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Is wiretapping by Bakersfield and federal agencies out of control? - By N.L. Belardes

As broad of an issue that surveillance has become in America you might think wiretapping by local government and federal agencies is out of control. Last I heard, wiretapping had gone warrantless on the Federal level. It was in appeals in late 2006 anyway. Locally, regarding the Vincent Brothers case I’ve heard talk of wiretapping having gone on at the Harper residence long before the murders took place. If such wiretapping occurred, then why? Some say it was harassment. But we know how rumors regarding murders can spread.

I’ve written to a blogger who swore his house phones were tapped on occasion. Why?

Who is to say? Surveillance issues have taken America into heated debate. The cry of Homeland Security has rung through our ears, the last shouts through the clatter of fallen towers—other than screaming machinery of war.

With surveillance comes issues of privacy and individual rights. What rights do we really have if Federal and State governments believe they have just cause to peer into our lives at every turn?

You’re driving down a street near the rare occurrence of an American bombing and your best friend riding with you has Arabic features. Your friend isn’t even Arabic. He’s Mexican. Doesn’t matter. The police only see exigent circumstances. Your car and persons are searched without any kind of warrant. Your friend is carted off to prison.

It doesn’t stop there. What about phone tapping? In the name of Homeland Security is it possible all our phones can be tapped anytime the government wants? And how easy would it be for government officials to abuse such power and, falsify stacks of documentation required to tap into private American conversations? Oh wait, it’s warrantless, unless the appeals killed it. Someone please tell me…

Corruption and scandal?

Could it happen in Kern County?

Especially in Bakersfield, the land of forced interrogations and mostly overturned child molestation trials. Don’t you watch 48 Hours? Have you seen Nightline? Do you read the Rolling Stone? Or this site? Are you not aware of the Lords of Bakersfield stories? (read more) Why Bakersfield consistently whines about our DA and then hands him 90% of votes each election is strange, as not even national news, an article in the Rolling Stone, the Bakersfield Californian Lords stories, and a book on Mean Justice can sway popular opinion within Kern County. 90%! And that’s give or take a few percentage points.

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posted by anonymous on Jan 24, 2007 at 05:21 PM
So you heard the Harper's residential phones were tapped BEFORE the murders took place? Wow, where did you hear that? FYI, I heard the Loch Ness monster and Bigfoot are alive and well, and that the tooth fairy really exists!!!! You know slick, a lot of meth tweakers think their phones are tapped, which is why they don't talk on the phone. And as an extra precaution, they line their windows with tinfoil. Maybe you should do a google search on wiretapping and learn exactly what the law is, not what you "heard!"
posted by novelboy on Jan 24, 2007 at 05:46 PM

It's just a discussion of a rumor. This blog isn't a court of law. What are you so worried about?

posted by anonymous on Jan 24, 2007 at 08:56 PM
I'm not worried about anything Slick. I just take offense to the uninformed here who write like they know the facts. And rumors are just that. You can keep your rumors; I'll stick with the facts.
posted by novelboy on Jan 25, 2007 at 09:38 AM
I posted many facts in the article--and I see nothing wrong with discussing what I heard talked about on the streets and in a coffee shop. Blogging is just a conversation anyways. Even the LA Times recently announced to break stories on the web and expand in print later. That means they want to spark discussion without all the facts. I think that's cool. Discussion can get answers and bring out more facts and helpful dialogue. You have such a strong opinion and are concerned with facts, but you discredit yourself by posting anonymously. I say stand up for yourself!

By the way, I did do a google search on wiretapping. I followed what happened up to August of last year in my search for whether wiretapping could be warrantless or not. You would help the conversation more by explaining wiretapping for other people to read and learn from. Since you're the expert and all.
posted by anonymous on Jan 25, 2007 at 11:24 AM
Hey Slick, read the other blog titled "tapping phones of local couple." Maybe that will help.
posted by novelboy on Jan 25, 2007 at 11:45 AM
Cool, thanks. Read it. Still sucks to be the recipient of such letters. You're right, not everything is a conspiracy.

But the reality is just as scary: people feel invaded when they get such vague notification. And if you're on the side of the law/DA, then it makes sense why you're so condescending to people speaking out and questioning laws/procedures. You don't want bad press if you're just doing your job.

Yet if people never questioned laws/procedures then America would still be under British rule...

Why even worry about people questioning rules, laws and procedures? Doesn't change how votes are cast...
posted by anonymous on Jan 25, 2007 at 09:01 PM
Novelboy, even though I AM on the side of the law, which is not always perfect, I accept that eveyone has a right to their own opinion. If I come off as being condescending, oh well. I think my major pet peeve is I can't tolerant STUPID people. And there are lot of stupid ones out there!!!!
posted by anonymous on Jan 26, 2007 at 05:27 PM
I read both of you comments and i have to side with the one going for the law. Who would you call if someon breaks into your house??  the law yet here you are questioning it. If you would like to know the laws regard wiretapping try reading teh Patriot Act. As a stundent of the Criminal Justice system i have read and understand each and every law. You need to take a good long look at this before you go off on a tangent about something you have no clue about. And for the record rumors often get people all worked up over nothing. Rumors tend to get expanded and often hold no truth.
posted by novelboy on Jan 26, 2007 at 06:23 PM

Calling people stupid or slick doesn't win an argument. Just makes you look defensive. And posting such comments anonymously makes you look defensive from under a rock.

Sure, I would call the police and have before when encountering problems. But that's what they're there for. :)



posted by Goat on Jan 27, 2007 at 11:45 AM

>>>Who would you call if someon breaks into your house??  the law yet here you are questioning it.

--->You imply that if we are going to rely on the system for the services it's supposed to provide us, then we have no room to question the system when we see it turning in the wrong direction.

I totally disagree with that implication.  It's our duty to be critical of the system, and to keep it in check went begins to go in the wrong direction.

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