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gube - > life is good -> The ill's of illegal immigration
The ill's of illegal immigration

I love America and i am not afraid to say that. what i don't love is illegal immigrants illegally living in this great country. I don't like them and i don't want them in America. I don't care where you are from if you are illegal then you are a criminal. In my eyes illegal immigrants are no better then a thief that breaks into your home to steal your things. Illegal is illegal,Its criminal. I am a supporter of the border fence and i want our immigration laws enforced. I want Employer's who hire illegals jailed. I want the immigrants that come here legally to supply a finger print to the Dept of immigration.I want when the immigrant applies for a job to have his print crossed matched with the Dept of immigration.No matcho no Jobo. Is this to much to ask for, i Don't think so.Please respond with your comments on illegal immigration.But please don't call me a racist. This is not a racial thing it's a illegal thing.

 

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posted by gube on Dec 23, 2007 at 10:53 PM

Coming soon to America.Don't laugh with all the unskilled labor pouring over our border it only a matter of time.If you don't think America will turn into a third world country then drive to Arvin or Lamont and you will see raw sewage flowing down the streets. Turn in illegals today.

 Turn in illegals today.

posted by jfrancais on Dec 23, 2007 at 11:25 PM
I love humanity and I'm not afraid to say it. For the sake of humanity, I would like to see a shift in American foreign policy to where the forcing of neo-liberal policies by proxy of the Washington Consensus (IMF and World Bank)  ceases to occur. I also would like to see an America where there is free health care and affordable education for all Americans. If that means becoming a socialist nation so be it. Democrats and Republicans say the same thing and don't address real issues. They are merely different ways of arriving to the same outcomes.
posted by samheath on Dec 24, 2007 at 04:41 AM

Slave labor is not the "humane" part of humanity. So long as we have a federal government dedicated to slave labor rather than America and legitimate citizens of America the problem will only become worse untle we are a nation of laws in fact and rid of a lawless government. Tragically for our nation, I don't see any indication of those in government changing their corrupt ways or keeping the laws they demand ordinary citizens without positions of power and privilege to keep.

posted by adampayne on Dec 24, 2007 at 06:05 AM
I would suggest getting a new avatar. Stealing a copyrighted image and distorting what that character truly represents is illegal.
posted by AudreyB on Dec 24, 2007 at 06:56 AM

GUBE

You know, it's one thing to be against illegal immigration because of the burden it puts on America's resources;  it's another thing to be against it because you're a bigot. 

Why are you against it?

posted by NancyII on Dec 24, 2007 at 07:06 AM
Excellent point Audrey.
posted by Charlie on Dec 24, 2007 at 07:47 AM
So where is the bigotry ? I have read the statement over several times and do not see it.  Please point it out for me. Or perhaps you are reading into it something that is not there ?
posted by AudreyB on Dec 24, 2007 at 07:54 AM

I don't like them   (Them, or their illegal status)

In my eyes illegal immigrants are no better then a thief that breaks into your home to steal your things  (There IS a big difference)

No matcho no Jobo  (Condescending lingualese)

Finally the picture of the boy peeing on the word illegal aliens is all I need to make my point.

posted by tonyh on Dec 24, 2007 at 07:54 AM

I'm not seeing bigotry either. It just sounds like a guy who is sick up and fed with the whole deal.

I think the operative word is "Illegal". I think that his fingerprint thing is just a way of not getting legal residents caught up in the exit program. Besides, I think that they already fingerprint legal immigrants.

posted by sagefever on Dec 24, 2007 at 07:56 AM
"Mr. Gorbachev,tear down this wall"~ ironic now ,eh?
posted by tonyh on Dec 24, 2007 at 07:59 AM

Audrey,

"In my eyes illegal immigrants are no better then a thief that breaks into your home to steal your things  (There IS a big difference)"

There really isn't that much difference. Whether they illegally enter our houses or illegally enter our Country. They're still trespassing in our home. Both cases are against the law.

"I don't like them   (Them, or their illegal status)"

I don't like them much either. They're criminals. They've broken the law. I don't like the employers who hire them much either, for the same reason.

"No matcho no Jobo  (Condescending lingualese)"

OK, this one I'll give you........................

posted by tonyh on Dec 24, 2007 at 08:01 AM
Aw c'mon Sage. Even YOU know that your comment doesn't apply in this case.
posted by sagefever on Dec 24, 2007 at 08:02 AM
LOL~ yet we are building a wall. I am not in favor of "illegals", but seriously a wall???
posted by AudreyB on Dec 24, 2007 at 08:07 AM

Tony

So, it makes no difference to you if a burgler breaks in your home, rifles through your personal belongings and takes all of your "stuff" OR an illegal slips across the border? 

