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gube - > life is good -> Would this work in California?
Would this work in California?

Arizona has passed laws that will hold the Employers that hire illegals accountable. They will loose their Business License if caught hiring Illegal Immigrants. I like this law. It went into effect January first.  It appears to be working. Illegals are leaving Arizona. They are going to other states or back to their home countries. I hope that other states including California follows with similar laws. Tennessee and Oklahoma has also recently passed laws aimed at curbing Illegal Immigration. Oklahoma has passed some of the strictest laws on immigration. It will be interesting to see these new laws played out. It will also be interesting to see if some of these laws are overturned by some liberal judge. Another area to watch is if Arizona will suffer economically due to these new laws. People want something done with illegal immigration. I understand that mass deportation is not practical. We need to go after the employers that hire the illegals in doing this jobs will dry up and many illegals will return to their home countries. Would you like to see similar laws enacted here in California?

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posted by Griffon64 on Jan 31, 2008 at 11:28 AM

Absolutely.

And if the liberal crybabies are right and the economy suddenly tanks due to insufficient cheap labour, put a visa process in place that will allow migrant workers to work ( legally! ) for a period. Only guys with these visas would get to work, businesses hiring illegals would get the stick according to a law similiar as described above. That way the illegals can't be exploited as readily as they currently are. They are trackable, they are employed.

posted by Neverleft on Jan 31, 2008 at 12:14 PM

Right on! Arizona has a lot of good laws California could adopt.

posted by TomW on Jan 31, 2008 at 12:40 PM

Why would a liberal judge pverturn this?  If this law goes to court, it'll be conservatives who oppose it based on restriction of businesses.  Liberals have been saying all along that the way to end immigration is to go after the businesses, not the people.  Good on Arizona for adopting a liberal stance.

posted by luisadobbs on Jan 31, 2008 at 12:42 PM

 

What a laugh, leaving? Any illegal worth his salt works strictly under the table.

I even hired some illegals as models for a scene I wanted to shoot in the desert near Victorville. The guy who got the posters paid them cash.

posted by TomW on Jan 31, 2008 at 12:42 PM

Griffin, we already have a visa process in place called the H3-B visa.  The government issues about 500 per year.  Liberals have been pushing for an expansion of this program for years and for the INS agents to get these visas processed.

Maybe y'all are really liberals at heart.

posted by Griffon64 on Jan 31, 2008 at 01:54 PM

TomW - H3-B is only for workers with a skill not easily found in the States, and employers have to prove that they cannot easily fill such a position from within America, isn't it?

From USCIS' website on the different employment-based options:

  • First Preference (EB-1 priority workers): aliens with extraordinary ability, outstanding professors and researchers, and certain multinational executives and managers.
  • Second Preference (EB-2 workers with advanced degrees or exceptional ability): aliens who are members of the professions holding advanced degrees or their equivalent and aliens who because of their exceptional ability in the sciences, arts, or business will substantially benefit the national economy, cultural, or educational interests or welfare of the United States.
  • Third Preference (EB-3 professionals, skilled workers, and other workers): aliens with at least two years of experience as skilled workers, professionals with a baccalaureate degree, and others with less than two years experience, such as an unskilled worker who can perform labor for which qualified workers are not available in the United States.
  • Fourth Preference (EB-4 special workers such as those in a religious occupation or vocation): aliens who, for at least two years before applying for admission to the United States, have been a member of a religious denomination that has a non-profit religious organization in the United States, and who will be working in a religious vocation or occupation at the request of the religious organization.
  • Fifth Preference (EB-5 Employment Creation) If you would like to be granted immigrant status in the United States for the purpose of engaging in a new commercial enterprise, please see How Do I Become an Immigrant Through an
  • Investment?.

 

 

I'm suggesting that a new kind of visa may be beneficial - a temporary, no-immigration-path visa for unskilled workers. If such a thing would benefit the citizens and economy of the United States.

posted by TomW on Jan 31, 2008 at 02:44 PM

Griffon, the classification there is correct.  The whole flap over H1-B visas is not that the workers aren't available, just that they aren't available at a certain price.

I know that at one time they were used for migrant labor per a friend of mine at the INS.  They are not a path to citizenship and are for laborers.  Here's a page to put it in perspective though: http://delapena.org/info/in...

According to the U.S. Citizenship & Immigration Services (USCIS), "The H-3 nonimmigrant visa category is for aliens who are coming temporarily to the U.S. to receive training (other than graduate medical education or training). The training may be provided by a business entity, academic, or vocational institute. The H-3 nonimmigrant visa category also includes aliens who are coming temporarily to the U.S. to participate in a special education training program for children with physical, mental, or emotional disabilities. There is a limit of 50 visas per fiscal year allocated to H-3 aliens participating in special education training programs. As of November 29, 2007, one of these H-3 visas had been approved with a start date in FY 2007."

posted by gr8scott on Jan 31, 2008 at 05:55 PM

I'm not familiar with the law (in AZ), but I know that if businesses didn't hire illegal immigrants, there would be less reason for them to come here, from ANY country.

The laws are on the books, they just have to be enforced.

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