I say bring it on! The petition gatherers shouldn't have much of a problem finding signatures. Just go to wherever the gay mafias are harassing church-goers. Or to the mob that terrorized a little old lady while she was being interviewed by a TV reporter in Palm Springs, prompting her to remark ""As you can see right now, we are being a little attacked here." For the full story: http://www.lifesitenews.com...

Need further proof of such rampant hatred, intolerance and bigotry? Take yer pick:

http://www.rightmichigan.co...

http://www.lansingstatejour...

http://www.onenewsnow.com/P...

Martin Luther King Jr. must be rolling in his grave.

yes i agree bring it on.  The rally was for No on Prop 8 they were afirming their 1st amendment rights to protest.  If she wanted to protest she should have done it in a different area not amongst them.  what right did she or the reporter have to interrupt their rally to make their opioions know.  if you want those opinions know hold your own rally.  as the saying goes you have your opinion, i have my oinion and you do not have the right to force your opinion on me, or to interrupt when i am stating my opinion.  personally i am sick and tired of the churches forcing their beliefs down my throat.  this is a civil rights matter not a church matter.  you do not have to marry gays, you do not have to invite them into your church.  mom used to say clean up your own backyard before you try and clean someone elses.  that said my friends and i will always stand behind No on Prop 8 and it seems like other states agree with us.

This was the second time that Ms. Burgess tried to create an incident.  She appeared with her cross at a rally just prior to the election and was ignored.  This time, according to the Desert Sun, the Palm Springs paper, "The event drew more than 500 protesters and quickly got out of hand when an elderly woman marched a Styrofoam cross into the crowd. Demonstrators grabbed the cross from Phyllis Bergess and stomped it."  According to observers, she was pushing and shoving her way through the crowd, trying to get to the speakers area, and shouting at the people in her way.  She clearly was intending to incite an incident.

However, as I stated before incitement does not excuse bad behavior.  The enemies of marriage equality will use any tactic, including provocation and incitement, in order to obtain an improper response that can be used for propaganda purposes. We must remember to keep our heads, no matter what the provocation.

For those who were at the street corner rallies, remember what Whitney said.  When they yell obscenities at you from passing cars, wave, smile and say, "God Bless You."  That is the way to handle things. 

When I was a kid and I didn't get my way, I'd lay on the ground and throw a fit.  Screaming, crying, waving my hands and kicking my feet...kind of like what these protestors are doing here.

Face the facts - gay "marriage" lost!  Prop 8 passed!  Now quit your whining and get over it!  Being a sore loser and demanding people accept your point-of-view isn't going to win the gay cause any friends, nor will attempting to subvert the election process.  All you are doing here is driving away those who support the less radical among us, and driving away gay conservatives such as myself.  What's the phrase we Gay GOP'ers use..."we are everywhere!"...?

Now quit your whining and get over it!
 

The same could have been said to everyone who was whining about the Supreme Court's decision to overturn the ban.

This is a proposition that should have never been on a ballot to begin with, for the same reasons that integration and women's voting rights were never put to a vote.

USE YOUR NOGGIN!

*Gay marriage does not force anyone to be gay.  Either you are or you arent.  It is not a choice...duh!

*Marriage (straight or gay) is not  taught in schools.

*Churches can still refuse to marry ANYONE.

*My marriage will in no way effect your marriage.

*Domestic Partnerships and marriage are not the same.

*Fundamental rights should never be voted on. 

*The will of the people is not always of best interest.

*Proposition 8 violates our state's Equal Protection Clause.

*Christians need to simply follow their own rules instead of trying to legislate them on everyone else.

I could go on and on, but some of you will get the point. It doesn't take a genuis to figure these things out.

Eric, you are certainly aware that no political decision is forever.  The California Constitution is clear, any proposition passed in one general election can be repealed at any subsequent election.  In two years there will be 600,000 new voters in California who didn't have a chance to vote this time around because they were under 18 last Tuesday.  In four years there will be over a million new voters who have never had a chance to vote on the issue.  Who are you to say that they shouldn't be able to make their own decision on the matter in accordance with California law.

We are not whining. We are gathering our strength for the next go around.  There is a world of difference.  The shift in public opinion towards marriage equality appears to be about 1% per year.  A try in 2 years may be a real squeeker, in 4 years, the odds are on our side.

As for gay GOP'ers, I feel sorry for anyone whose poster boys are Mark Foley and Larry "Wide Stance" Craig. 

Before the election, polls showed No on Prop. 8 leading. Bradley effect? Mormon church? Black people?

