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neighbors - > Neighbors -> Would you want a group home in your neighborhood?
Would you want a group home in your neighborhood?
We've got a story today about a neighborhood in southwest Bakersfield where a group home for troubled teens wants to expand from six to eight teens. Some of the neighborhood isn't too hot on the idea.

Back in my reporting days I remember covering a really fiesty battle over a group home for recovering addicts (drug and alcohol) in the northeast. Neighbors argued it wasn't the right setting. Recovery advocates argued that a neighborhood is exactly  the right place and that recovering addicts shouldn't be shunned to some commercial/industrial area.

I remember interviewing residents in another neighborhood where there was a recover group home and none of them cared.

What do you all think? Would you want one of these places in your neighborhood?
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posted by neighbors on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 at 11:56 AM
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posted by tchudilowsky on Jul 11, 2006 at 12:07 PM

I wouldn't want one near my home. But, I do believe they need a place to be. Why not downtown?

A nice building with Dr.s close by.

Something like that.

 

posted by robbwillis on Jul 11, 2006 at 01:54 PM
Goodbye property values.
posted by anonymous on Jul 11, 2006 at 03:28 PM
I happen to know a thing or three about this issue, so I'll pass along some "food for thought":   1) Drug and alcohol recovery is a "disability", protected by State law, and cannot be discriminated against. As such, these group homes cannot be regulated by the City/County under six people. Over six, the Planning Department(s) can only look at the issues of the increased number of people.   2) You cannot predicate land use decisions on "potential future behavior". You can't say that so-and-so "will" break the law in the future, so lock them up now; you can't say these people will cause trouble in the future so punish them now. For example: Just because you believe your neighbor will manufacture explosives in his garage in the future you can't deny him a building permit for the structure now.   3) Show me a single study saying that the sole cause of decreased property values in a neighborhood was from a "group home".   4) I'd rather have a group home next to me (where I know they're being tested regularly and have a no-tollerance policy of bad behavior) instead of the crazies that live there now. Who knows what they're on?   5) Recovering people need to be taken out of their bad environments and put into a place where they can make an honest try of their lives.   6) Warehousing them in jail hasn't worked in the past, and has only caused bigger problems later on down the road. I'd rather they pick up good social skills in my neighborhood than picking up bad ones in jail.   7) From personal experience: there was a "group home" two doors down from my place. When they were there, they helped neighbors with yardwork, were quiet as mice, and actually make the area better. They moved out, and the people who moved in have since been removed by Code Enforcement for (among other things) stockpiling trash in their driveway and yard, keeping roosters, etc., etc.
posted by robbwillis on Jul 11, 2006 at 04:36 PM
You win. I can't find any studies of group homes causing decreased property values. Maybe it's too obvious to warrant a study even though that usually doesn't impede the government grant process.   
posted by anonymous on Jul 11, 2006 at 06:23 PM
We had drug and alchol recovery homes at the end of our street when we lived in our house, they started out with houses at the end of the street that was a cul-de-sac then they added 2 more houses we had women walking up and down our street all day yelling at each other!  Then they would meet their boyfriends down the street and we would find everything from condoms to needles in the gutters!  Always nice for your children to find.  We were never notified that they were moving in.  We finally had enough and had a neighborhood meeting, we then met with the owners of this recovery home they got rid of the 2 extr houses they were renting started having the women walk down another street,  I do not think it was right that we were not told they were moving these people into these homes.  I am just glad we sold and do not have to put up with that anymore!!!
posted by meaghansmama on Jul 11, 2006 at 07:40 PM
Having worked in the Group Home industry, and personally knowing Mr. Gridiron, I wouldn't mind having a group home in the neighborhood.  Mr. Gridiron is a very professional man and I'm sure the complaints in the neighborhood are motivated more by the fact that most of the clients in the home are minorities.  Afterall, what white family wants minorites living in thier neighborhood, Right???  Some people need to pull their noses out of the clouds and accept that the world has changed.  Black people, teens or not, can live next door to a white person now!  Build a bridge and get over it!!!
posted by antiextremism on Jul 12, 2006 at 01:53 PM

Robb, perhaps actual property values don't go down on the face of it, but what will you REALLY get for your house when buyers know that there is a group home next door  full of recovering addicts. It also will definitely have an impact on how many buyers will be interested, and that will have an affect on the actual selling price as oppossed to the appraised price.

Having said that,  I entirely agree with the fact that there is a need for group homes and they are much more effective than going to Criminal College Prison. But being the selfish bastard I am....I don't want them next door to me. ; ) 

posted by antiextremism on Jul 12, 2006 at 02:02 PM

This may be apples and oranges because there is a difference between troubled teen and convicted molester, but here is a link that may show a study regarding Megans Law and housing prices.

