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Southland trustee turns to PennySaver to pitch 'In God We Trust'
What a great story from ocregister.com: When more than 19,000 Fountain Valley residents picked up their PennySaver last week, they got more than just the usual apartment and job listings. They got an advertisement on the back page in which Ocean View School District Trustee John Briscoe urged them to tell the Fountain Valley School District to display the national motto, "In God We Trust,'' in the district board room. In the advertisement released to the entire city, Briscoe chides the district for not pursuing the motto, calling it "dangerous and distracting", not honoring Flag Day, not honoring Veterans Day, not singing the American patriotic song and being generally unpatriotic. Read the whole story here. Apparently the school board and Briscoe have disagreed before. According to Briscoe, he purchased the $500 ad with his own money in response to the district's unanimous June 12 decision not to pursue a display of "In God We Trust" in the board room. During the meeting, trustees had also refused to join him when he asked them to sing two verses of "My Country, 'Tis of Thee."
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posted by
FloridaStateGrad
on Jul 18, 2008 at 08:30 AM
The motto "In God We Trust" has always been more politically motivated than anything. The phrase first came into use during the U.S. Civil War, when a number of religious activists pressed the U.S. mint to put some reference to God on our coinage. It so happens that Congress passed the Coinage Act in 1864, which also happened to be an election year. Even with this new Act, coins didn't permanently have the motto engraved until 1906. For example, Teddy Roosevelt believed that putting reference to God on money was sacrelige. "In God We Trust" became the U.S. motto almost 100 years later during the McCarthey era, as a way to differentiate us from the Russians, whose communist leadership was known to be anti-religion. Prior to that time, and not to include to Civil War coinage, every U.S. President had respected the separation of church and state.
I think if more people knew the History of the motto, they might have a different opinion of it. posted by
GrizzlyCoach
on Jul 18, 2008 at 08:36 AM
posted by
witbee
on Jul 18, 2008 at 08:39 AM
posted by
GrizzlyCoach
on Jul 18, 2008 at 08:45 AM
I like the motto, but what I don't like is when people use it to further their careers or get some extra votes. posted by
Rickldo
on Jul 18, 2008 at 08:45 AM
Nope, my opinion hasn't changed either. I still think it should be on every coin and bill printed and minted. The Ten Commandments should also be in EVERY courthouse in the nation. posted by
FloridaStateGrad
on Jul 18, 2008 at 08:56 AM
posted by
TSM
on Jul 18, 2008 at 09:01 AM
This country was formed on the principles of freedom, not Christianity. If they were serious about the freedom of religion stuff, the Christians wouldn't have a problem with other religion's messages posted as well. But yet they do.
posted by
FloridaStateGrad
on Jul 18, 2008 at 09:02 AM
posted by
TSM
on Jul 18, 2008 at 09:19 AM
Benjamin Franklin specifically stated this country was not founded on Christian principles. Most of the founding fathers have made similar statements.
posted by
johnburnssucks
on Jul 18, 2008 at 09:25 AM
If this Briscoe character wants to flush 500 bucks down the toilet (the Pennysaver; I mean really), who are we to stop him? Bwaaahaha. It's certainly worthy of a chuckle or two. posted by
FloridaStateGrad
on Jul 18, 2008 at 09:26 AM
TSM, we should probably clarify that even though this country wasn't formed upon Christian values, most founding fathers did believe in a Supreme Being and recognized that no country could stand for very long without some sense of morality. However, their definitions of morality and many people's current definition are far different. posted by
Rickldo
on Jul 18, 2008 at 09:39 AM
I'm well aware that over 95% of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were church goers. Well aware that Franklin, Jefferson, et al were merely giving us a start. Our DOI, the Constitution are all meant to be a living thing, that it was to grow as we as a nation grew. Not foaming at the mouth here, just stating my opinion, as succinctly as possible. posted by
johnburnssucks
on Jul 18, 2008 at 09:45 AM
Many people (myself included) believe that the Constitution is a living document, although our buddy Antonin Scalia isn't one of them. Neither was Rehnquist. posted by
FloridaStateGrad
on Jul 18, 2008 at 09:48 AM
While I also agree that the Constitution is a living document, it should also be noted that it's rare that any decision is made in this country by a true majority of the citizens. This is unfortunate. posted by
witbee
on Jul 18, 2008 at 09:50 AM
foaming at the mouth Very nice. You were saying something about hateful speech?