The polls see-sawed back and forth, mostly within the margin of error as far as I can see.  "Yes on 8" ran a better campaign, with effective (even if untruthful) ads.  "No on 8" had no effective ground plan, ads were heavy on style but light on substance.  Gay community was too complascent.  Gavin Newsom was a stone around our neck.  We'll do better next time.

Leonard Pitts op-ed piece  http://www.miamiherald.com/...

I'll sign and circulate such a petition, if the courts don't overturn 8 first.

An election in two years will probably not be necessary.

Just as in a recently announced Connecticut Supreme Court decision, the abridgement of the right of same sex couples to marry will be overturned by the courts.

 Before the election, polls showed No on Prop. 8 leading. Bradley effect? Mormon church? Black people?

$50 million in lies.

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It would match my sense of poetic justice if the appeal of Proposition 8 were to become the SCOTUS case legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide.  California led the nation in repealing laws against interracial marriage, but this time we're behind the curve.  Be nice if the Mormons and Catholics were the ones ultimately responsible for marriage equality.

Having watched the video of this woman in Palm Springs, all I can say is this. She did this just to get a rise out of these people and get their reaction on camera. It's unfortunate she got what she came there for, but there it is. Her actions are typical of the Pro Prop 8 group. As for "getting over it", let's see how much whining ensues when this ridiculous proposition is overturned.

"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson: his motto.

Until the courts decide to look at the issue, my position remains the same and that is to try and continue to campaign and educate for the next elections cycle, or as gopher says, maybe even the next.  I also believe what erik is thinking is correct in that the violence and radicalism may drive away some crucial segments of the voting public.  I would like people to think I am not demanding anything, but rather asking for the same privilege other Americans are entitled to.

"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson: his motto.

How nice. Quote a man who impregnated who knows how many female slaves. What would this adulterer know about "obedience to God"?

He was a deist/Unitarian and edited his personal copy of the bible to reflect that.

The deist's god cares nothing about sex.  Oh, and it seems that "who knows how many" would be "one," if that many.  His wife (who may very well have been Sally Hemmings' half-sister) was deceased.

Mystral, as far as we know, he only had a (probable) relationship with one female slave, Sally Hemings, and that was after the death of his wife.  Since Sally was probably his late wife's half sister, there may have been a family resemblance that Jefferson found attractive.  Of course Sally could not refuse the relationship. Jefferson was her owner and master, and that is what I find so repugant.  Whatever feelings Jefferson and Sally may have had for each other will be one of history's mysteries.

So, it's okay he had sex with slaves then? "Blacks are inferior because they have a lower mental ability". His words, not mine. I guess that pretty much sums up his thoughts with regard to an entire race of people.  As far as "if that many" in reference to having had sexual relations with a slave, there's dna evidence to back up the fact that he did father at least one of her children. He edited his own bible to reflect his own beliefs. Sounds awfully familiar. If his deist God doesn't care about sex, why use this man's motto to enforce why it is Prop 8 was voted in? As far as his wife being deceased, I apologize for mis-speaking.

gopherbro:

I have read that, as slave owners go, he was considered to be kind, if a slave owner can be considered that. It's known that he fired one of his overseers because the man was cruel and handled them harshly. I too find it repugnant that he felt it was okay to own them, okay to have sex with them (well, at least one), but not okay to allow them to live freely. Using this man's motto was a poor example.

So, it's okay he had sex with slaves then?

No, it's not OK.  It's potentially a form of sexual harassment because the two involved can never be equals...although we have no idea what personal relationship, if any, Jefferson and Hemmings had.  That Jefferson had slaves at all is a real peculiarity.

But it's hardly adultery, and it's hardly anything that cancels out  his lifetime of achievements and service to the country.

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He edited his own bible to reflect his own beliefs.

He kept the good stuff, the stuff Jesus said should be done, the beatitudes, etc.  He only edited out the nonsense, like the assertions of divinity and the fifty-years-later reports of miracles.

why use this man's motto to enforce why it is Prop 8 was voted in?

Jefferson included among those tyrants who must be opposed, organized religion.  It's carved in marble on his memorial.

Here's another quote you may like better:

"Individuals fall in love and get married. Why don’t you want your fellow men and women, your fellow Americans to be happy? Why do you attack them? Why do you want to destroy the love they hold in their hearts? Why do you want to crush their hopes, their dreams, their longings, their aspirations? We are talking about human beings, people like you, people want to get married, buy house, and spend their lives with the one they love. They have done no wrong.”

--Martin Luther King.

LA and Santa Clara Counties have joined San Francisco's lawsuit against Prop 8.  Wonder if we can get the Kern Supervisors to go along?

