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Comair A Tragic Result Of Complacency?
“Ok, let’s see if we can get this overloaded mother off the ground!” It was an open mic gaffe by a pilot at LAX unwittingly transmitted to the passengers in the plane. It doesn’t take any imagination to understand how the passengers felt about the pilot’s assessment of the situation in which they were helplessly at his mercy.
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posted by
tonyh
on Aug 28, 2006 at 12:56 PM
Periodaclly, we need to step back, take another look and say "Hey wait a minute". "Is this REALLY what we want to do?" posted by
samheath
on Aug 28, 2006 at 01:01 PM
Especially when lives, if not your own, hang in the balance. Wonder why our leaders don't seem to consider this. posted by
anonymous
on Aug 28, 2006 at 02:05 PM
These crashes happening with more frequency is not surprising these are direct results of the dumbing down of air traffic controllers by Ronald Reagan and continuing until the present.
When Reagan fired the controllers and replaced by rightwing clones, years of expertise was thown out the window and never replaced. But what the hell, this is just republiken deregulation in action, we deserve this for being so stupid as to be duped by the conservative Christain free enterprise wing of the republiken party. posted by
TomW
on Aug 28, 2006 at 02:26 PM
Anon: You're right about Reagan's union busting of the control operators. It made air travel a lot less safe. And I think you see a lot of Republican party planning at work in Iraq, the Katrina aftermath etc. Let me just say something about the "conservative christian free enterprise wing of the republiken party." There are a lot of Republicans of all sorts of stripes, and a lot of uncomfortable bedfellows on their side. But one of the best ways to keep them together is by lumping them all together and attacking them. posted by
robbwillis
on Aug 28, 2006 at 03:50 PM
posted by
samheath
on Aug 28, 2006 at 04:24 PM
Parenthetical (at the time).
posted by
editortr
on Aug 28, 2006 at 04:42 PM
On Thursday morning, March 23, 1989 I was one of a handful of passengers on American Airlines 508 from Houston Hobby to DFW - the first leg of a connection back into Bakersfield. I had arrived at the airport a full two hours ahead of my scheduled departure because I was worried about traffic on the Houston freeways during the morning commute. American told me that they had an earlier flight - 508 - and I was welcome to go to Dallas early if I wanted to.
As I sat in the boarding area waiting for the announcement, I overheard a maintenance mechanic talking to the pilot about a communications door latch problem - that's the little door on the bottom of the fuselage the ground crew uses to talk to the flight crew. The pilot was distracted by the minor maintenance annoyance and concerned that it was going to delay his departure. I didn't hear the outcome of the discussion but when they announced boarding, I figured they had worked it out and promptly forgot about it. As the MD80 taxied, the pilot came on the intercom and said we were first for takeoff and we were about to take off. The plane made a sharp right turn and picked up speed. All of a sudden there was a sharp rotation - we literally leaped into the air with a tremendously loud "BANG" from beneath the plane. I'd had it happen to me before - it sounded like we blew some tires on the sudden and seemingly severe rotation. The flight was otherwise normal - in a little over an hour we were approaching DFW - the pilot, again on the intercom, said that he may have blown some tires on takeoff (told you so) and that emergency vehicles would greet us on the runway - not to be alarmed, it was just routine. However, we landed on one of the main runways at DFW - landing to the south, just east of the American gates and STOPPED in the middle of the active runway. In several million miles of domestic airline flying, I had never experienced anything like that - nobody ever just stops on the primary active runway. It took more than an hour to tow us to the gate and all the passengers were rushed off to connecting flights - American never said anything to us. I didn't learn until arriving home in Bakersfield that American 508 took off on the wrong runway - a general aviation runway under construction at the time with a steel guardrail barrier stretched across it halfway down. We hit the barrier on takeoff and literally destroyed it - the oak posts were shattered and the steel rails were twisted and bent. I have no idea why I am still alive. I learned about it by seeing the story on the CBS evening news - there was video of the damaged barrier and the plane sitting on the runway at DFW waiting to be towed. I jumped out of my chair and told my family that I had been on that plane - they blew me off assuming I was just joking - but I wasn't. That was video of Amercan 508 and I had been one of the passengers. I wrote an angry letter to American - we passengers were never given any information - there were no emergency landing procedures provided. They knew for more than an hour that the plane may have suffered severe damage to its landing gear and that the landing gear could have collapsed on landing at DFW. Yet, nobody said anything to the passengers. In my opinion, they were pretty damned cavalier about our lives. In response, American Airlines sent me a voucher good for $250 toward the purchase of a future ticket along with a lame excuse that they were just following FAA procedures, or something like that. I still have the unused voucher - it expired about a year later. As I said earler, and given what happened in Lexington, Kentucky - I have no idea why I'm still alive. posted by
samheath
on Aug 28, 2006 at 05:13 PM
A novel I read years ago, Fate Is the Hunter, tells of the extraordinary chain of circumstances that leads up to a nearly disastrous airplane crash, and a film followed the novel. Individually the problems with the aircraft did not pose a danger, but the cumulative effect nearly doomed the aircraft. A friend of mine witnessed the doomed aircraft at Port Hueneme. Lack of proper maintenance. Having worked in aerospace and places like North American and Douglas (before it became MacDouglas) to name just two I witnessed "shortcuts" in manufacture, none posing a danger by themselves, but the possibility of catastrophic failure, like that of the two space shuttles, due to an accumulation of "shortcuts" or just plain stupidity or incompetence is always possible.
And pilots do sometimes take shortcuts, and some do become complacent. No one knows why some live and some die, why you survived. But the kind of complacency I mention I know from personal experience is always a danger and most pilots have their "hanger stories" that don't make it out to the general public. posted by
Glocker
on Aug 28, 2006 at 07:58 PM
These are the only statistics that I could find for crashes caused by air traffic controllers. There may be more but none that I could find. How does this become Reagan’s fault? From what I can see there has been only one that fits. Not to bad of a record. Where do you get "these are happening with more frequency" from. Pilot error, mechanical error, yes. But air traffic control? I may be wrong but I would like to see some facts to back that claim other than you did not like Reagan. Pen Central Air Eastern / Aviaco Prinair Faucett Aeroflot Delta/North Central Aeroflot / Aeroflot Inex / British AW Aeroflot Aeroflot USAir/Skywest SAM Aviation Dev. Corp. Garuda Indonesian AL
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