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Keeping an eye on them:Dems,Iraq and Promises
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Stuck in Iraq?
September 27, 2007
Democratic candidates are pinned down on how quickly they would bring troops home from Iraq. The front-runners said it could take them years.
Summary
The latest Democratic presidential debate brought into sharp focus the candidates' disagreements on how quickly the U.S. can disentangle itself from Iraq.
Long-shot candidate Dennis Kucinich stood by his promise to bring all troops home within three months, and Bill Richardson said he could do it in a year – even at the cost of leaving some military equipment behind. But Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama said they might have to keep some combat troops there in a counterterrorism role for more than four years, and John Edwards said he'd likely have thousands of non-combat troops there in a protective role. We offer no judgments about whether any of the differing positions are practical or foolish, good or bad. We note only that the candidates, under questioning by an expert moderator, spelled out their positions in fairly specific terms.
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When making promises, candidates tend to use murky terms that sound good but could mean anything, letting the listener believe what they will. At the Sept. 26 debate among Democratic presidential candidates at Dartmouth College in Hanover, New Hampshire, Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois once again used the term "phased redeployment," which many Democrats use to describe what they favor for U.S. troops in Iraq.
The term was popularized in Democratic circles in 2005 shortly after the release of a paper titled “Strategic Redeployment,” written by Lawrence Korb and Brian Katulis of the liberal Center for American Progress. But it's not an official military term, and its precise meaning is unclear. Republicans should know that: In 1984, the National Council of Teachers of English bestowed third place in its annual Doublespeak Award to Ronald Reagan’s Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger for claiming that the removal of American soldiers from Lebanon was a redeployment and not a withdrawal. Nevertheless, Republicans have been quick to characterize the phrase as a euphemism for “retreat.” But what exactly would each of the Democratic candidates do if elected president? Now, thanks to insistent questioning by NBC News' Tim Russert, the debate moderator, we know what the candidates say they would do, at least, with a fair amount of precision. Some Democrats would take years longer than others to bring home all the troops. Here's what each of them said when Russert asked if they could promise to have all U.S. troops out of Iraq within four years of taking office: Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich said he'd get all troops out within three months of taking office: Russert: You'll pledge to have all troops out by January of 2013?New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson said he would get all troops out within one year, by January 2010, even at the expense of abandoning some military equipment: Russert: How can you do it in one year?...Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut promised all troops out sometime during the four-year term: Russert: Will you pledge as commander in chief that you have all troops out of Iraq by January of 2013?Former Sen. John Edwards said he couldn't promise to get all U.S. troops out in four years, but he said he'd leave behind only a few thousand and none in a combat role: Russert: Senator Edwards, will you commit that at the end of your first term, in 2013, all U.S. troops will be out of Iraq?Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York said that her "goal" is to have all U.S. troops out of Iraq by 2013 but that she can't promise that would happen. And some combat troops might remain. Clinton: Well, Tim, it is my goal to have all troops out by the end of my first term. But I agree with Barack. It is very difficult to know what we're going to be inheriting.... I will immediately move to begin bringing our troops home when I am inaugurated.... [But there] may be a continuing counterterrorism mission, which, if it still exists, will be aimed at al Qaeda in Iraq. It may require combat, Special Operations Forces or some other form of that, but the vast majority of our combat troops should be out.Sen. Barack Obama took a very similar position, saying some U.S. troops would remain for an indefinite period for "counterterrorism activities," which we presume means combat troops. Russert: Will you pledge that by January 2013, the end of your first term more than five years from now, there will be no U.S. troops in Iraq?Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware said U.S. troops would remain if a political settlement is reached to end civil violence, but otherwise he would bring them back. Biden: If in fact there is no political solution by the time I am president, then I would bring them out because all they are is fodder. But ... [if] you have a stable Iraq like we have in Bosnia – we've had 20,000 Western troops in Bosnia for 10 years. Not one has been killed – not one. The genocide has ended. [But] I would make a commitment to have them all out if there is not a political reconciliation, because they're just fodder.Former Sen. Mike Gravel didn't say directly how quickly he could get troops home if he is elected, but he said Clinton, Obama and Biden should filibuster until President Bush agrees to bring home troops now: Russert: Senator, are you suggesting that these candidates suspend their campaigns, go back to Washington and for 40 consecutive days vote on the war? Factual Bobbles
The candidates' specifics on their plans for Iraq were more enlightening, we thought, than the factual stumbles. But we did find a few missteps:
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Korb, Lawrence and Katulis, Brian. “Strategic Redeployment: A Progressive Plan for Iraq and the Struggle against Violent Extremists.” Washington, DC: Center for American Progress, 2005.
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posted by
robbwillis
on Sep 28, 2007 at 09:54 AM
That was one of the few questions Hillary actually answered. Kudos to Russert for really going after the candidates when they went to their usual obsfucation tactics. Biden and Obama's stock went up in my book. Time for Richardson and Gravel to drop out. Anyone watch the third-string Republican's last night? Alan Keyes looked like the winner while I watched, but I had to turn the channel when Brownback went into "God" mode. posted by
sagefever
on Sep 28, 2007 at 10:01 AM
posted by
creepycat
on Sep 28, 2007 at 12:32 PM
Running for President and not having the facts straight. I guess that's a lesser evil to having a President who doesn't have his facts straight.
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