My hat's off to you.   YOU ARE TOLERANT!!!!!

posted by tonyh on Dec 24, 2007 at 08:07 AM

Sage, do I need to school you on the deep significance of the Berlin Wall, why it was put up and why it needed to come down? It had nothing to do with illegal aliens invading a sovereign nation.

Why do you have a fence around your back yard (I'm assuming that you have a back yard)?

posted by Charlie on Dec 24, 2007 at 08:10 AM

Sage,

I agree, no fence . A well tended mine field about 100 yds. deep would do the job and not block the view. And the added bonus of  a very loud notification that somebody has tried to sneak in.

posted by tonyh on Dec 24, 2007 at 08:11 AM

Put your hat back on Audrey. I'm about to disappoint you. I am very intolerant of both.

A business card sized sign in the window beside my front door says it all. "Trespassers will be Shot. Survivors will be Shot Again."

As I've stated before, I welcome those who care enough to come here legally. I view them as guests, not trespassers.

posted by AudreyB on Dec 24, 2007 at 08:16 AM

A business card sized sign in the window beside my front door says it all. "Trespassers will be Shot. Survivors will be Shot Again."

By your definition that means that illegal aliens should be shot the minute they cross the border and the survivors should be shot again.

As I said, you are tolerant because you don't make a difference between the two types of illegal entries.

posted by tonyh on Dec 24, 2007 at 08:21 AM

I really don't see much difference between the two.

Most countries in the world have armed patrols on their borders. Sneeking in isn't tolerated.........period.

posted by sagefever on Dec 24, 2007 at 08:25 AM
tony~ why yes I do..the last old fence finally fell down and was replaced,but before that we all had little white picket fences,with gates that connected neighbors yards~ no alley just all yards abutting each other. I recall WW2 and the after math fairly well from school thanks. Gotta love that Marshall plan. A wall is not the answer,nor is ceding land for a mine field~ as the Berlin Wall showed us to well,desperate people do stupid things. It is a complex problem,I favor legal immigration. I am watching our neighbor state to see how their approach works for them. However I remain mindful California (which by the way is a Spanish name,so perhaps the Spanish say it as well as the Austrian) is the 6 th or so largest economy, and whatever steps we take had best be very well thought out ones.
posted by johnburnssucks on Dec 24, 2007 at 08:40 AM

I would suggest getting a new avatar. Stealing a copyrighted image and distorting what that character truly represents is illegal.

Only if the petitioning party can show damages of some kind or a measurable benefit by the other party. A satirical avatar on a free Bakerfield, Ca. newspaper forum doesn't come within a mile of meeting the measure.

Why don't you tell gube why you're really upset?

posted by johnburnssucks on Dec 24, 2007 at 08:45 AM

"Mr. Gorbachev,tear down this wall"~ ironic now ,eh?

Not at all. The Berlin Wall was built to keep people in. The border fence is to keep illegals out. By your reasoning, everyone who has a security screen door or bars on their windows in being inhospitable.

posted by username420 on Dec 24, 2007 at 08:49 AM

Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

posted by Charlie on Dec 24, 2007 at 08:49 AM

Sage,

The Berlin wall was built to keep people in as opposed to a border wall to keep people out. Apples and oranges.

posted by johnburnssucks on Dec 24, 2007 at 08:51 AM

Gube, if someone calls you a racist, laugh in their face. More often than not, a racist is any Caucasian who tells the unpleasant truth about a minority.

 

Don't walk on eggshells: If the truth hurts someone's feelings, it doesn't change the fact that it's the truth.

