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Poll: McCain and Obama tied in valley
John McCain and Barack Obama are neck-and-neck in the Central Valley, though many are undecided or like someone else, according to Field Poll results out Wednesday.
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posted by
johnburnssucks
on Jul 16, 2008 at 11:06 AM
McCain and Obama are in a tie, period. Dan Abrams of MSNBC said Monday night that, "The media's love affair with Barack Obama wasn't having the desired effect, since polls show the two candidates being in a virtual tie." posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jul 16, 2008 at 11:29 AM
That may be true, but the media giving McCain an easy time and mostly favorable treatment is keeping him in the race. Keep in mind it is in their best interest for this to be close. Better for ratings.
Looking at this poll, It makes me think that McCain is in trouble. The central valley is usually more conservative than how the whole state votes. If it's close to a tie here, he's screwed. posted by
nooneisabovethelaw
on Jul 16, 2008 at 11:30 AM
A "media love affair" with Obama? Puh-leeze. posted by
sagefever
on Jul 16, 2008 at 11:35 AM
posted by
johnburnssucks
on Jul 16, 2008 at 12:02 PM
Four of the seven polls have Obama ahead by three points. Since most polls have a plus/minus factor of either three or four points, we have what is known as a "virtual tie." Heck, the first convention is over a month away. This is akin to being in the second quarter of a football game, with the conventions being halftime. http://pajamasmedia.com/ric...
posted by
timec
on Jul 16, 2008 at 12:38 PM
I can't wait to see a black man become Commander in Chief of this nation......When it happens I will be proud to call myself an American......
posted by
OldBlue56
on Jul 16, 2008 at 01:09 PM
posted by
BakersfieldSuperman
on Jul 16, 2008 at 01:10 PM
Good one timec once again your wisdom is earth moving, you think picking a president because of his skin color makes him a good commander and chief and makes America great. I disagree with you to say the least posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jul 16, 2008 at 01:10 PM
I'm wondering when BakersfieldSuperman is going to post about McCain's questionable fundraising. He's funneling HUGE donations through the RNC with some of them being over $25,000 using some of the loopholes he wrote into his campaign finance law. Of his recent donations, 46.3 million of it has come from a total of 1,803 individuals. The average is over $25,000.
Someone please try to tell me McCain isn't the biggest hypocrite in Washington. Obama knew he was going to pull this, which is why he didn't go with public financing. Why wouldn't he do the same? Because he's actually trying to run an honest campaign. McCain is going after PACs, lobbyists and the wealthiest of Americans because they can afford to give up to $70,000 and not even worry about it. By the way, that's about 30 times more than the maximum Obama can raise "legally."
I wonder when the MSM is going to cover this. (hint...they won't but I'm not really sure why) posted by
BakersfieldSuperman
on Jul 16, 2008 at 01:29 PM
pp, give me a break an honest campiagn lol, he's running a campiagn I'll give him that, tell me how raising money us questionable? loop holes? give me a break, People donate to him and also the Party. HOw is that a loop hole, Dems can do the same thing. Your problem with it has nothing to do with anything other than you hate knowing that McCain is only like two million behind Obama in fundraising. posted by
nooneisabovethelaw
on Jul 16, 2008 at 01:36 PM
Wrong yet again, BS. Or maybe you're mathematically challenged too. posted by
BakersfieldSuperman
on Jul 16, 2008 at 01:59 PM
Oh so sorry , its a couple more. I wonder if these total takes in account all the wasted money Barack is spending on his false adds? Like the I'm Mr. Welfare reform Obama, or his latest I'm Mr. Foreign Affairs Obama. lol posted by
nooneisabovethelaw
on Jul 16, 2008 at 02:23 PM
"A couple more." Like $170 million, more. And, BS, as the old saying goes, "Fifty cents of every dollar spent on advertising is wasted. The tough part if figuring out which half." You know, the way you respond to facts, I sure hope you never serve on a jury. posted by
HusbandMaterial
on Jul 16, 2008 at 02:38 PM
I had the same impression as ProgressivePete. The central valley is waaaaay conservative and if Obama and McCain are tied THERE, it's in Obama's favor. Maybe voters are like me, maybe not. But if I decide in the second quarter (I did), the game might as well be over. The outcome for me is going to be the same when the final buzzer sounds. People tend to wade into the fray until they make up their mind, then they check out because they can't stand the weeping and gnashing of teeth that goes on, actually, between the media. The media turns stomachs. People look at their wallets or the house the want to sell and they know if their wallet is empty and if their house is going to sit on the market for another six months. They want the economic fixed so they can drive their kids to soccer tournaments without having to rob a bank. So, that's what's going on in the valley. Wallets are empty. It's the Republican watch. The last time a Democrat took the watch the market soared, we weren't dumping billions into war; billions that are now also going to saving the home mortgage industry from dragging ALL of us into total economic collapse. Follow the empty wallets. They're not abandoning the GOP. They're sick of being told to stop running their air conditioners in this miserable heat; virtually the only luxury people can afford and probably the last thing they're willing to let go of. posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jul 16, 2008 at 02:43 PM
BS, tell me how raising money us(is) questionable? loop holes? give me a break, People donate to him and also the Party. Raising money is perfectly acceptable...unless you take public financing and accept the rules that go along with that.
At this point, you shouldn't have too much trouble admitting that McCain is being a hypocrite for claiming to take public financing and then turning around and doing the EXACT OPPOSITE. Getting massive donations from corporations, PACs and lobbyists is NOT public financing. Maybe you are unclear what that actually means, but what can you say to defend these actions?
