its a pearl Sage

and its even bettern' the old one!

 If I thought the reason behind posting the number of fallen was to honor them I wouldn't mind seeing it there.  But we all know that's not the real purpose.  It wasn't in the beginning and I don't believe it is now.

Chico, Chico Chico~ you simply must get a patent on those glass's that see into a persons soul~through your PDA no less.... 

 Funny, Chico, but you've insulted people for wanting to bring the troops home and out of harm's way (because it doesn't accomplish the larger goal of "the War on Terror"), and now you're claiming that someone doesn't care about the troops because they're honoring those who have fallen in service to this country. You can't have it both ways.
 

Why don't you give it a rest.

 Give it a rest Random

You could give a Sierra Hotel crap about the troops

4004.

 Anti, just think if Obama gets elected you can easily swap a black caricature in place of the Pres. Bush face on your little cartoon and be accurate.  

 posted by NumberOfTheFallen on Mar 27, 2008 at 08:34 AM

4003

With all the respect due I can muster

P*ss Off  poster who goes by the handle  "NumberOfTheFallen"

Your handle belies your true intent

You are as transparent as a pane of TSMMattlochRF Glass to me..............

4003.

 Chico, as I pointed out (repeatedly), for the first 200 years of this country's existence, "white" and "government" have been interchangable.
 

OK. I get it now Mattloch.

As Richard Dawson would have said:   "Good Answer!"....

In the  "old days" White meant Govt and vice versa. Kewl. I get it now.

Thanks. Sometimes we need a real historian like yourself to set us plebes straight.

 Yeah, but the leadership is getting less and less white Matt. I mean, at least we're not slapping on large doses of white powder on us.

Maybe we have leaders who put large amounts of white powder...in them...but not on them. LOL 

 Chico, as I pointed out (repeatedly), for the first 200 years of this country's existence, "white" and "government" have been interchangable.
 

Care to disprove history?

Best Republican president in 40 years.

 Compared to Bush, Reagan was a liberal.  Compared to Reagan, Nixon was a liberal.  Actually, compared to Bill Clinton, Nixon was pretty liberal...

Right about now Bill Clinton looks pretty good.........

OUCH!

 I didn't say he was right on history. Whether he is or not he is still a racist. If you are saying the White man invented AIDS in order to wipe out the black man I say you are full of beans. But you go ahead and believe that.

Just don't expect me to buy into it any more than I'm responsible for the mistreatment of blacks.

You or Mattloch have still not answered the question.

So he was right on the history.

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I have no problem with people who feel they should be treated differently due to *PRESENT* real or perceived injuries, and that's the case here.  The history Obama cited shows how we got to this point.

 Again Chico, please show me where he was wrong on the history. In the speeches you quote, he talks about history. I say that he is historically accurate. If he's racist, then history is racist. ~Mattloch
 

I feel no guilt over things I haven't done and will never do. I have no problem holding everyone to the same standard but I do have a problem with people who feel they should be treated differently due to past real or perceived injuries or injustices.

You evidently do not..............

 I think that's right, RF.  The construction is pretty widely used by politicians now.

How am I supposed to stay at least a little serious if you two keep cracking me up?  But,thanks I need the yucks today.

 Compared to Bush, Reagan was a liberal.  Compared to Reagan, Nixon was a liberal.  Actually, compared to Bill Clinton, Nixon was pretty liberal...

Beautiful, Tom.  Didn't Adlai Stevenson answer a woman who said he had the votes of "every thinking American" that it wasn't enough, he needed a majority...

Heck, compared to the Shrubbery, *NIXON* is left-wing.

 Sage: "Well that should motivate any student of history to vote for Obama"

Um, yeah, we're gonna need a few more votes than that... :)

That "most liberal senator" ranking is fairly bogus, as it depends year-to-year on which votes the senator missed due to travel, etc.

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Regnery is the son of the right-wing vanity press founder, if I recall correctly, and was the head of Ed Meese's blue-nose Commission on Porn.  Got someone whose opinion doesn't inspire laughter?

 Actually, Carter is a bit to the left of Obama.  Just saying.

Well that should motivate any student of history to vote for Obama~ look what happened with Nixon.  :-)

 Here is some more info  :-)  Today's paper

Nixon on Primaries
By ALFRED REGNERY
If Democrats end up picking Barack Obama as their standard bearer, he will be the most left wing candidate to head a presidential ticket since George McGovern, the Democrat who ran against Richard...

