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What makes a Nazi a Nazi ?
I normally do not do the cut and paste tango ~ but this column embodies what has been on my mind ~ we do not respect each other anymore,we respect history even less. Those two things combined will bring down this country faster than anything or anyone could. I am sick and I hope you are too. Sick of demonizing "the other". Here are the words of Mr. Pitts~ What makes a Nazi a Nazi? We all need a history lesson on the topic By LEONARD PITTS JR.lpitts@MiamiHerald.comI hope this column makes you sick. See, we'll be talking about Nazis, something many of us are doing lately. Indeed, just this week a fellow named Joseph e-mailed me about a caller he heard on a radio show. The man, vexed over healthcare reform, likened President Obama to Adolf Hitler. Asked why, he said, ``Hitler took over the car companies, then healthcare and then he killed the Jews.'' Said Joseph: ``I almost swerved my vehicle off the road when I heard that.'' But the caller is hardly unique. Google ``Obama + Nazis'' and you get almost seven million hits. Nor is the phenomenon new. Substitute President Bush's name and you get nearly 2.8 million. An invasion of sorts Even granting that many of those hits are benign, it seems obvious the Nazis have invaded American political rhetoric in a big way. As in Rush Limbaugh declaring healthcare reform ``a Hitler-like policy,'' swastikas popping up at protest rallies, a poster depicting Obama with Hitler's mustache and a pamphlet that says: ``Act Now To Stop Obama's Nazi Health Plan! It's important to remember that the Nazis are passing out of living memory; U.S. soldiers of that era are said to be dying at the rate of 1,200 a day. Which makes it too easy, I think, for a nation of notorious historical illiteracy to remake the Nazis as some kind of all-purpose boogeymen for slandering political enemies and scoring cheap rhetorical points. So I thought it would be good to make you sick, i.e., to spend a few minutes reminding some and teaching others what you invoke when you invoke the Nazi regime. For the record, then: It was Nazis who shoved sand down a boy's throat until he died, who tossed candies to Jewish children as they sank to their deaths in a sand pit, who threw babies from a hospital window and competed to see how many of those ``little Jews'' could be caught on a bayonet, who injected a cement-like fluid into women's uteruses to see what would happen, who stomped a pregnant woman to death, who once snatched a woman's baby from her arms and, in the words of an eyewitness," tore him as one would tear a rag.'' Ideology over reason That's who the Nazis were, ladies and gentlemen -- those obscenities plus six million more. They were the triumph of ideology over reason and even over humanity, the demonization of racial, religious and political difference, the objectification of the vulnerable other. And the authors of a mass murder that staggers imagination, still. You would think, then, that where they are invoked to draw a parallel or make a point, it would be done with a respect for the incalculable evil the Nazis represent. You would think people would tread carefully, not because of the potential insult to a given politician (they are big boys and girls) but because to do otherwise profanes the profound and renders trivial that which ought to be held sacred by anyone who regards himself as a truly human being. But in modern America, unfortunately, rhetoric often starts over the top and goes up from there. So fine, George W. Bush is ``a smirking chimp.'' Fine, Barack Obama is ``a Chicago thug.'' We have a Constitution, after all, and it says we can say whatever we want. It doesn't say it has to be intelligent. Historical amnesia And yes, you are even protected if you liken Obama or Bush to Hitler. Yet every time I hear that, it makes me cringe for what it says about our collective propensity for historical amnesia and our retarded capacity for reverence. Once upon a lifetime ago, six million people with DNA, names and faces just like you and I, were butchered with gleeful sadism and mechanistic dispatch. Six million people. You and I may no longer respect one another, but is it asking too much that we still respect them? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Here is a link to the Miami Herald.
25 comments from 12 users
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posted by
sagefever
on Aug 25, 2009 at 11:32 AM
posted by
FloridaStateGrad
on Aug 25, 2009 at 11:35 AM
posted by
sagefever
on Aug 25, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Nazi is just one variation in the " I can shout longer and make you mad as a wet hen quicker than you can do same to me" game. That type of "debate" has ruined the country.
posted by
ronmexico
on Aug 25, 2009 at 11:44 AM
It always amazes me how quickly someone will use "NazI" to define anything they disagree with. Whats even more amazing is that the "someone" you mention happen to be the Speaker of the House and the Senate Majority Leader.....Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid...Some say Harry might be looking for a job soon. posted by
sagefever
on Aug 25, 2009 at 11:47 AM
posted by
FloridaStateGrad
on Aug 25, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Ron - I don't support Pelosi or Reid.
