)
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The vocal critics of the Bush Administration are not today's Winston Churchills.
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They are today's White Rose Society.  Or at least the buds of one.
posted by gr8scott on Aug 31, 2006 at 05:18 PM
Good post dusty and thanks mattloch for the Olbermann transcript. I watched him yesterday and he has never been better. 
He really took Rummy to the woodshed.
posted by Tridge on Sep 1, 2006 at 12:38 PM
I am just gonna let this dude say it lol

http://www.spikedhumor.com/...
posted by blognroll on Sep 1, 2006 at 02:31 PM

Unfortunately, complete and utter honesty is often misinterpreted by the enemy as weakness.  This creates a moral dilemma: Do you put American citizens at risk by laying all of your cards on the table, or do you create an illusion that the mission is on task and victory is within reach?  As far as I'm concerned, this in an example of the Bush administration flexing it's muscle, and supplying ammunition to psy-ops, the psychological operations of the military.  Are they being honest?  I can't say for sure, but I doubt if the scenario they are generating is "...the whole truth, nothing but the truth, so help (them), God."  On the other hand, is honesty always the best policy when it comes to fighting a war?  What if the Bush administration were to tell the nation, and the world, that this was all a terrible mistake, that this is a lost cause, and we'd best get out now while the getting out is still good?  What psychological impact to you think such a confession would have upon the collective psyche of the nation, and upon the collective psyche of world?  What could possibly be gained from such an admission?  Would terrorists stand back and say, "Look at how honest these Americans are.  Maybe they are not the infidels that we've made them out to be.  Let's give up our suicide bombing missions, lay down our weapons, and sign a declaration of peace!"???  I'm just asking.     

posted by ProgressivePete2 on Sep 1, 2006 at 03:36 PM
I watched Keith go off on Rummy. It was chilling to say the least. It's actually a better read than speech, just because he crammed so much into it that you don't have any time to reflect on what he just said. It takes a brave man to stand up to power, especially when your job is at stake. Edward R. Murrow would truly be proud. I'm glad to hear that his ratings are going up just as fox news is going down down down.
posted by dusty1215 on Sep 1, 2006 at 04:45 PM
Tridge, that is a GREAT video! Thanks for the link dude..I saved that one..and I will put it on my personal blog..

Murrow would be proud pete :)

Bush wouldn't know the truth if it hit him in his piehole...he's so used to lying to us, its pathetic.
posted by mattloch on Sep 1, 2006 at 10:26 PM
Honesty is what the government is supposed to work on. It took 30 years between the release of the Pentagon Papers and Robert McNamara's book for him to say that staying in Vietnam was wrong. Did the lie justify all of the dead soldiers? Did the lie honor all of the soldiers that died unnecessarily? Did the lie help up win the war? Did the lie make us stronger? BNR, it is precisely that thinking that made the black wall in Washington DC as long as it is. There is a time for lying in war. To protect soldiers in harm's way. To protect undercover sources. To protect the way you gather information. To hide tactics from the enemy. YOUR DO NOT LIE because it will help you politically. To cover your mistakes. To make money, for you or for others. To marginalize your political rivals. To hurt those you do not agree with. To violate the law, or the Constitution. To hide your strategy. To stay in power. Honesty isn't a weakness, BLT, unless the truth makes you weak. If you cannot stant up to the truth, then you have no place in a democracy. And democracy should have no place for you.
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Sep 2, 2006 at 09:20 AM
It's a little off topic, but here's a good read from the Sacramento Bee:
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Cal Thomas: Listening to Al Gore
http://www.sacbee.com/conte...

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In case you don't know, Cal Thomas is a very conservative, fundamentalist Christian.  But Cal Thomas isn't welcome in "Christian" political circles anymore.
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What did he do to get him excommunicated from their census of human beings?
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He wrote a book, "Blinded by the right," arguing that it was wrong to try to impose religion using the state.
posted by dusty1215 on Sep 2, 2006 at 09:54 AM
Damn, I will have to check that article out Hardliner..thanks for posting it :) I got a fantasy football draft..gotta run :)

Mattloch..great rant..thanks for posting it..as my personal blog states..I want the truth..and I don't care who gives it..just give me the truth..not opinion, not spin.
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Sep 2, 2006 at 12:53 PM

Yes, it's a good article.

 

He says a lot of things that I think are way off base -- like repeating that "liberal media" crap -- but he accurately sizes up a lot of the problems we face to day, even if the characterization of the media is off the mark.

 

He's an earnest guy, which makes him unwelcome among today's far right wing.