Pehaps Mehgansmama or anonymous (is that you Nancy?) can better comment on it than I....

http://www.nber.org/digest/...

posted by anonymous on Jul 13, 2006 at 01:34 AM

One group home, how about four, technically in two different wards but the same neighborhood, but that is Bakersfield…Life as it should be!

 

The tragedy is that they keep putting these kids in neighborhoods with no facilities to rehabilitate them; even public recreational faculties like the new Sports complex in the Southwest are planned for areas with few kids or kids that already enjoy all the advantages, something that City manager Alan Tandy loves to do.

 

However, it is the local residents fault that these areas pay for facilities in other areas that they themselves or their kids will never use as the keep electing Council person who fill space at Council meeting but produce nothing for the constituents. It got so bad at the last election that the Californian actually brought in their carpet bagging candidate through their connection to the Abernathy / McCarthy back door and sold him to Ward seven, and worse yet, the Ward voters bought it.

 

Between Carson and Carson associates in personal interest group homes, and Scrivners love affair with pushing the Abernathy agenda and helping Jacquie Sullivan save the world through Christ, the poor District one and seven voters get mega group homes and salvation but very little else.

 

All this is understandable, after David Couch and Sue Benham and Mike Maggard get their bite of the apple, there is nothing left, after all it is Tandy’s apple and he can share it with whom he pleases.

 

 

posted by NancyII on Jul 13, 2006 at 09:29 AM

Anti..nope..I'm not Mehgansmama or Anon.  I've never posted under any other name except when I used my last name along with Nancy.  I have to agree with you that these homes need to exist and that it's really hard to accept on in your neighborhood.  The phobia extends beyond troubled teens and into the developmentally disabled group home.  There's one of those two doors down from me and there's never a problem with the residents..only with some of the workers.  Visitors with blasting stereos and stuff like that.  When the guy 3 doors down bought his house the group home wasn't disclosed (it was not required) and he was furious when he found out.  He tried to sue the association and the realtor and was threatened with a countersuit for discrimination.

 

Regardless of how understanding and thoughtful we may be, I think we pretty much all have the NIMBY syndrome.
posted by whitwood78 on Jul 15, 2006 at 09:02 PM
I personally do have one of these homes next door to me, in the Southwest, though not the one from the article. Yes, there is a need for these homes, BUT I am very uncomfortable with having one next door to me. This one is for girls, and you might think that's better than boys, but they are loud, use bad language and are not a help to any of the neighbors. They've actually been the opposite of help...one swept all their leaves into our yard one day. When I asked her to clean them up, she yelled and screamed at me. I have two small children and don't appreciate having them exposed to that kind of language and behavior when we are in our driveway or front porch.
posted by NancyII on Jul 16, 2006 at 01:48 AM
Find out who owns the property and contact them directly.  The owners of these facilities don't want trouble that might get them shut down since they are cash cows for them.    If enough neighbors complain you might get some relief from it.  Sad to say the neighbors two doors down on the other side of me are far worse than any group home could be.
posted by anonymous on Jul 20, 2006 at 12:41 PM

how long of a comment can i leave? We have multiple group/foster homes in our neighborhood of every sort and it is a big problem. Where do i start. The foster homes on one street have regular foster children who are out of control. They wonder the neighborhood harassing anyone who askes them to behave. They egg peoples houses, TP them, beat up the neighborhood children, throw rocks at neighborhood children,steel things from peoples yards/garages, dent cars,  use every cuss word in the book, as do the foster parents, flip everyone off, the parents NEVER supervise them,  throw diapers with feces in them,rocks, trash, into peoples pools.licensing says that as long as they are being fed and clothed they really don't care about how the parents and children behave, the neighbors are afraid to complain becasue when you do the harassment gets worse and more frequent. If you talk to the parents, they cuss you out and call you a liar.  We are basically hostiages in our neighborhood. The school has horrible problems with them also. Then there is the probation home full of boys, they are raided regularly by the police hauling away the boys and they are scarey looking. the employees are just as scarey looking and blast that horrible rap crap with the filthy language in it as they drive these boys down the street. Real good rehab right? No it is just a cash cow, they could care less how these kids behave. And then there are the disabled homes. One of them let one of the higher functioning folks out by herself and she started a fire in the park. The police had a horrible time arresting her. And the home didn't even come looking for this girl for over 3 hours!! They watch them well don't they. Then there is the mens halfway house. They wonder the streets and they are pretty scarey looking too. I don't let my children out of the house without a parent with them. My children cannot ride their bikes or play in our front yard without being harassed on a daily basis by the foster children the bio kids of the foster parents. We have about 20 homes in our neighborhood and yes it is ruining our property values because the decent folks are moving out and what is replacing them is not too good because no one decent will buy here now thus running down our values.  this used to be a very nice neighborhood