Yes, the writer is black.  He's the Secretary of State of Ohio who got tossed out on his ear when he tried to run for Governor.  He's famous for trying to hamper voting in that state to help Shrub win in 2004.  A right-wing political hack.  If he's against Obama, I'm glad I'm for him.

 This article is in the New York Sun - the writer is black.  See what he has to say about Obama.

1. Beyond Obama's Beauty - February 14, 2008
   ... Beyond Obama's Beauty By KENNETH BLACKWELL February 14, 2008 A D V E R T I S E M E N T A D V E R T I S E M E N T "[C]ivilizational war is real, even if political leaders and ...
   http://www.nysun.com/articl...
   
    

 Oh great!

I ask you a very simple question a fifth grader could could answer -- yes or no -- "Wright uses the word White instead of Govt when he really means Govt because............"        Too easy.

And yet you ask me to disprove a man's rantings on history over 20+ years.

But then, I guess if you choose to ignore someone calling your ethnic group racist, then your perspective is so skewed that your argument makes sense to only  you.

Do you really expect me to prove Wright is Wrong?

Actually, upon further reflection, that sounds more like your area of expertise.

Come on.......Answer my very simple question  -- WHY USED THE WORD WHITE WHEN YOU REALLY MEAN GOVT?

 Again Chico, please show me where he was wrong on the history. In the speeches you quote, he talks about history. I say that he is historically accurate. If he's racist, then history is racist.
 

I guess since facts have a well-known liberal bias, then history can be racist as well......

WHY  DOES REV WRIGHT UTILIZE THE WORD WHITE -- AS A STAND ALONE AND NOT EVEN IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE WORD GOVT -- IF HE IS INDEED TALKING JUST ABOUT GOVT? ----- (AND DOESN'T REALLY JUST HATE WHITE PEOPLE?)

 http://people.bakersfield.c... One story of an amazing patriot,who will spend the rest of his life in a chair with wheels.

 Game ,set ,match

One reason the death count is low is that medical science has "saved" a lot of wounded who would've died in earlier conflicts.  Hence the "signature wound" of the Iraq occupation, traumatic brain injury. 

Germany never attacked us

Actually, Germany did attack us first.

U.S. destroyers were used as protection for merchant ships and they were routinely attacked by German U-boats.

The destroyer Reuben James was sunk by the Germans on Oct. 31, 1941, before Pearl Harbor and before the U.S. entered the war. It was the first U.S. ship sunk by German forces.

VFA News Analysis: March 21, 2008

How sustainable is U.S. policy in Iraq when, five years and a day into the war, we’re presented with a growing suicide trend among combat veterans and a Pentagon leadership committed to extending deployments even further?

Attempted suicide rates among combat veterans jumped 44 percent from 2000 to 2007, CBS News reported. The jump was most pronounced for those aged 20-24, who are most likely to have fought in the current wars, and those aged 55-59, who are all too familiar with how shortsighted war policies during the Vietnam War era chewed up a generation of young American soldiers.

Top Pentagon leaders are weighing how much longer to sustain the troop surge in Iraq — despite clear evidence that it’s already causing considerable pain to soldiers, their families and the nation. Keeping the surge in place, referred to as a “pause,” is destined to last at least a month and likely longer, the Associated Press reported. “Officials also are giving various estimates for the length of the pause ranging from four to eight weeks, with most leaning toward the latter,” according to the report. Defense Secretary Robert Gates was quoted as saying he wants the pause to be brief. Have we heard assurances like this before?

As of yesterday, 3,991 Americans have died in Operation Iraqi Freedom and 29,451 have been wounded, according to the Pentagon’s latest disclosed data.

 It would seem the number of deaths reported from any conflict vary with the source.....and the agenda.  Interesting site here.

http://members.aol.com/usre...

War at any Price? the Total Economic Costs of the War Beyond the Federal Budget

Published November 2007

This Joint Economic Committee report, written by Democratic members, discusses the costs of war in Afghanistan and Iraq. The executive summary states, "The long wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have cost the United States in many ways. For the American Armed Forces, the human toll has been profound: as of November 9, 2007, 4,578 American soldiers have lost their lives, and 30,205 have been wounded, many of them gravely. The damage to our international reputation at a time when the United States faces grave security challenges all over the world has also been severe. And the full economic costs of the war to the American taxpayers and the overall U.S. economy go well beyond even theimmense federal budget costs already reported. These "hidden costs" of the Iraq war include the ongoing drain on U.S. economic growth created by Iraq-related borrowing, the disruptive effects of the conflict on world oil markets, the future care of our injured veterans, repair costs for the military, and other undisclosed

costs.http://www.cfr.org/publicat...