posted by sagefever on Dec 24, 2007 at 09:12 AM
That wall was built for both purposes gentlemen. What is the most dangerous thing to a closed society? Freedom,ideas and that wall served two purpose to keep them in and the rest out. It goes to the old saw,who is the servant and who is the king? When the king needs his servant to dress in the morning...those lines blur very fast. again I favor legal immigration.
posted by kbabe02 on Dec 24, 2007 at 09:26 AM
I have to agree with gube on this subject.  There is too much at stake.  Especially those that hate us Americans and want to hurt/kill us (does anhyone remember 9/11?).  As far as mexicans coming in illegally, this needs to be addressed ASAP.  Resources that are meant to be for hard working citizens of this great country (education, medical, etc.) are being severely exhausted.  Why?  We are so fearful to say "NO" to these people (thank you liberals) who have no desire to enrich their or anyone else's lives.  Gangs are infiltrating this town at an alarming rate.  It sickens me to drive around and see graffiti plastered all over this town.  I can certainly go on but I think that will be enough for now.  Oh, and before I am labeled a racist - please note that I am a productive hispanic who loves this community and the great U.S.A.
posted by drilnliftcrude on Dec 24, 2007 at 09:36 AM
I too favor legal immigration.  A fence encourages legal immigration by discouraging illegal immigration.  It would seem that those who are against a fence must  be against gates too.  So no border control at all is the humane thing to do?   The racist argument used by the open borders crowd is nothing more than a poor attempt to circumvent Godwins law.
posted by adampayne on Dec 24, 2007 at 09:40 AM
Hey, JBS, I did tell Gube why I'm upset. He is a thief. I also believe the people that have stickers and decals of Calvin praying are thieves. Clavin's likeness is not in the public domain, and people who appropriate the likeness for their own purposes are in clear violation of the law. If it were Mickey Mouse, Disney  would threaten a lawsuit to demand they cease and desist. I don't need to comment any further regarding the blog topic, it is as clear as day that the xenophobes are out in force even on Christmas Eve. So much for peace on earth and goodwill toward men with so much ignorance, fear and hostility in full view here.
posted by sagefever on Dec 24, 2007 at 09:46 AM
I love gates~ we have those already,boarder crossings. If I thought for one minute that would fix the problem,I'd say spend the cash and wall all four sides~surely we will need to enclose the whole place,much like a gated community. If we do not then all those things we fear will simply use the sea to access our shores. lol okay I am done being devils advocate for now~ Merry Christmas to All !  P.S. read my story about the orphans from Iraq being brought here by our troops,it is a real heart warming tale!
posted by gube on Dec 24, 2007 at 09:46 AM
Thank you for your comments. johnburnssucks i do laugh in a lot of peoples faces and i don't walk on eggshells. Go on the Tehachapi News Blogs and read The dark side of immigration.You will see that i an not shy about telling it like it is. Telling the truth makes people mad. I tell it but with a little edge to it, but it is still the truth I find it funny that supporters of illegal immigration want to make this a race issue. that I'm picking on Hispanics. Why don't i talk about the Canadians that illegally cross our border to work. this is why. Only 6% of illegals are from Canada AND Europe combined while 57% of illegals come from Mexico and another 24% come from other Latin country's.That's makes 81% of all illegals illegally crossing our border Hispanic of Latino decent, So in a way it is a race problem. It is easy to see why the spotlight is on the Hispanic illegal immigrants. I refuse to be political correct. I will continue to speak out against illegal immigration and hope you will join me in doing so.
posted by gube on Dec 24, 2007 at 10:16 AM
adampayne does this avitar meet your aproval. lol
posted by drilnliftcrude on Dec 24, 2007 at 10:29 AM
How 'bout this, Adam?  Good.
posted by sagefever on Dec 24, 2007 at 10:32 AM
drilling~ I always expect better of you and just hate it when you disapoint. That is a TOS violation~ do the right thing,remove it .show your self some respect. It is your Christmas after all.
posted by gube on Dec 24, 2007 at 10:33 AM
Oh hell i was just joking ha ha ha i like this avatar better.
posted by tkozy on Dec 24, 2007 at 10:46 AM

I agree with Theodore.



Without a border. No nation can exist.

Whose flag would we salute, Whose Anthem should we sing, if we have no borders.

A fence is not the total solution. It is like locking your front door. It keeps the honest ones honest.

A fence is in line with American tradition. You help yourself, you anticipate problems and provide preventive measures.

The best offense, is a good defense.

Our economy today is failing. We can not provide for those in America today. Allowing illegals of any nation the golden path to America, will only led them to misery and destitution. Enslavement under working conditions that even in the good times were despicable.

A fence is a act of kindness For those honest people who would want to better their lives. An indication to them that there is an Mexican dream. And indication that life is not so bad in in Mexico as opposed to other nations.

A fence will give them hope for a better Mexico. A Mexico so proud. They would protect their own borders. Salute their own flag. Sing their own Anthem.