And Nancy, licensing will not do anything because they cannot get enough homes for these people/children. I have been told this by the local agencies and the state agency. They don't care what it is doing to our neighborhoods. Decent folks will not invite this chaos into their homes leaving these people/children to go to families that are just as bad or worse than where ever they were removed from. I think a large institution where they can get intensive counciling is the answer, not terrorizing our neighborhoods.

posted by anonymous on Jul 20, 2006 at 01:03 PM
i forgot, they break windows too
posted by anonymous on Aug 23, 2006 at 02:57 PM
Geez!  Troubled teens attempting to clean up their lives and potential neighbors saying, "We don't want them here."
What does THAT say to the troubled teen?  What do you think it would do to their already damaged esteems?
I'm sure they're well supervised.
"Know your fact from fable, LOOK before you label."
posted by anonymous on Sep 1, 2006 at 06:42 PM
if they are really trying to clean up their lives why are they continuously getting into trouble and some even getting arrested. I can't tell you how many times the police and probation officers raid the probation home and haul them away in handcuffs. Why do my family and I have to live in these conditions? If we wanted to live under these circumstances we would move to a bad part of town!!! The homes nearby to my home are horrible and no they do not supervise them well. There is not enough room on this blog to list what they do to our neighborhood.
They need to put these children in facilities where there is college educated staff, not with people that can't even raise their own children properly, and daily intense therapy sessions, that is their only hope to improve their future.  Otherwise we are just turning out the next crop of criminals.
posted by kbiteme1 on Sep 6, 2006 at 04:32 PM
who can a resident contact to petition  against this group home opening next to my home? please email any  contact info  available PLEASE.
posted by anonymous on Sep 7, 2006 at 08:26 PM
no one-they are protected by federal laws-only thing you can do is hope they are a good home or move.
posted by seaweed73 on Sep 9, 2006 at 09:31 AM

I do see a need for them ,but as a mother of small children I wouldn't want them in my neirbhood.  
I went to high school with a girl who lived in a group home for troubled teens and she spent most her time in the office then in classes.  alot of these kids girls or boys need tp spend a couple of days out at lerdo and see what the furture holds for them if they don't straighten up.  I believe that with the righ amount of disapline,affection and motavation they can be productive members of society.  

posted by taftrose on Sep 18, 2006 at 11:00 PM

working with Troubled Teens is a Hard thing and to really truly Help them they need a very strict enverminet  
if they are in the Right environment and Geting the Right  Treatment the teens Can and do Charge for the better
How do i know? My daughter is in a place getting The proper help But sadly she had to go out of Calif to get that help
because to many of the Places here In Calif do not offer what the kids need or they Give up on them .
the place were My daughter Is Not a group home  Rather a Treatment  Center but all of the neighbors  have no problems with the place . and The Community embraces these teens and when the teens get to a stage in there treatment  they are employed buy the Towns business .

 To seaweed NO spending time IN Lerdo Or Juvenal hall is not the answer that only teaches them  More Bad things and not how to  be a constructive  part of the Community  .

here is a link to the place were My daughter is at she has been there for 10 months and is not the Same child that entered she she is getting her education and is working  a part time Job .learning how to be a predictive  citizen
http://www.cinnamonhills.co...

posted by culvermoon on Oct 9, 2006 at 09:45 AM
Let's see.......let's make a little island at Lake Isabella and house them all there ok?  I am not serious.....these people are trying to change their lives and the greedy self righteous people that say "on no not in my neighborhood" does not help these people recover.  Isolating them from the public makes feel like freaks.....this is a disease not anything else but. 
YES, they could move next door to me if they wanted, and for all you angels with the halos on your head.......take them off your head put them on your toilet and use them as a toilet seat.......I pray for your hearts.
posted by emosesian on Dec 12, 2006 at 01:41 PM
IT CAN'T BE ANY WORSE THAN THE HEATHENS THAT RUN AMUCK IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD NOW. I LIVE ACROSS THE ST FROM SILVERCREEK AND HAVE HAD THINGS STOLEN FROM MY PORCH AND YARD 5 TIMES IN THE LAST 3 MOS. MOST RECENTLY MY 4YR OLD'S CANDYCANE DECORATIONS! AT LEAST IN GROUP HOMES THERE ARE PEOPLE THERE TO MONITOR THESE KIDS AND ATTEMPT TO TEACH THEM SOME TYPE OF MORAL CODE, I CAN'T SAY THAT ABOUT PEOPLE IN GENERAL
posted by sfinboston7 on Jan 4, 2007 at 01:16 PM
I wouldnt want one near my home either, just as I would not want a half way house near my home or a church (the noise).
posted by cestmoiperidot on Jan 25, 2007 at 10:18 AM
Such places are needed for youth undergoing drug rehabilitation, but almost everyone will want them far away from their homes.
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