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motopoet - > MARK'S WORLD -> Forward or Back? It's up to us!
Forward or Back? It's up to us!

I can't believe how one sided, narrowminded, inflammatory and uninformed some people are. I don't know if some of these folks really believe what they are saying or if it is just blind hatred that drives their opinions, blanking out the part of their brain that harbors common sense and rationality. I mean there are actually people out there who believe the looming economic crisis is a Bush scam to draw attention from the war! Read my lips people..No matter what happens, he is gone, history, vamoosed! This crisis is no sham and those who believe it is are in for a rude awakening over the next few years.

Then there are those stuck in the past. Forever looking back and never concerning themselves with the present or the future. Buried in recriminations rather than recommendations. Never realizing that past failures are the key to future successes because instead of learning from the past they choose to remain bound up in it.

There are also those who blame the income tax loopholes and paydays of hedge fund managers for teh problems facing a credit market out of control. One guy even claimed they were getting away with only paying a 15% capital gains tax while the rest of us are stuck with 37% income tax! Um..Those guys have to pay taxes on their salaries on top of gains and my effective federal and state tax rates over the last seven years has averaged 15% and 11% respectively. This crisis was not brought about by exorbiant salaries or tax loopholes.

How about the ones dedicated to partisanship? It HAS to be the other guy because he disagrees with me! In my opinion there has never been a more bi-partisan created problem or lack of a tenable solution. Both the executive and legislative(both sides) branches stood by and watched this thing snowball and no one raised a finger to stop or even slow it down when it would have made a difference. Now they are pounding their chests and pointing across the aisle. They are voting against the bailout for all the wrong reasons. Last week it was said they had the votes, but when it came to crunch time, the swing state legislators backed down in the face of pissed off people just to get votes. They have no regard for what is really happening, they just want to keep their jobs while our jobs will be the ones on the chopping block when the dust settles. The honchos in the industry are even more liable. They KNEW this was going to happen. You know how I know that? Because I knew it was going to happen and I'm just a schmoe who works for the railroad!

I heard a guy blaming the republicans for deregulation and that is what has caused so many woes. Well, deregulation has been going on for decades and I agree with it. Regulating an industry doesn't guarantee it will be well and properly managed nor does it guarantee that special interests won't wind up pulling the strings anyway. Deregulation didn't stop oil from being called on the carpet for making money, why blame it for this? You can't have it both ways.

It's time to move forward, stop worrying about why this happened and figure out how to keep it from happening again. It's really not that complicated. Pay closer attention to who is allowed to get money. Stop pointing fingers at the past and start pointing the way to the future. If, in the course of investigations, heads roll, fine, and I don't care who's heads they are as long as they are the right heads and not just those of scapegoats to make the fingerpointers feel warm and fuzzy.

Anyway we look at this, no matter which course is taken, it is going to change the face of American finances forever. I am glad I never did the house bouncing in the market, over mortgaged my house or ran up much credit card debt. I don't spend a lot of money and I couldn't care less about keeping up with the Jones'(sorry Tom and Nancy!), so this crisis won't have a significant effect on me other than me having to pay, once again, for the irresponsibility of others.

 

 

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posted by motopoet on Friday, October 3, 2008 at 03:12 PM
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posted by witterpitters on Oct 3, 2008 at 04:26 PM

AMEN!!!!!

posted by FloridaStateGrad on Oct 3, 2008 at 04:34 PM

The financial crisis is a culmination of everything combined.  Without regulation, it became much easier for lenders to give money to people who couldn't afford it.  While one can argue that it's up to the individual to be fiscally responsible, we must look at the truth and reality of the situation and admit that humans will not always resort to proper reasoning.


I'll give you a great example - when I went to college, I couldn't go anywhere on campus without seeing a table to sign up for a credit card.  The CC companies hired college age kids to man these booths, handed them shirts and other items to give away for free - so long as they received a filled out credit card application in exchange.  There's not one of my peers who I know who hasn't signed up for a credit card on campus for the sole reason of getting the free gift.  Unfortunately, fiscal responsibility isn't the easiest to practice in a college environment, especially if one is living in the dorms without much of an income.  Looking back on this, I think this practice is predatory and unfair to our young people.  

I'm not blaming the financial sector for all my fiscal mistakes, but I do think it's a bit ridiculous that they focus much of their marketing on those who are still learning how to be responsible adults.

As I said, just an example.

posted by witterpitters on Oct 3, 2008 at 04:44 PM

FSG: I saw that a lot on the BC campus. So many of these kids are 18 and out and about for the first time. You are right, it is predatory and I didn't like it.  I tried to keep the kids I knew away from that stuff - baring that we had a "discussion" on what kind of job they had (MC Donalds), how much they actually made (minimum wage), how much book cost, tuition, gas for the car or bus fare, etc etc.  I could usually make them see that as it was there wasn't much left over, even if they lived at home, so an additional payment at a high interest rate was not a good idea!

posted by FloridaStateGrad on Oct 3, 2008 at 05:46 PM

The problem is that many young adults want to be independant and not rely on their parents, so they sign up for a credit card thinking that when they're in a pinch they can use it.  However, with many college students having virtually no experience managing money, it's quite easy for a low limit credit card ($300 or less) to hold a $500 balance or more. With all the fees, many students get swamped in debt quite quickly - even those who do their best to be fiscally responsible.


posted by Lingtaowoo on Oct 3, 2008 at 08:31 PM

Does anyone have the website of how OUR politicians voted on the pig with lipstick 'Law'...so that come election time-we may put new blood into congress/senate that LISTENS to the will of the people...


posted by motopoet on Oct 4, 2008 at 09:15 AM

I agree about the predatory practices. They sent that crap to my daughter and she wasn't even IN college! She was just 18! I wanrbed her about such things and explained the dangers of "easy money". She is almost 26 and still doesn't have a credit card. She doesn't want to become mired in high interest debt until she's at least 30!...LOL

Ling..the will of the people is a joke. If some special interest group whines about the passing of a law by the voters, some judge will simply overturn the law. Of course that isn't a judges job, but since when does it matter what the people think?..Which brings me back to the beginning of the first sentence....

posted by FloridaStateGrad on Oct 4, 2008 at 10:33 AM

moto - does your daughter have any line of credit?  If not, she might run into some major problems down the road if she wants to make a big purchase, such as a home.

posted by Neverleft on Oct 4, 2008 at 11:27 AM

You can establish a good line of credit without credit cards.  All you have to do is purchase things smaller than a home and pay your bills on time.  A credit card (one or two ) are fine for emergencies if you pay them off each month.  You build credit without having to pay the high interest most cards charge, The problem is those who live off their credit cards.  I would never even consider using a card to pay for groceries.

posted by motopoet on Oct 4, 2008 at 12:58 PM

I don't know if she does or not. I didn't get my first credit card until I was 26...A year AFTER I bought my second new car. Money may not be as easy to come by over the next decade, but I believe if you have a real income, it will still be available.

posted by FloridaStateGrad on Oct 4, 2008 at 05:54 PM

Neverleft - if you don't use a credit card, you either need to apply for and obtain a loan (such as a student loan), an auto loan, personal loan, etc., and then as you said, make your payments on time.  I used to think that having your name on utilities bills would help with credit - it doesn't, and in fact, it won't even show up on your credit report.  

moto - I'm a year younger than your daughter.. so I can tell you from my own experiences that things have changed a bit since you were our age.  Today, having some sort of credit history is better than having none.  As far as having actual credit cards - there are many things today which require a credit card number for verification of identity, such as renting a car or getting a hotel room. Just an FYI. 

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