 

posted by anonymous on Sep 2, 2006 at 11:40 PM
Forget the politics, what we need to know is, "does Dick no that Kern is a second amendment county and is he bringing his gun"?
posted by dusty1215 on Sep 3, 2006 at 12:12 AM
Sweet Jesus in a Speedo...I hope not anony..give him a beer and he might shoot someone important..wait, do we have any important BakeTowners?
posted by anonymous on Sep 4, 2006 at 09:23 PM
Maybe you are confused about your own morality and intellect, for I tell you that many Americans are.  Why are you so hateful?  For someone who opposes war, you should stop creating conflict; it is like deliberately making war against your own people.  I tell you that Bush is not the one who started the conflict in Iraq, but he only did good to the people by taking out the bad leader, but they started conflict amongst themselves.  I don't understand why you believe Bush would want to spy on us 'normal Americans'.  He wanted to track the calls going to and from the Middle East, and if he wanted to spy on us, maybe it would do good.  Have you something to hide?  I tell you George Bush is a good man, a knower of truth, a follower of Christ, he does not want to spy on the personal lives.  He wants to stop atrocities.   I'm guessing you are politically a Democrat, and it is not possible for a Democrat to follow Christ, for obvious reasons; their morality. (abortion, gay rights, and so forth)  But I know that negotiating with people sounds like a swell idea, but that is not how it goes.  What you are witnessing is prophecy.  It is prophesized that there will be nations against nations, and that Jesus will come when all surrounding Israel attacks Israel.  And I tell you it is soon.  I say to you the Muslim people won't desire a negotiation.  They hate Americans and Christians, for they hate anyone who doesn't believe in what they do.  Their religion is from Christianity, but altered.  The Koran has altered stories of the Bible.  They believe the Koran came from God, but the truth is God is the same perfect God always and forever.  His Word is forever and ever.  The Koran book is impossible, and contradicts itself.  The Islamic religion doesn't believe in the Holy Spirit, nor Jesus Christ, Son of Man.  They only believe in God, whom they call Allah.  God wants every last person to be saved, and perhaps some Muslims will find the truth, due to the Trinity television that is now seen in Iraq and Iran, but the facts are the facts, and there will be those who fufill Revelation's prophecies.

May Jesus fill your heart, soul, and mind.
May you find the truth.
posted by anonymous on Sep 4, 2006 at 09:41 PM
"I don't understand why you believe Bush would want to spy on us 'I don't understand why you believe Bush would want to spy on us 'normal Americans'.s"'. Normal Americans as opposed to what?

Have you actually ever read a non-fiction book, nah you have to be able to think to do that.
posted by dusty1215 on Sep 4, 2006 at 09:54 PM
We listen to "their" rhetoric daily. We listen to their slogans, and you are going to jump me because I don't buy into their bullshit? 

More soldiers have been killed in Iraq now than people who died on 9/11. The whole reason we went into Iraq was to extract revenge for 9/11.

Jesus might save, but our current administration doesn't care about the lives they are wasting over in Iraq. Its all about saving "face" now. Thats crap. Maybe you don't mind sacrificing american soldiers/citizens for the cause, but I do.

And I won't apologize for that..
posted by dusty1215 on Sep 4, 2006 at 09:59 PM
I don't give a damn if Trinity network is being beamed into the Middle East. I don't want to convert anyone. Who are you to tell me what a Christian is? Its not up my government to deliver Christianity to any part of the world. Thats for god and the churchs..

Do not condescend to me about religion. You have some serious nads to even suggest what God's plan is, and I know it doesn't include George Bush and his warmongering bastard friends. They are the ones selling hate and discontent..not me or "my kind".
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Sep 5, 2006 at 07:31 AM

Anonymous wrote, "It is not possible for a Democrat to follow Christ, for obvious reasons"...

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Well, that was a hateful, bigoted comment.
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That reminds me of a certain group of people that Jesus chastized:
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Matthew 23:13
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to."  (NIV)
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Tell me, since you brought it up, in what way is Bush following Christ?  And in what ways does following Christ mean being a Republican?

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Unlike you, I'm not suggesting that Bush cannot follow Christ or doesn't sometimes do so.  But I would like to know what you think he is doing better than Democrats.
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If you come back with the answers that I think you will, I'll be glad to show you the many places in the Bible where God says "no, you should not do this."

posted by randomfactor on Sep 5, 2006 at 07:57 AM
Christ himself, were he alive today, would most likely be a Democrat.
posted by TomW on Sep 5, 2006 at 08:39 AM
Anon, I don't think you can be a Republican and be a Christian, for obvious reasons (not caring for the poor, not loving your neighbor etc.) Certainly you'd have to do some acrobatics to make it work.  And many Democrats do oppose abotion, they just know that making abortion illegal would work about as well as making drugs illegal.  I am a Christian Democrat.  If Bush doesn't want to spy on you, why not go to the FISA court?  It was set up to do exactly what you say he is doing with his illegal spying program.  If he is a Christian, why does he disobey the law?
posted by ProgressivePete2 on Sep 5, 2006 at 08:53 AM
I don't know RF, the democrats aren't totally anti-war. I'd be willing to bet Christ would be a Green.