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posted by drilnliftcrude on Dec 24, 2007 at 10:52 AM
I've come to expect your "selective indignation", particularily with name calling.  When a person that shares your opinion on a subject resorts to name calling, not a peep.  But when someone who doesn't share your views responds, here comes the outrage.
posted by sagefever on Dec 24, 2007 at 10:57 AM

Not true for there are many here whose opinions I do share and I ask the same of them. I usually get the same response from them as I did from you. I guess it always comes down to the personal drilling..and the season . BTW~ this ain't outrage pal....that you have not seen from me yet.

posted by drilnliftcrude on Dec 24, 2007 at 11:13 AM
Pal?
posted by sagefever on Dec 24, 2007 at 11:27 AM
Well I hardly think of you as an enemy:should I?
posted by anglo1 on Dec 24, 2007 at 02:28 PM
The first post was almost funny,  "free health care", no such thing.  I too believe in the big, two walled very substantial fence, but with this caveat, gates every 100 miles or so to allow identifiable visitors a safe port of entry and we know who is coming across the border and where they are going.  Sure they can lie but so can we when we go to other countries,  but they know who we are and where we are from.
posted by Lingtaowoo on Dec 25, 2007 at 11:14 AM
I like to take this time to Salute the legal immigrants that are in uniform that I watched on national news taking the oath of citizenship..for us,this is something special.These are people that wanted to be part of a nation so badly that they swore an oath to defend it WHILE working towards their citizenship...it wasn't given to them..they worked for it via due process..and they wanted it bad.So to them I say WELCOME to the melting pot nation.Welcome to the land of laws and cultures and religions that will not only benefit you and your family,but us all as a nation....and THANK YOU for your sacrifice to defending your new home.You have earned it my friends...
Of course,that's just my opinion
posted by Lingtaowoo on Dec 25, 2007 at 11:16 AM
OOPPSS.....Merry Christmas to alll....
posted by sagefever on Dec 25, 2007 at 11:53 AM
Merry Christmas Ling ! glad your back,but that's just my opilion~lol
posted by Lingtaowoo on Dec 25, 2007 at 12:02 PM
Thank You ~Sage~..I also want to Salute that veteran living in east Bakersfield for exercising his 1st Amendment Right--which I also watched on the news--for standing up and posting what he believes in on his front yard...it seems that 'some' people disagree with him..quite probably the ones that have to constantly look over their backs for I.C.E.
posted by gube on Dec 25, 2007 at 12:58 PM

Lingaowoo i also have great respect for non citizens that serve this great country. If they fight for this country then i believe they should receive Legal residency. If you are an immigrant that is playing by the rules then my hat is off to them.it is a long drawn out process to become legal but that's the way it is. By doing it illegal i feel your disrespecting the ones doing it legal.Anyway i just wanted to also say thanks to those fighting to keep this great country free.

Merry Christmas

posted by Lingtaowoo on Dec 25, 2007 at 01:14 PM
You see,I respect those that WANT to be part of a nation that respects the law and ASSIMILATES to the culture....BY LAW...but we have those in office right now that do not want to disturb the status quo because it's election time and they know full well that if they do,their political future is over...the illegal immigrant 'dollars' is a multi-billion dollar industry..that is what they are spending..but I don't know exactly how much they are taking from the communities..(schools-health-properties-taxes-etc )....it's like a catch 22 situation..damn if we do-damn if we don't..but I am VERY curious to see how the State of Arizona is going to do this January 1st...the law there has already been passed,and they are leaving
posted by gube on Dec 25, 2007 at 04:03 PM

If i had a Christmas wish it would be.......That all illegal would be deported.

My second wish would be .......that these incompetent governments that push their poor and uneducated citizens into America will start to take care of there own. (the worlds poor and uneducated are not Americas problems)

posted by Lingtaowoo on Dec 25, 2007 at 04:20 PM
I just wish that if immigrants that truly wish to be part of our nation to work,live,and worship as American Citizens and abide by our laws..to take the first step to abiding by our laws and be legal immigrants.This would show that they can start to assimilate into a society where the law is respected and followed...anyone can sit back and say "I want this and I want that"...and that I don't have to go thru that because I'm already here.....those are the ones that have to look over their shoulders from time to time--gotta be a terrible way to live....if you want to call that a life...but I do salute the ones that become naturalized...those are the ones that wanted citizenship badly...
posted by gube on Dec 25, 2007 at 04:41 PM
The illegals that don't play by the rules are snubbing their noses at the immigrant that are. Being able to migrate to this country is what makes it great. But there has to be a system to it, not a free for all. It truly is the illegals that i don't like and want in this country. To me it makes a difference that many illegals don't want to learn our language of our traditions.Why we don't demand all legal and illegal immigrants learn our language pisses me off. Every thing should be in English not Spanish. If they can't read English they would learn.   
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