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rightthinking - > Right Thinking -> Student's freedom quashed in college classroom
Student's freedom quashed in college classroom

It was in fine form back in 1992, when, as a returning student, I took a speech class at Bakersfield College.

It was obvious my political and social views differed from those of my professor’s, but that difference never interfered with my freedom to speak or her ability to fairly grade my efforts.

Jonathan Lopez, a student at Los Angeles Community College, should be so lucky.

Lopez, a Christian, filed a religious discrimination lawsuit against the college earlier this month after being mocked for his faith in Speech 101, of all places.

According to the suit, Lopez and his fellow students were instructed by Professor John Matteson to give informative speeches on any topic. Lopez talked about how God had changed his life in a speech that included two Bible verses and a dictionary definition of marriage.

Before Lopez could finish his speech, however, an incensed Matteson cut him off, calling the 22-year-old a “fascist bastard” in front of the class and telling the other students they were free to leave if they were offended by Lopez’s remarks, the lawsuit says. When no students left, Matteson dismissed the entire class.

Later, when Lopez asked his professor to grade the speech, Matteson refused to do so, instead handing Lopez an evaluation form on which was written “proselytizing is inappropriate in public school” and a terse “Ask God what your grade is.”

That form — along with further examples of Matteson’s intolerant behavior toward Lopez — is now in the hands of some of my favorite people, the Alliance Defense Fund, a Christian legal group that filed the suit on Lopez’s behalf.

David Hacker, ADF staff counsel, says the case is part of a nationwide epidemic of vague and overbroad campus speech codes that allows “administrators and students to punish other students for anything that’s subjectively offensive.”

“Colleges are supposed to be the marketplace of ideas, but have really become islands of intolerance,” Hacker says.

It must be especially intimidating for students when that intolerance is directed at them by those in authority over their academic success, which is why I was relieved to read Cal State Bakersfield’s philosophy regarding academic freedom in the school catalog.

“The expression of different points of view in the classroom by faculty and students is not only a right, but also a responsibility,” reads the policy. “Having an ideological divergent opinion does not constitute grounds for punitive action.”

Good to know. I trust it’s a philosophy our local academics take to heart. Maybe one of them should fax a copy of the CSU philosophy to Allison Jones, dean of Academic Affairs at LACC and Matteson, who wasn’t in his office when called for comment.

In a letter responding to the ADF lawsuit, Jones wrote that the school considered the “classroom incident to be very serious in nature” and that she had already started “the progressive discipline process.”

Great. But Jones just couldn’t resist including in the letter statements by two of Lopez’s fellow students who felt Lopez “should have to pay some price for preaching hate in the classroom.”

Matteson’s assault on Lopez should have been blasted without qualification, but including the students’ remarks surely reflects Jones’ belief that the professor’s censorship had merit.

So a couple of students were offended by another’s “ideological divergent opinion.” So what? Perhaps it’s time these young adults learn the right to free speech is not theirs alone.

And perhaps it’s time for freedom-crushers like Matteson — who, by the way is still in the classroom — to find another line of work.

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posted by ApolloDawn on Feb 28, 2009 at 11:12 AM

There is a little more to the story:

http://www.latimes.com/news...

http://www.examiner.com/a-1...

The "fascist bastard" remark, while grossly inappropriate and unprofessional, appears to have been directed not at the student's faith, but at the political viewpoint expressed.

I think the student will win, and I hope he does.

Here is a gay journalist who believes that the professor acted inappropriately:

http://www.examiner.com/x-2...

These incidents, and other ugly incidents like them, could be prevented by not subjecting people to the degradation of having their lives put to a vote.  But everyone would have been better served if the professor had taken the high road.

posted by CatherineBaker on Feb 28, 2009 at 11:32 AM

I had a professor once who was like this.  He was supposed to be an English teacher but would often get lost in the dulcet tones of his own voice and end up yammering about his opinions on totally unrelated topics--and he DID NOT allow for differing opinions.  In fact, he would freak out if you disagreed with him and then he would tell you to leave his classroom.  Haha!  Which, in retrospect, would be a more profitable way to spend your time since listening to a blowhard opine was a total waste of time.

Professors sometimes act like they are the authority on EVERYTHING.  Not all professors, but some.  