SPAMCODE = ifunl ( I funnel) seriously! posted by
nooneisabovethelaw
on Jul 16, 2008 at 03:10 PM
This is from the questionaire: Question I-B: If you are nominated for President in 2008 and your major opponents agree to forgo private funding in the general election campaign, will you participate in the presidential public financing system? Yes Comments (please limit to 250 words or less): If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election.I have been a long-time advocate for public financing of campaigns combined with free television and radio time as a way to reduce the influence of moneyed special interests. I introduced public financing legislation in the Illinois State Senate, and am the only 2008 candidate to have sponsored Senator Russ Feingold’s (D-WI) bill to reform the presidential public financing system. In February 2007, I proposed a novel way to preserve the strength of the public financing system in the 2008 election. My plan requires both major party candidates to agree on a fundraising truce, return excess money from donors, and stay within the public financing system for the general election. My proposal followed announcements by some presidential candidates that they would forgo public financing so they could raise unlimited funds in the general election. The Federal Election Commission ruled the proposal legal, and Senator John McCain (R-AZ) has already pledged to accept this fundraising pledge. posted by
BakersfieldSuperman
on Jul 16, 2008 at 03:42 PM
No One I think you are looking at the wrong numbers, once again your ability to distort te facts are amazing. Using your own link check out "cash on hand"..I'll type it out for you its 43 million to 36 about. Go ahead re look at it. its your link you can figure it out. I mean you would think that those are the fundraising numbers right? So don't get all high and mighty with me little guy, those are the number off your own link.... When I say McCAin is not that far behind its pretty hard for you to accept isn't it? THen when you factor in the Parties who are going to help, Im pretty sure Republicans will have more than enough. So when I said McCain is close behind in fundraising I was accurate, I was not lying was I Noone? Who was llying? C'mon No one you make it sound like Obama has 170 plus million over McCain and yes he did raise alot of money, but he's only got 43 to show for it. And no matter how much he raises he wont be able to buy this election, McCain keeping his promise to accept public financing is going to have enough money to stop your side from smearing him, as well as keep him from being victim to speacial interests that have their employee's all donate like obama donations. Hmm as a McCain supporter, seeing him keep his word and really just owe the taxpayer, i see a win win. As an Obama supporter and see him lie and flip[ flop on this and every other issue you can t feel good. Anyways PP, I don't think you actually understand the public finance system not does anyo0ne else besides your pals on the left, go figure? Its alright that's the way Liberals want you, its easier to get you emotionally attached to their idea of the truth when you have no concept of it on your own. Why don't you read up on the subject pp and get back to me.
posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jul 16, 2008 at 03:59 PM
Me, emotionally attached to campaign financing rules? Dude, I'm not that dull of a person to spend my time being an expert on the subject. What I do know is that McCain has made a huge issue out of campaign finance reform, and most likely intentionally wrote loopholes in the law he penned, knowing he could exploit the system and how to do it. It's incredibly dishonest. To me, this is similar to people and corporations that hide their money overseas so they can cheat the tax system. If you're OK with your candidate cheating, then just admit that you're OK with it. While you're at it, admit that he isn't sticking to the spirit of public financing.
If you think getting $70,000 donations won't make him owe favors to special interests, then you're delusional. If you think getting donations of that size is keeping his promise, there's nothing you won't say to defend the man. Exactly who is the starry eyed one here? posted by
nooneisabovethelaw
on Jul 16, 2008 at 04:21 PM
BS, I never said you were lying. I said you were wrong. Perhaps you were lying. That's your term, not mine. Your original post said McCain is only two million behind in fundraising. Now you're referencing "cash on hand". Let's see, cash on hand is what's left after you've paid your bills from the campaign to date. It's not fundraising. Surely even you can grasp that. Perhaps not. Your use and grasp of language is imprecise, at best, or you've got a comprehension problem. And you, of all people, have a lot of nerve in accusing anybody of distorting the facts. "So when I said McCain is close behind in fundraising I was accurate, I was not lying was I Noone?" Lying, no. Wrong, yes. You flip-flopper, you. "McCain keeping his promise to accept public financing "...you neglect to note McCain agreed to accept public financing and is now stuck with it. He cannot opt out of it now, other than to break the law. That has as much to do with his steadfastness as anything. McCain's campaign actually tried to get out of the decision to take public financing and now cannot. After some point in August, he cannot raise nor spend non-public money. I note your side rather downplays the fact that McCain agreed to accept public financing when his campaign was in big financial difficulty, and now he's stuck with his decision. Good move, there, Johnny boy. If somehow he's elected, that's the way it's going to be. We're going to be stuck with him. Sort of like how we're stuck with you and your postings.
posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jul 16, 2008 at 04:57 PM
His way around spending non-public money is to have the RNC or 527s spend their money instead. Sooner or later he will be caught coordinating with them, but I don't know what the penalties are for that. I guess it's a smart way to cheat the system if that's what you're in to. posted by
FloridaStateGrad
on Jul 16, 2008 at 06:12 PM
You know, picking between McCain or Obama is like trying to choose if you'd rather be shot or thrown out of a 20 storey building. posted by
montfred
on Jul 16, 2008 at 07:22 PM
Not being a financial wiz, I don't know what our econmy is going to look like come November, but I think once the cost of fuel starts showing up more in everything we buy, and the the bank's start to declare the real bottom line of their bottom line, it's not going to get any better. We can choose to continue doing the Mcsame thing, or take a gamble on the Obama administration. posted by
timec
on Jul 17, 2008 at 09:18 AM
OB I am an Afro-American......and I am not proud of this country.
BS I am not voting for Barack because he is black. I actually voted for Hillary.......because I thought she had more experience than Barack.....but her campaign went to hell and now I am supporting Barack. I don't know much about politics but I do know that I am not voting for Mc Cain. He has a nasty temper, he supports the 100 year war, and he is confused. Just my opinion..
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