that even though this country wasn't formed upon Christian values, You went to college? This country was absolutely formed on Christian values.Not to the letter, but certainly the scaffolding.
posted by
johnburnssucks
on Jul 18, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Witbee, that scaffolding was Judeo-Christian ethics. George Washington was not a Christian, Parson Mason Weems' myths notwithstanding. posted by
FloridaStateGrad
on Jul 18, 2008 at 10:01 AM
witbee - I wouldn't call "foaming at the mouth" hateful speech, I was actually using it in jest. I do see where it is offensive though, apologize, and so I'll change it because you're right.
As it pertains to the Federal Government itself, this nation was not formed on Christian values, but instead on the principles of liberty and freedom. There was recognition of a higher being among many of the founding fathers, but to call them all Christians would be incorrect. Some were Deists, others Unitarians, as an example. A better assessment would be that our country was formed on basic principles of ethics and values, but these ethics and values are seen not just in Christianity, but in many religions. posted by
johnburnssucks
on Jul 18, 2008 at 10:07 AM
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion..." From Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli 1797. Unanimously ratified by the U.S. Senate and signed by President John Adams. posted by
ChicaEsquela
on Jul 18, 2008 at 10:10 AM
"You went to college? This country was absolutely formed on Christian values.Not to the letter, but certainly the scaffolding. " Boy, I'm glad my kids don't go to school in Delano. No wonder that school district is lagging behind. posted by
FloridaStateGrad
on Jul 18, 2008 at 10:11 AM
posted by
ChicaEsquela
on Jul 18, 2008 at 10:12 AM
"From Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli 1797. Unanimously ratified by the U.S. Senate and signed by President John Adams." Not to mention Jefferson's "Wall of Separation" Letter. posted by
TSM
on Jul 18, 2008 at 10:34 AM
most founding fathers did believe in a Supreme Being and recognized that no country could stand for very long without some sense of morality They said the country was founded on enlightenment, not Christian principles. their definitions of morality and many people's current definition are far different. That is ever so evident just based on the church's pedophile scandal. Not to mention the number of religious conservatives who have been arrested for sex related crimes.
posted by
FloridaStateGrad
on Jul 18, 2008 at 10:38 AM
Unfortunately, most American's historical knowledge is comprised of many deceptions thanks to the limited knowledge, common errors and sometimes outright lies which textbook authors publish in the attempt to push a hidden political agenda. posted by
TSM
on Jul 18, 2008 at 10:43 AM
You also have to consider that just under 25% of Kern County residents fail to graduate from high school to be a factor as well. At least locally.
posted by
oenophile
on Jul 18, 2008 at 10:48 AM
In God we Trust- these kids to drop out. posted by
johnburnssucks
on Jul 18, 2008 at 10:52 AM
75% of Kern County residents are HS grads? In Porterville, with its "church on every corner" boast, just 33% of residents are HS grads. The way they see it, if you "have Jesus," you don't need anything else. Including teeth. posted by
Maggiepoo
on Jul 18, 2008 at 11:22 AM
posted by
Shwaine
on Jul 18, 2008 at 01:59 PM
It would be nice to go back to the old motto E Pluribus Unum (From Many, One). That better represented the principles behind the founding of this nation: from many states/beliefs/walks of life/countries comes one country united under concepts of liberty and freedom. It would get God out of the motto, which was created in of an atmosphere of fear and paranoia during the red scare, and remind people that this nation is a melting pot, not a Christian theocracy.
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