I think the people who call Obama a Nazi and/or compare him to Hitler are just as idiotic as those who compared Bush to Hitler. posted by
CatherineBaker
on Aug 25, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Well, if there's a bright side it's that the ACTUAL Neo-Nazis in this country (of which there are many) must be getting really sick of having their name cheapened and associated with just regular folk. To quote Karl Quandt, "It's enough to make me ashamed to be a neo-Nazi." http://www.theonion.com/con... PS--Leonard Pitts is wonderful. : ) posted by
sagefever
on Aug 25, 2009 at 11:56 AM
LOL~ Karl has it right! *Someone* could have fun with that video about ominous music over at the Onion....but I fear some on this site would react like the listeners of the War of the Worlds radio broadcast. Still would be fun... posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Aug 25, 2009 at 12:05 PM
Great article. All too often I hear terms like Nazi, fascist, socialist misused by people merely wanting to insult the person they're arguing with. posted by
Shwaine
on Aug 25, 2009 at 12:12 PM
There is a reason "Godwin's Law" was a term coined early on in the days of Usenet by techies. It's the same reason techie forums still call people on it today. There was a quick realization that people would try to make faulty comparisons to Hitler, hence the primary corollary to Godwin's Law which states such a person has lost the debate by making the faulty comparison. Too bad that the tendancy to call people on this has not spread much beyond the techies. posted by
CatherineBaker
on Aug 25, 2009 at 12:13 PM
posted by
witbee
on Aug 25, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Actually, I think the article is silly. Yeah, I agree peole throw around the word "Nazi" way too much, but the caller on the show was making the comparison to what Hitler did when he came to power and to what Obama is doing. No one is saying Obama is ripping up babies (not the outside the womb, anyway). They are seeing a correlation in tactics betwwn a young Nazi Party and a young Obama Party. Again, I don't agree, but I think his example is way off. posted by
middlepathII
on Aug 25, 2009 at 12:51 PM
When people quote six million, they are giving the Nazis a pass. The Nazi butcher bill probably exceeds twenty million, and that's not counting their own soldiers and the great armies of men that were lost opposing them. About sixty million people (give or take another ten million) died around the world during the war. So yeah, it really irks me when somebody call someone a Nazi or compares today's laws and practices to Nazi war crimes. When you consider the world population was much less from 1932-1945, then you get a real scope for how significant the Nazis were. Today's conflicts, policies and agendas have nothing on the Nazis. Why don't we just call bad policies just that? No need for hyperbole. posted by
ronmexico
on Aug 25, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Remember, there was never supposed to be a public debate about health care. Obama wanted a bill on his desk before the August recess, remember that? There was never supposed to be any public input. Pelosi and Reid were supposed to take the bills written by the SEIU and Acorn, resolve the differences and have it on his desk by the August recess. The Blue Dogs didn't like the smell of that and started dragging their feet. Then it was time for the August recess, and the Democrats just figured the town hall meetings would be love fest of their constituents telling them what wonderful people they were. The democrat leadership was so tone deaf, they had no idea how much the american people hated them for taking them for granted. Then to top things off, the Dem leadership started calling the opposition "nazi's" and "brownshirts", rather than LISTENING to them. posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Aug 25, 2009 at 01:32 PM
"Remember, there was never supposed to be a public debate about health care." How do you figure? It was discussed at length in the media, Obama even did a prime time broadcast. If you mean there was no plan for Americans to shout at each other then no, they didn't plan for that. There's not much point in having town hall meetings where people's main goal is to spread misinformation like death panels, death books, forced euthanasia, or just go to complain about the Democrats being in charge. It wasn't the Blue Dogs that slowed everything down, it's the for-profit insurance industry that is paying them off with huge campaign donations and massive lobbying efforts.
posted by
sagefever
on Aug 25, 2009 at 02:08 PM
"You would think people would tread carefully, not because of the potential insult to a given politician (they are big boys and girls) but because to do otherwise profanes the profound and renders trivial that which ought to be held sacred by anyone who regards himself as a truly human being." That sentence, with clarification,is the point. I hope the visuals aide in understanding. When one engages in using things like this in public debate it does nothing to advance the conversation.
posted by
catpaw
on Aug 25, 2009 at 04:45 PM
It can demoralize one when such name-calling is slung. Makes one feel like a sane person among lunatics. I still like to think that reasonable minds will eventually prevail. posted by
drilnliftcrude
on Aug 25, 2009 at 05:30 PM
posted by
sagefever
on Aug 25, 2009 at 06:01 PM
Got white robes and a pointy hat dril? I did not think so ~ and you know my style. I try to refrain from name calling~ even after some oil field analogy that is not so flatering has been said to me. :-) But then I never said all folks on my side behave~ nor do all folks on your side. "Side" being Americans one and all. posted by
FloridaStateGrad
on Aug 26, 2009 at 07:15 AM
I'm sure there are a few members of the Klan on this website. The local chapter would be stupid not to have a few eyes around this place.. posted by
defyinggravity
on Aug 26, 2009 at 09:58 AM
Thank you, THANK YOU! for posting this! I can not express how angry I was when some idiotic woman wrote some stupid "essay" and read it at the townhall in Lake Isabella; comparing this to Nazi Germany. I mean, did ANYONE else pay attention in history class? This is NOTHING like Nazi germany. Nothing. And Neither is Obama Hitler. Hitler was a great orator. (Sorry couldn't help myself.) I can understand to a certain degree where they get these ideas. They're just tiny steps. Because hitler wasn't just hitler over night. There was a gradual progression to his iconic self. So I "get" where they're coming from. But on the same note I think they're being ridiculous. Even my mother has bought in to this propaganda and even had the gall to say to me that he was "reincarnated" hitler. I was like 'WHAT!? Where the hell did you get that? Have you been watching fox news?" She tried to clarify by saying that he was trying to push things through without letting anyone read it. You mean... Like any other bill/law ever? Anyway... I think once we're being divided up in to camps or have to wear distinguishing symbols to classify who we are or when we go on global conquest will I even remotely begin to see the corralation. Does anyone else remember that lovely bill called the "patriot act?" Does anyone remember how QUICKLY that went through? Cause I don't remember. Were there townhalls then? posted by
learnem
on Aug 26, 2009 at 10:01 AM
posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Aug 26, 2009 at 10:13 AM
Well, it's pretty obvious you don't teach history learnem. You do know that hitler was to the right of conservatives don't you? Anyone that attempts to call Obama anything close to hitler is just ignorant or at the very least mentally unstable. posted by
learnem
on Aug 26, 2009 at 10:16 AM
posted by
sagefever
on Aug 26, 2009 at 12:37 PM
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