Clearly, this particular professor never mastered the art of getting out of someone's way when they are making a fool of themself.  He should have let that kid get down with his bad self on how gay marriage is a sin, and then also let that kid get beat up later by the gay mafia!  Haha!  

posted by witterpitters on Feb 28, 2009 at 11:45 AM

In high school, freshman year, my history teacher kicked me out for asking questions. He wanted to just sit there and listen to him drone on and on, but I was raised to question (respectfully) things I didn't understand. He wanted none of it. 

posted by Lingtaowoo on Feb 28, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Years ago..after I came back home after being discharged from the Marines...I enrolled into Bakersfield College using my G.I. bill...and it was a brief stay to say the least....

One of the teachers started a 'bull session' and was making his opinions felt as to the war in Viet Nam...having been fortunate to have ran off to Canada....and as you may know, that didn't sit well with some in the class....

So rather than sitting there listening to this--some of us asked to be excused--having a difference in opinion.....so rather than being excused..he kicked us out of class....

As we were walking out...he continued to talk and call us names as we were walking out.....one WORD stopped me in my tracks and turned me around---the word was COWARDS.....

I handed my books off to another that was walking out and went over to his desk...I reached into my 'jungle boot' and pulled out a Marine K-Bar....and asked him if he really thought of what we did overseas was the act of COWARDS---or was the COWARDS the ones running into Canada....

So I do believe in freedom of speach.....just be darn sure it doesn't get your throat cut.....

 

posted by CatherineBaker on Feb 28, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Witters--I once had an English teacher (different teacher--this one in high school) recite a famous poem by Emily Dickenson and then totally butcher the meaning.  So I (respectfully--believe it or not) called him on it.  He thought "moor" in:

I never saw a moor

I never saw the sea

Yet I know how the heather looks

And what a wave must be.

meant "to moor a boat."  The poem made no sense the way he (with circular logic) explained it (I mean, where does the heather come in with all this seafaring stuff?  Haha!)  So anyway, I told him "moor" was a hill.  The Brontes were always rhapsodizing about the "lonely, windswept moors" of northern England--that's how I knew (that may be how Emily Dickenson knew too, for all I know.) 

Anyway, he totally disagreed with me and wanted to move on, but I didn't think that was a good idea.  I didn't want my classmates to think Emily Dickenson was a crusty old tar or something (haha!) so I went and got a dictionary off the shelf and read him the correct definition and then re-read the poem.  Anyway, he hated me after that.  I thought he was a dork anyway, and I paid closer attention to the stuff he said after that.  I wasn't gonna let him try to confuse my classmates ever again.

posted by sagefever on Feb 28, 2009 at 12:10 PM

I guess I was lucky to have such great teachers,specifically my English lit. teacher in high school. Always open to other ideas,he actually encouraged us to challenge him. I had only one collage teacher who used belittling tactics in his classroom but thankfully he quit teaching and went into government or something.... ;-)

 

posted by Lingtaowoo on Feb 28, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Too bad NO college or University has a Common Sense Course.....that course could very well save someone's life one day....


posted by airqualityguy on Feb 28, 2009 at 03:58 PM

I don't know how he can claim to be a Christian and give an anti-gay hate speech in a classroom setting where he probably does not know what the reaction will be and who he will offend.  Christians need to have some common sense as they express their beliefs.  Needless to say, the professor may have over reacted as well.


posted by erikbako on Feb 28, 2009 at 08:13 PM

Universities have long been paradigms of double-standards.  At the UC I attended, we had a "Principles of Community" which basically "guaranteed" freedom of speech with the caveat, "so long as it is not offensive".  What is offensive?  I, for one, am offended by minorities constantly blaming their problems on the Europeans, as if they weren't slaughtering, enslaving, killing or sacrificing one another prior to our arrival.  I consider it offensive to have the La Raza clubs, Black Men on Campus, Gay Fraternities and Latina Sororities - all of which identify themselves as such, without having clubs like white pride, the straight fraternity, or the blonde white girl sorority.  Universities only promote the idea of the freedom of speech so long as it jives with their liberal world view, and throw out the words "offensive, racist, and homophobic" all too often to denegrate those who do not agree with their politically correct world view.

posted by witbee on Mar 1, 2009 at 08:40 AM

Never had a problem myself. If a prof and I disagreed, we usually developed a witty rapport about it. Especially my Botany prof at CSUB. Flaming Liberal, but very good natured about it. Loved his classes.

posted by teachercate65 on Mar 1, 2009 at 09:38 AM

Having heard about this from fellow family members who teach at the Community College level.......this instructor was WRONG.  It shall be interesting what the District does inregards to the instructors behavior and actions toward the student.

posted by rightthinking on Mar 3, 2009 at 10:13 AM

Airqualityguy: You miss the point entirely. Reading Bible verses and a dictionary definition of marriage is not "anti-gay hate speech." And suggesting Mr. Lopez erred in giving his speech - in a speech class - because it might offend someone clearly echos the professor's sentiments.

