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There's problems in Iraq" he said, but its not a "terrible situation".
What is Dick Cheney drinking these days if he doesn’t consider the “situation” in Iraq to be terrible? Just what does it take for him to consider Iraq a terrible place? 100 dead Iraqi’s in one day must not count for anything in Dicks world. Blowing the back of the heads off of 4 American’s must not be too terrible either in Dick Cheney’s world. On CNN Cheney tried like hell to paint a rosy picture of what “we” have accomplished in Iraq. He was argumentative with Blitzer, not answering the questions put to him, just sounding like a broken record with the same rhetoric we have come to expect from this man that sits a heartbeat away from being President. When asked why he thought Hillary Clinton wouldn’t make a good president his remarks showed his ignorance and allegiance is to his party, not his country when he said:“Because she’s a Democrat.”
Now, I am not a fan of Hillary Clintons' but I do think that stating "Because she's a Democrat" is downright stupid as a rationale for why she wouldn't make a good president. Its along the lines of saying Barack Obama would make a lousy president because he is black, or John McCain would make a lousy president because he is from Arizona. Instead of providing examples to support his position that Iraq is going swimmingly, he said things like this: When Blitzer asked whether the administration’s credibility had been hurt by “the blunders and the failures” in Iraq, Cheney interjected: “Wolf, Wolf, I simply don’t accept the premise of your question. I just think it’s hogwash.” The President has admitted in two speeches lately that there have been mistakes, there have been short-sighted goals..but not Cheney. He refuses to admit to anything going wrong. Cheney’s delusional view of the war in Iraq was summed up quite well for me with this line: “Bottom line is that we’ve had enormous successes and we will continue to have enormous successes.”
Tags: Politics, Iraq, Dick Cheney 75 comments from 7 users
posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 25, 2007 at 09:01 AM
No, I drew an analogy Ron. If you agree that merely stating because she is a democrat is the only reason needed to dismiss Hillary..thats very sad. Why don't you and Cheney actually try to vocalize why she wouldn't be a good president instead of just looking foolish and partisan?Stating she is Democrat is a truth Ron..stating she won't make a good president because she is a democrat isn't btw. posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jan 25, 2007 at 09:01 AM
You should have heard the glossed over version that the Today show had about the Blitzer interview. My jaw dropped. They avoided all the controversy except that they portrayed Wolf as giving Cheney a hard time about his daughter. With news like that, it's no wonder so many people are misinformed. Lucky for me I listened to NPR on the way home yesterday.I liked Hillary's response to Cheney. Her adviser said "Didn't Dick Cheney tell us he knew where the weapons of mass destruction were? His track record on predictions isn't very good," Wolfson said His track record on truth isn't very good either. posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 25, 2007 at 09:05 AM
Pete, wolf's questions were dismissed by Cheney at every turn..Wolf finally ran out of things to interview him on, so I guess he asked about the gay daughter. Its was an interview but the person being interviewed obviously would rather talk to his friends at Fox than someone at CNN.
posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jan 25, 2007 at 09:11 AM
Cheney needs to go. I get this feeling that the longer Lewis Libby is in court the more trouble Cheney will be in. He's already admitted that he was acting outside his official job at the request of Cheney. It's getting good.
posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 25, 2007 at 09:19 AM
Yes Pete Libby's trial seems to not bode well for Cheney. But I think in the end..that Bush will paint a picture that he allowed this to happen so Cheney will not be responsible for outing anyone. Only Scooter will take the fall for a lousy lying to the grand jury charge.
posted by
robbwillis
on Jan 25, 2007 at 09:26 AM
Didn't I read yesterday that Libby was pinning it on Rove making him a scapegoat?
posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 25, 2007 at 09:28 AM
Libby's attorneys opening statement is that Libby is the "sacrificial lamb" for Rove and Cheney's abuses Ron.
posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jan 25, 2007 at 09:30 AM
I don't think it bodes too well for Bush either dusty. Scooter already said he wasn't taking the fall for anyone, especially Karl Rove.
posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jan 25, 2007 at 09:33 AM
Dusty, here's something you might like to see.History You Never Knew: How I Caused Nixon's Resignation posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 25, 2007 at 09:34 AM
Well, unless and until Scooter provides evidence of any wrongdoings by Rover or Cheney..he is the only one going down Pete. He has had ample opportunity to make a deal w/Fitz hasn't he? I still think there is something to the story that Rove is the one that cut a deal.. posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jan 25, 2007 at 09:39 AM
Remember dusty, it's not the crime it's the coverup.
posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 25, 2007 at 09:50 AM
Yeah..true dat Pete :Pthanks for the linkage to the kos writeup. It was interesting. I was quite the fan of watergate history so I knew alot of that stuff already. I am old enough to know the whole sordid thing from the beginning of it all. posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 25, 2007 at 09:53 AM
Remember Pete, the coverup is *ALSO* generally a crime (as in this case). . Dusty, remember that the Fitz grinds slowly but exceeding fine. In Illinois, he started with two or three indictments and worked his way slowly up the chain until like two years later he convicted the governor. And I, too, think Rove cut a deal--but I don't think he's quite as smart as he thinks he is. (He's got his own math, remember.) There's informed speculation that Libby's turning on Rove (and Cheney) indicates he now doesn't think there'll be a pardon in the mail for him--which will make him more likely to deal, at least at sentencing time. But we get ahead of ourselves. The jury's still in on this one... posted by
robbwillis
on Jan 25, 2007 at 09:53 AM
Great link Pete. A vet I knew in architecture class told us a story about how he had returned from Vietnam, but stayed in the reserves. He only had to get his hair cut once a year at the army's expense. Unfortunately, his unit got called up to protect the convention center in Miami in 72 and he found himself armed against people he'd of rather been with. posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 25, 2007 at 09:57 AM
I know about Fitz's history random..and I understand his methodical workings..but that said..I hope he didnt' shoot himself in the foot by giving Rover some kind of hall pass on Plamegate.
posted by
blognroll
on Jan 25, 2007 at 10:13 AM
I think the answer to the question about Hillary was an example of his dry sense of humor and his dismissive reply to a question he didn't want to give much thought to. I try to see the positive in everybody, but there are so many things wrong with Hillary. Where would he even begin? I think that a few decades from now, things will improve significantly in Iraq, and Bush and Cheney will each be perceived in a better light. Based on a recent interview I observed on Fox news, he's going to wait until the fall, after Hillary and Obama have slaughtered each other, and then he's going to make the big announcement. posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 25, 2007 at 10:21 AM
BLT..did you see the show? He wasn't being funny. For our VP to make a stupid statement like that without anything to base it on..such as oh..I don't know..lack of experience perhaps..shows that he judges everything according to the party lines. people are tired of partisanship when it comes to important matters. I want to know why someone isn't good enough for President, not their party affiliation as a reason to discount them. I don't care how Bush and Cheney are percieved 20 years or more down the road. Right now Cheney looks ridiculous, based on his argumentative interview with Blitzer. posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jan 25, 2007 at 10:21 AM
BLT, have you by chance read Hillary's biography? Some of it's kind of dry reading, but I bet if you read it you'd be surprised at how your perception of her isn't quite as accurate as you think. She's more conservative than most people think.You aren't suggesting that Cheney is going to run for president are you? I'd almost pay to see that. posted by
blognroll
on Jan 25, 2007 at 10:33 AM
PP2, the thing about biographies is that they usually consist of mostly propaganda. Dick Morris knows the real Hillary Clinton. Dusty, that's the thing about dry humor, the joke is told in such as way, and with such a lack of emotional intensity, that it is often perceived by the observer as a straight answer. And, no, PP2, I'm not expecting Cheney to run for President. I'm counting on Newt Gingrich to run, and I would vote for him in a heartbeat. posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 25, 2007 at 10:38 AM
Please, BLT, don't say "Cheney" and "heartbeat" in the same posting. If Cheney's old ticker were to fail today, that would make Bush president... . Gingrich isn't going to be the next President. Nor is Clinton. posted by
mattloch
on Jan 25, 2007 at 10:39 AM
I think the "big announcement" he'll make is the declaration of a national emergency, necessitating martial law and the suspension of elections and civil rights. Because there's no way he's going to run for president....
posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jan 25, 2007 at 10:40 AM
How do you know that's how her autobiography is when you haven't read it? I guess you've already made up your mind though. Newt huh? To think I was starting to believe you wanted someone to unite us. posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 25, 2007 at 10:50 AM
Does Newt even have half the support Bush does? Maybe he *IS* a candidate the whole country can unite against.
posted by
blognroll
on Jan 25, 2007 at 10:57 AM
Yes, PP2, I have a closed mind when it comes to Hillary's biography and an opened mind when it comes to Dick Morris's book about her. I'll have to work on that. As far as Newt Gingrich is concerned, he's more intelligent than all of the candidates on both sides put together. Also, he's working hard, and reaching out to folks on both sides of the political isle, while attempting to improve conditions in Iraq. posted by
mattloch
on Jan 25, 2007 at 10:59 AM
Newt? Just what we need, a president that's even more hostile towards Constitutional (human) rights than Nixon or Bush..... http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.nysun.com/articl...
posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jan 25, 2007 at 11:09 AM
But how do you get past Gingrich's shady past. Such as:Adulterer - many times over Draft Dodger - deferments Dead Beat Dad - Had to be taken to court to pay child support Pressed his wife for a divorce when she was in the hospital recovering from her third cancer surgery Bounced 22 checks in the house banking scandal Used taxpayer subsidies for partisan campaign and personal goals, taken from 2 charities for poor inner city kids. http://www.realchange.org/g... Hillary might not be perfect, but she damn well doesn't steal money from inner city poor kids. posted by
robbwillis
on Jan 25, 2007 at 11:10 AM
Dick Morris makes for a good interview. Just remember to keep your shoelaces tied tight...
posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 25, 2007 at 11:17 AM
BLT..again..unless you watched the show.the.man.wasn't.joking. ok? He actually got testy that he was asked a question about Hillary at all.
posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 25, 2007 at 11:17 AM
LMAO Robb..
posted by
blognroll
on Jan 25, 2007 at 11:27 AM
"But how do you get past Gingrich's shady past. Such as: Nobody's perfect, Pete. Before the election, even more dirt will be dragged up involving Hillary and Obama, maybe even Edwards. If you think they are squeaky clean, think again. Remember, they are politicians. "Newt? Just what we need, a president that's even more hostile towards Constitutional (human) rights than Nixon or Bush....." Newt's got a point, mattloch, though I don't necessarily agree with him. Nobody knew what kind of world this would turn into when the Constitution was created. Wouldn't you agree that free speech has become the most powerful and deadly tool of terrorists? posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 25, 2007 at 11:29 AM
Gee Ron..such a grand view of life..less people that you do not agree with..I see how you are..a minority that doesn't like being in the minority. were the people that voted out the Republicans ALL be considered "liberal" by your standards Ron? Just curious.posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jan 25, 2007 at 11:29 AM
Americans is generally what we call each other Ron. Americans.
posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 25, 2007 at 11:31 AM
I am guessing here that you are a fan of the Clinton conspiracy Ron..why am I not surprised by this? It fits with all your ideals about how horrible anyone that isn't Republican is..tsk tsk..
posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 25, 2007 at 11:33 AM
No, Ron, but if *I* were Libby I wouldn't fly on any private planes for a *LOOOONG* time. He may yet kill himself, something I wouldn't wish on Libby even though he appears several levels of integrity below Mr. Foster. . Senator Clinton has been pre-slimed by a $70,000,000 public witchhunt already. What charges against her came out of that investigation? Sure, there have already been lies printed about Obama--refuted already. I have no doubt the swift-boat-types are revving up lies against Edwards, who I believe is the real front-runner at this time. . No, I would not agree that free speech has become the most deadly tool of terrorists. What would make you say such a silly thing? It's one of our best protections. posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 25, 2007 at 11:35 AM
Amen, Pete. Ich bin American.
posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jan 25, 2007 at 11:39 AM
Funny, I always thought terrorists usually used bombs of some sort or another. Maybe he meant curtailing free speech is a tool of terrorists. You know, like Newt suggested we do.
posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 25, 2007 at 11:46 AM
Wow. Apparently the loss of the helicopter in Iraq a few days ago hit us harder than I realized. The 12 casualties included: 2 Colonels (one a surgeon, the chief medical officer) So the question becomes: who knew this helicopter was so heavily laden with the guys *LEADING* the fighting and the medical efforts? posted by
mattloch
on Jan 25, 2007 at 11:47 AM
BLT, our Constitutional rights are there for a reason. Sure, we may be "safer" without them. Hell, we'd be safest if we were all put into large prison camps and kept isolated from one another. But that isn't what I'd exactly call "American", or a valid presidential position. If you're trying to support his contention, you're in for one hell of a fight.
posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 25, 2007 at 11:48 AM
Ron, I genuinely doubt you know how Rev. Sharpton or Rev. Jackson feel. And yes, they're Americans too--however much that might bother you.
posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 25, 2007 at 11:49 AM
Ron, as I have said on numerous occasions I only delete personal attacks..its not guts its common sense. Your joke about going to Carters isn't funny if that was your intent. I have three blown discs in my back..that is the reason for my absence.
posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 25, 2007 at 11:52 AM
Which poll is that Ron, care to provide a link to it?
posted by
blognroll
on Jan 25, 2007 at 11:53 AM
Mattloch, I never said I supported Newt's assertion on this issue, only that I understand where he's coming from. I'm a big supporter of free speech and a big supporter of keeping this county and our children safe. We must constantly juxtapose freedom issues and security issues. Neither should be compromised to the point of that compromise becoming our nemesis. It is a tension that I'm hoping will lead to some creative solutions.
posted by
mattloch
on Jan 25, 2007 at 11:55 AM
I know it's been overused, but that doesn't make it any less useful.... "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" --Ben Franklin, 1759
posted by
mattloch
on Jan 25, 2007 at 12:01 PM
Also, "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."
posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jan 25, 2007 at 12:01 PM
They hate Obama huh? I seriously doubt that. From what I understand is that they want to know more about him and what he's for/against before they make any decision to endorse him. Too white. That's funny stuff.
posted by
blognroll
on Jan 25, 2007 at 01:25 PM
You may still be living in a pre-9/11 world, mattloch, but I admire your passion for free speech, as I admire those with a passion for keeping the country safe. I am hopeful that the message offered by advocates for freedom of speech and the message offered by advocates of national and international security will speak with one voice.
posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jan 25, 2007 at 01:33 PM
BLT, can you tell me exactly what you mean by "living in a pre-9/11 world"Besides the fact that it is currently 1/25 that is. posted by
TomW
on Jan 25, 2007 at 01:35 PM
Actually, Doc, the problem is that we reacted to 9/11 exactly as the terrorists wanted us to. We should have spent the money we are spending in Iraq on our domestic auto industry and getting off of foreign oil. We should have dropped fully loaded computers with internet access across the middle east. We should have legalized same sex marriage and put equal rights for everyone regardless of race, gender, sex, orientation in the Constitution. We should have increased freedom at home as a shining example and a giant "F* you" to the people who would dare to try to scare us. Then we should have stuck out our hand and said "All of you can have this too. Do not be afraid of people who threaten your life. Be brave so that your children will have a better life." We should have changed the world. Instead, we let them change the world.
posted by
mattloch
on Jan 25, 2007 at 01:36 PM
So what is permissible is a "post-9/11" world, BLT? Which Constitutional rights are no longer valid? If anything, our Constitutional rights are more important now.
posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 25, 2007 at 01:37 PM
We gave bin Laden a fat recruitment tool *AND* pulled our troops out of Saudi Arabia as he demanded. And then we let him sucker us into a treasury-destroying war, having gotten rid of one of his enemies in the process and handed Iraq over to Tehran.
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