 BAGHDAD, Oct. 10 — A team of American and Iraqi public health researchers has estimated that 600,000 civilians have died in violence across Iraq since the 2003 American invasion, the highest estimate ever for the toll of the war here.

Germany never attacked us ; Japan did.

(again, exact numbers not verified)

  The first American soldier killed in the Vietnam War was Air Force T-Sgt. Richard B. Fitzgibbon Jr. He is listed by the U.S. Department of Defense as having a casualty date of June 8, 1956. His name was added to the Wall on Memorial Day 1999.

    First battlefield fatality was Specialist 4 James T. Davis who was killed on December 22, 1961.

    The last American soldier killed in the Vietnam War was Kelton Rena Turner, an 18-year old Marine. He was killed in action on May 15, 1975, two weeks after the evacuation of Saigon, in what became known as the Mayaguez incident.
Others list Gary L. Hall, Joseph N. Hargrove and Danny G. Marshall as the last to die in Vietnam. These three US Marines Corps veterans were mistakenly left behind on Koh Tang Island during the Mayaguez incident. They were last seen together but unfortunately to date, their fate is unknown. They are located on panel 1W, lines 130 - 131.

    Last pilot casualty occured during the Embassy evacuation in Saigon, William C. Nystal and Michael J. Shea both died on the helicopter on April 30, 1975 approaching the USS Hancock in the China Sea (both are located at 1W, 124).

The youngest Vietnam KIA is believed to be Dan Bullock at 15 years old.
The oldest person on the Wall is believed to be Dwaine McGriff at 63 years old.
At least 5 men killed in Vietnam were 16 years old.
At least 12 men killed in Vietnam were 17 years old.
There are 120 persons who listed foreign countries as their home of record.
At least 25,000 of those killed were 20 years old or younger.
More than 17,000 of those killed were married.
Veterans killed on their first day in Vietnam 997 (unconfirmed)
Veterans killed on their last day in Vietnam 1,448 (unconfirmed)
Number of Chaplains on the Wall -- 16 (2 Medal Of Honor)
Number of Women on the Wall -- 8 (7 Army, 1 USAF - 7,484 served)
The most casualties for a single day was on January 31, 1968 ~ 245 casualties.

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 Korean War 1950-53,  36,754 total US loses

 58,256 (my no. -- a little different than the "official" updated no.) on the Wall (or will be) (VN)

They should none be forgotten (from any war or conflict/police action)

By some of us they never will be!

From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost .... an average of 18,334 per year.

 North Korea never attacked us

(numbers not verified.)

And yes, all lives lost are mourned.

(But, of course,  it's different.)

 and I mourn every single one!

I hope that is the real purpose of your post!

 4000.

 Oh Chico, as for your last link (to National Review), saying that 9/11 was caused by our foreign policy decisions is much better (and accurate) than saying it was caused by a vengeful god in retribution for gays (or other "wicked" people); and FDR should have known about a coming attack (if he didn't actually know), and the CIA has been running drugs into American inner cities (and continues to to this day). So.... I fail to see the point, other than that conservatives are really having to ignore history as well as distort intent in order to bring someone down these days.......

Is this the question you are asking? Just what is the question? That I think the CIA has been running drugs into black neighborhoods (and still is) or what?

I have a simple answer for you if it is. I don't buy it! You and Maxine Waters can. That is your right!

 At least I answer questions, instead of running off, or devolving the discussion into name-calling when I don't have anything else to do.
 

Are you kidding?

Answer the question. Unlike yours it is not subject to linking to others' opinions -- it is very straight forward. You can answer it for YOURSELF -- not give someone else's opinion or  "treatise" on the matter!

WHY  DOES REV WRIGHT UTILIZE THE WORD WHITE -- AS A STAND ALONE AND NOT EVEN IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE WORD GOVT -- IF HE IS INDEED TALKING JUST ABOUT GOVT? ----- (AND DOESN'T JUST HATE WHITE PEOPLE?)