I see that the annonymous poster above is another wacko end of days type. Good luck with that. Hey, why don't you do the world a good deed, and take out all your money from the bank and give it to the poor. You'll be saved in the end, right? What do you need all those posessions for anyway? All you really need is a good pair of Nike running shoes for the next time the comet comes by.

I'd really like to know how it is that you *know* that Bush is a good man? Is it his charming texas accent? I'm just curious.
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Sep 5, 2006 at 09:04 AM

Waaaaaal...  Most Republicans love their neighbors and care for the poor.

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The trouble is they are being spoken for by a vicious GOP leadership and the thousands of talking hating heads on the radio who don't.

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Christians face the same image problem.  The majority of Christians are wonderful, kind-hearted people.  The problem is almost everyone in the media who claim to speak for Christ, aren't.

posted by dusty1215 on Sep 5, 2006 at 09:05 AM
Touche' Pete..I was wondering the same thing...how does one person look into the soul of another and determine without a doubt that they are indeed a "good man".
posted by dusty1215 on Sep 5, 2006 at 09:06 AM
I am readying another post for today..its a goodie..the 14pts of Facism..and how the Shrub hits all the marks..
posted by ProgressivePete2 on Sep 5, 2006 at 09:16 AM
Dusty, I just watched parts 3&4 of When the Levee Breaks yesterday. It really messed me up. It was both sad and uplifting. I'm just amazed at some of the positive attitudes of the FEMA victims. There's this perception that most of the FEMA victims were just poor welfare recipients, but these were hard working families. Families that had lived in the same house for 50+ years. Families that were broken apart because our government didn't care enough about them to get off their vacations to help. How anyone could think that Bush is a good man after Katrina is totally beyond my comprehension.
posted by dusty1215 on Sep 5, 2006 at 09:22 AM
Exactly Pete, the spectrum of people are portrayed in that documentary, its not ALL poor black people. The part that most people miss is that the lower 9th ward was mostly "owner-occupied" homes..not just the projects or rentals..over 50%.

I keep hitting the same points on my personal blog. I refuse to let the results of the levees' breaking go away..it should be part of the discussion for this election cycle..on my other blog I posted the voting patterns for all elected officials with regard to aid for the Gulf region..it is amazing how thoughtless and self-serving most of those bastards are with regard to the Gulf.
posted by TomW on Sep 5, 2006 at 09:26 AM
Hardliner: You're right about the leaders of the Republican party vs. Republicans.  Most of the Republicans I know are great people.  But the party direction is determined by its leaders.  I can't understand voting for someone who works against Christian principles and the principles of common decency and considering yourself a Christian.
posted by randomfactor on Sep 5, 2006 at 09:34 AM
Many of the Greens these days seem to be attached to the Republican Party.  In Ohio, at least...
posted by ProgressivePete2 on Sep 5, 2006 at 09:34 AM
Well, they didn't care about them before, so why start now? At least Bush/Cheney's cronies got their lucrative contracts and are wasting more of our tax dollars to not clean up the area and hire illegals to do the work on the cheap. I recall in the doc. the engineer that went to the Netherlands to look at their fantastic levee system, and was so embarrassed about ours that he didn't even want to mention them. Oh, but at least the casinos are up and running again. On a positive note, the Mardi Gras celebration was very uplifting. I have no doubt that it was the best medicine for the victims of FEMA.
posted by dusty1215 on Sep 5, 2006 at 09:38 AM
Your spot on Pete about the carpetbaggers raking in the cash..and yes, the Casino's are up and running AND they plan on expanding! All that land the owners can't afford to rebuild on..it won't go to waste, thats for damn sure.

On the anniversary day the levees broke there was a traditional jazz funeral from the Dome to St. Augustine's church..the media of course didnt' cover it..but they were all over the Shrub and his photo-ops..
posted by ProgressivePete2 on Sep 5, 2006 at 09:39 AM
RF, that's very upsetting to me. It seems like they are more than willing to get phony support from the wrong sources rather than doing what they set out to do. I sure hope it backfires on those crooked ohio republicans. Seems like they'll do or say anything they can to get elected. Even make it so people can't vote. Yeah real Americans they are.
posted by ProgressivePete2 on Sep 5, 2006 at 09:42 AM
I'm sure they didn't cover it because it was too depressing. Oh, no it's probably because it would make Bush look bad. Wouldn't want to do that. Bad for advertising dollars.
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