Why, as you suggest, should Christian students be more cautious than others in way or forum they express their beliefs or opinions? Why should they not have the same freedom to express these opinions the same as anyone else?

What hypocrisy.

 

posted by randomfactor on Mar 3, 2009 at 10:26 AM

 Airqualityguy: You miss the point entirely. Reading Bible verses and a dictionary definition of marriage is not "anti-gay hate speech."

We don't know *WHAT* the student said.  Certain Bible verses contain instructions to kill people you don't agree with, including family members.  Sounds pretty close to "anti-gay hate speech."

That said, the student had a right to his opinion, ignorant and ill-informed though it almost certainly was.  I had a similar experience once with a right-winger social studies teacher in high school.

posted by rightthinking on Mar 4, 2009 at 08:11 PM

Really, RF? Which Bible verses would those be? Would you cite them? And, since we don't know what the student said, how can it "sound pretty close to anti-gay speech?"

SInce you really haven't a clue as to what the student said, how can you assume it was "almost certainly" misinformed? Could it be because you enthusiastically embrace a sweeping, negative sterotype of Christians?

And you have the nerve to lecture on tolerance. Again, what hypocrisy.

 

 

 

posted by rightthinking on Mar 4, 2009 at 08:12 PM

Really, RF? Which Bible verses would those be? Would you cite them? And, since we don't know what the student said, how can it "sound pretty close to anti-gay speech?"

SInce you really haven't a clue as to what the student said, how can you assume it was "almost certainly" misinformed? Could it be because you enthusiastically embrace a sweeping, negative sterotype of Christians?

And you have the nerve to lecture on tolerance. Again, what hypocrisy.

 

 

 

posted by ApolloDawn on Mar 4, 2009 at 11:10 PM

I don't think RF is being hypocritical.  He said that the student had the right to his opinion.  In a very backhanded way, I think he was on the side of the student's freedom of speech.

I agree, however, that whatever the student said was not reproduced here or in the sources that I found, so I cannot comment on the nature of the speech.

We shouldn't just assume it is hate speech.  Hear it first, and then decide.

posted by ShellyTrinidad on Mar 5, 2009 at 11:23 PM

MaryLee, here is a scripture reference for you ... Deuteronomy 13: 6-11 teaches people to kill anyone, no matter the relation the person may be to you, if the person tries to entice you to serve any other gods. Is that good enough for you? There are more similar to this.

That’s all I have to say to her … now I have some words for my fellow hedonists. I am bi-sexual, and I am not a believer in any god. I believe that the government definition of religion should be "a belief system which deals with origins, purpose of life, and things to come after death." or something along those lines. The reason I say this is that TOLERANCE in America is supposed to deal with people's religious beliefs. I want people to be tolerant of my belief that when I die, electrical activity will cease in my body and I will become a corpse. I will be tolerant when a person believes in Santa, the Easter bunny, leprechauns, or supernatural beings that can create with a thought. Professor John Matteson was NOT tolerant of Jonathan Lopez at any time. Atheism (my religion) has become a religion with a very large following. Even the US government and our educational systems endorse Atheism.

“Lopez talked about how God had changed his life in a speech that included two Bible verses and a dictionary definition of marriage.” That doesn't make him a Christian. Most people today who call themselves "Christian" are far from it. I’ve known of people who hear about a god, change their life, can quote a scripture, but they can’t be called by the label that belongs to that religion. Are you a Hindu or Buddhist just because you believe “what goes around comes around”? So what makes this guy a Christian? Because his lawyer said-so? Does believing the Christian bible to be true make you a Christian? How silly. Are you assuming that he engaged in hate speech because he gave the dictionary definition of marriage? Are you really so stupid? “People like Shelly should be lined up and shot. She is a perversion of nature and she will corrupt this society.” That would be hate speech. But if some guy with an opinion got up on his little soap box and tried to convince people of his opinion (like many of us do when we post on Bakersfield.com) using what he believes to be evidence that supports him, that is just rhetoric. Get over yourselves and your belief that society owes you a warm embrace. I am a minority in more ways than one: female, Asian, & lesbian. I don’t expect many people to like me, or to legalize anything that I might want to do with my life. I’m ok with that.

 

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