I do like that quote, random. MLK truly spoke from the heart. Insofar as the Kern Supervisors going along? Why not ask them? It could be quite entertaining.

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"Jefferson included among those tyrants who must be opposed, organized religion.  It's carved in marble on his memorial."

I must have misunderstood why this motto was put there. I'm all for opposing organized religion. I'm one of those who is more spiritual than religious. I guess because of all talk I've seen lately where people use religion as an excuse to discriminate, the motto hit me the wrong way, or in a way that wouldn't ordinarily. Plus it was before lunch time and I was crabby!

Latest wrinkle in the battle over Prop 8 in the courts...what happens if the California Secretary of State (a fellow named Edmund G. Brown, Jr.) declines to put up a defense of the law in court?

http://www.calitics.com/sho...

I love how the radical gay community thinks it can just legislate perceived bigotry, homophobia and prejudice away.  You make a law, and everyone is going to abide by it - no one is going to seek to subtly hinder, thwart or retaliate against you because there are laws in place for that.  Open your damn mascara lined fake eyelash studded eyes!  You're endangering us all.

Why do gays want to get married?  So they can feel accepted and welcomed by society?  To have "equal" rights?  I mean, why bother to get married at all if all you are concerned with is how the two of you feel about each other?  Does that piece of paper really matter?  Does it give you all the benefits available to straight couples?  No?  So how do you accomplish this goal of being welcomed and treated as equals?  Do you shore up domestic partnership and keep it out of the religious arena and keep your support?  NO!  You have four activist judges overturn the votes of millions and then you force voters to define marriage in a proposition when 52% of the voting public makes it clear they do not accept your point of view.  You trample on the religion of millions to get the point across.  And then, after driving all of your religious supporters away you show your true colors and resort to the courts, protests, intimidation, threats and harrassment that's sure to win you the votes next go 'round.  That's a great strategy, and as someone who is clearly not on your side I urge you to go forward with it!

Someone made the comment that we'll have a new set of voters in the next few years and the election results will be different.  You're absolutely right.  With more Catholics streaming in from Mexico and with several religious people, both gay and straight, disgusted by the radical wing of the gay population you'll probably find more people voting and yet garner less support than you did this year...way to go - you just set gay "rights" back a decade or so!

If you want to be accepted in the the community and treated as equals, keep your perversion at home, in the closet antd off of the public streets AND out of the classrooms where my kids go to school.

It's not natural and this isn't a campaign of civil rights, no matter how much you want to make it so.

Seems to me like the people have spoken, not once, but twice and you need to either live with it or move on to somewhere else.

What part of NO do you not understand???

Erikbako, if it was up to people like you, we'd still be rousted in bars whenever the police got bored. If it was up to people like you, adult sodomy laws would still be in place.  If it was up to people like you, the domestic partnership law would never have been presented in the legislature, because such a concept was simply too radical.

Obviously, people who dislike gays will attempt to get around the laws.  For example, a photographer who doesn't want to photograph gay marriage ceremonies will say he is booked up in order to thwart the Unruh Civil Rights Act.  99 times out of 100 he will be successful, but that is no excuse for not having the laws and not working on obtaining equal rights.

"Four activist judges". Get real. Three moderate Republicans (all appointed by moderate Republican Governors) and one slightly-left of center Democrat decided that the equal protection clause of the state constitution actually meant what it said.  "Trampling on religious rights?" Get real some more.  The decision made very clear that it only applied to CIVIL MARRIAGE as controlled by state law.  For your information, the state absolutely lacks authority to tell any religion what that religion may or may not recognize as marriage, just as any religion has no authority to tell the state how to run marriage as a civil institution. "The majority?"  In an absolute referendum on the subject 48% of Californians said with their votes that they favored marriage equality.  What would the percentage have been ten years ago? Or twenty?

I've known "gay" people like you ever since I knocked door to door in Eugene Oregon during the fight over the gay rights ordinance in thirty years ago.  You're comfortable with the status quo. You don't want to rock the boat.  You're afraid of a backlash.  You desperately seek the approval of those secret homophobes who share your "conservative values" and ignore the fact that they are laughing behind your back.

You would have told Wille Brown in 1975, "Look, the adult de-criminalization legislation has failed seven times already, give up."

You would have told Harvey Milk, in 1977, "Look, you've lost twice already, go back to selling cameras."

You would have told Sheila Kuehl and the other legislators in 1998, "Look domestic partnership is a pipedream, don't rock the boat."

On the other hand, you are perfectly willing to accept the benefits of those who are willing to put their necks on the block in order to obtain progress.

So, ERIK, please, please, go back into your closet and lock it from the inside.  We will be sure to tell you when it is safe to come out.

Tonyh, the "part of no" I clearly understand is that 48/52 this time around can easily become 52/48 next time around.  The difference between Prop 22 in 2000 and Prop 8 in 2008 was 9 percentage points in favor of marriage equality.  My guess is that, if not before, Prop XX in 2016 will be 55% in favor of marriage equality and 45% against.

Time marches on.  There is such a thing as progress. You can't stop the clock. Get my drift?

gopherbro

You and yours just keep on pushing. All you're doing is making more people intolerant of your ways. I used to be a tolerant one  but you people have caused me be fed up and intolerant.

Lots of NORMAL people are being pushed to the limit just like me. Go ahead, have it put on the ballot again. It'll lose by an even bigger margin next time.

It isn't progress, it's perversion and we the people are sick of you trying to convince everyone that it's ok.  

Gopherbro, funny (and predictable) how you verbally attack me because I don't share your liberal views. 

Regarding your assertions about being closeted.  Hmm, I've never hid my identity, but if I had to it would be because of queens like you.  Honestly, I'm a normal guy, why would I want to be associated with a bunch of loud mouthed freaks?  With guys accosting old ladies and taking their crosses away, or dressing up like nuns in makeup, or dressing up as women?  I don't see myself that way, and because of that, I'm closeted?  Ok.  I am content with who I am and I don't have to be out there pushing the envelope and trying to make myself heard over the dim hubbub of nothingness that constitutes most gays' existence.

You're right about some things though.  I AM comfortable with the status quo, because I don't see, even in this conservative town, anyone knocking down my door to haul me and my partner off to jail!  I respect the religion of others and they respect me, and I don't have to demand their acceptance because I have earned it by being respectful in return.  Respect is a concept that you and yours should learn.

Your diatribe did contain some interesting points.  As Marylee and Ken pointed out during the debate at CSUB, a passage of gay marriage by voters would lead to a Pandora's box of lawsuits against those who don't want to photograph gay weddings, among other things.  Funny, how you'd support  Muslim wearing a veil for a DMV photograph while simultaneously suing a photographer for not photographing your wedding, even if the basis (religious belief) were the same.  Talk about a double standard!  Kind of like the double-standard of wanting respect and acceptance of a community where you show none and give none in return.  Are all gays as selfish as this?

I'm so glad that Prop 8 passed, because if nothing else it's a slap in the face to people like you that don't look beyond the borders of WeHo & SoHo to realize the rest of the world, surprisingly, does not share your views!  Hell, *I* don't share your views and I'm gay and consider myself a moderate!  So keep pushing!  I just pray that I'm not caught in the middle when the other side starts to push back, and they will push back...

Gay marriage does not force anyone to be gay.  Either you are or you arent.  Then a drunk is a drunk, he doesn't just drink. A liar is a liar he doesn't just tell lies, a pedophile is a pedophile, he just doesn't abuse kids.... let's see what else can we blame on your pseudo-genetics.

*Marriage (straight or gay) is not  taught in schools. Not directly, but through out most subjects there are supplementary materials and additional lessons that revolve around accepting gay lifestyle and such, this IS indoctrination no matter what.

*Churches can still refuse to marry ANYONE. NOT YET, but if you guys have it your way is only a matter of time. It's also a matter of time until the Boy Scouts stop being what they are and countless other groups who refuse to follow your agenda stop doing what they do because of you. Look at Massachussetts and other states for cases.

*My marriage will in no way effect your marriage. Is not my marriage that I am worried about, is the way you are rasing your kids that worries me.

*Domestic Partnerships and marriage are not the same. The fight for those rights that make them different not  more. You already have all rights we heteros have.

*Fundamental rights should never be voted on. Fundamental right to what???  How many people have to practice a given lifestyle before we consider it a "fundamental right" ? How close are the pedophilia and  bestiality  perverts to making their "lifestyle" a fundamental right?  

*The will of the people is not always of best interest. Right, no disagreement there. The proposition should have passed 99% to 1%.

*Proposition 8 violates our state's Equal Protection Clause.That is why we are changing the consitution ergo, the EPC will violate the constitution. Is that what you want to happen?

*Christians need to simply follow their own rules instead of trying to legislate them on everyone else. Why pick on christians NO other world religion accepts homosexuality as natural or acceptable. That being said, you are right about them living their own rules. no argument there. But the same goes for you. Don't try t legislate on me what I find acceptable or not.

"I could go on and on, but some of you will get the point. It doesn't take a genuis to figure these things out".

It doesn't take a genuis to figure these things out.

Self-referential post of the day.