On top of the ageism and anti-Christian intolerance shown by this group.  Another group attacked the services of a Michigan state Church and promise more.  They are sure not helping there cause any.  Terrorism tends to create more support for the victims and steels the resolve of the community not to be forced.

 http://www.lifesitenews.com...

Get a room Wayfarer and Sioux!

I am not a little old lady [edit.]husband matireal. 

...but,but her my-space blog says she heard God tell her not to file..

""Friday, November 14, 2008

Repentence

11/14/2008      6:52 am

This is regarding the Palm Springs Village Fest March

I carried the cross and a message: Shake the Hate out of 8.  As I approached the crowd, a big tough biker that told me he was homosexual said to me, "I am so sorry what I did to you.  Can you forgive me?"  And then he not only asked for forgiveness for himself, but he then said, "can you forgive what we all did to you?  You had every right to be there and do what you did."  I told him that I love him, I forgive you, and I forgive all of you.  I knew that by doing this God's love would flow to and through us.  And at that instant of forgiveness, I knew that he was sincere, and that there was a lot of sorry.  And because of that forgiveness, and because I want God's love to reach all of us, I am announcing that I WILL NOT PRESS CHARGES for what they did to me; I forgive them.  I will not press charges and I believe I'm doing what Christ did for us on the cross by saying, "Father forgive them; they know not what they do."  All of us have sinned and come short of the glory of God, and that includes me and I work on it everyday.""

Sage, who are we to deny Sioux his constitutional right to plagerize out of date propaganda from his favorite right wing websites?

Well....I 'd hate to stop anybody from doing that...but I am just a confused seeker of truth.

Plus the nut in me loved what she said....agree with her personal system of belief or not,less court time and more forgiveness is quite admirable.

The Yes on 8 propaganda machine is going strong already. I hope the people fighting this measure are willing to fight for what they want. Because if the commercials seen on television during the campaign are any indication, there is no level low enough for these people to go.

She will be with her god sometime during the next decade probably and she will be happy and in bliss forever and ever.

I don't recall it being the Pro-Marriage majority that assaulted a 51 year old man in Bakersfield, a women in her 60's in Palm Springs, disrupted Church services in Lansing, Michigan, assaulted a Latino Prop 8 worker and stole his signs, hurled racial slurs at blacks including those who were gay themselves, and vandalized property all over California.  The anti-marriage crowd is leading the pack in new lows;P 

Well, Wayfarer, here is an example of bad "Yes on 8" behavior.

http://vimeo.com/2053489?pg...

Isn't it interesting that the conservatives defend Ken Mettler who waded into a group of peaceful demonstrators and decked one, but revile the gay people who allegedly hurt this woman.  For me there can be no double standard.  Mettler AND these gay protestors should both face charges.  It doesn't matter what the political justification is. 

It is wrong to defend the indefensible just because you happen to agree with certain political views.  I am especially pointing fingers at those who wrote that more people should do what Mettler did.   There is no way to justify attacking anyone, no matter which side of the political spectrum one finds onesself. 

Mettler was wrong.  These protestors were wrong.  Violence is always wrong in the pursuit of democratic solutions. 

Wow Bro! That's truly unreal. I guess this shows that there is quite a bit of hostility on both sides of this issue.

Mettler was justifiable self defense ,because the video clearly shows him under threat of immanent physical harm from a angry mob while trying to recover signs they have stolen.  The only double standard is that the people who were claiming to be victims of hate, intolerance and denial of there civil rights are doing a good job of inflicting the same on any one who doesn't agree with them. 

I hope like hell she files a lawsuit.

It will be easy enough to find the disabled man she knocked down when she pushed her way through the crowd and the witnesses who saw her do it.

Mettler was justifiable self defense ,because the video clearly shows him under threat of immanent physical harm from a angry mob while trying to recover signs they have stolen. 

There you go again, lying your [edit.]off.

Some Christian you are.

Nice.  I think I've seen these chicks' ancestors before.  They really remind me of somebody...hmmm....

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

right down to the beards.

TsM you have made the same statement several times and have been challenged to provide a creditable link.  Which you have refused to do.  I think it is you my friend, it is who is being dishonest.

     TsM's dishonesty leads into my questions about Gophers video.  Unlike the ones that others have posted that came from verifiable sources.  This one doesn't show who covered the camera and we have only the persons word for what occurred.  Given the low morality being exhibited by the anti-marriage crowd; we wouldn't be out of place to wonder if that video is just disinformation. 

The only double standard is that the people who were claiming to be victims of hate, intolerance and denial of there civil rights are doing a good job of inflicting the same on any one who doesn't agree with them.

First off, I think you should turn that back on the Yes on 8 group Wayfarer. I've seen the comments here, both from Pro and Against. And I'm sorry to say that the ones who are for Prop 8 seemed to have been practically frothing at the mouth with their vitriol. You speak of Mettler being "justified" in his actions. What business did he have going among those people in the first place?

Mettler was justifiable self defense ,because the video clearly shows him under threat of immanent physical harm from a angry mob while trying to recover signs they have stolen.

Signs they have stolen? Judging from the video, the only signs Mettler was carrying were "NO on 8" signs. So I guess this means HE is the one who was committing theft.

Gopherbro~ that was terrible..

I'm with Whitney on this one~ resorting to violence during protests is wrong,period. As some one said earlier "keep plenty of air between opposing sides"

Mystral, I haven't seen the Mettler video but did read that he was trying to retrieve defaced Yes on 8 signs. I came to the street-corner rally the following week and saw what he was talking about.

Anyway, about the No on 8 folks who want the Hollywood elites to spring their obscene mammon for another run on this issue two years from now, they better think twice about their prospects of winning. Didn't the Arizona voter ban same-sex marriage this election cycle after approving it a couple of years ago? Perhaps more folks wised up to the militant gay agenda.

Mettler was right to defend himself. This lady was right to to peacefully demonstrate. Both were willing to put themselves in harms way to exercise their rights. That is admirable.

Militant gay agenda? Yeah, okay. I guess if my rights were being taken away, I'd get pretty militant too, as would anyone else. As for you feeling gay people shouldn't have the right to marry because you feel it's obscene, it's your right to feel the way you do, but it is NOT your right to discriminate against a group of people with regard to what their rights should be. And, for your viewing, here's the link to the video I spoke of:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

He isn't carrying ANY yes on 8 signs, it strictly shows No on 8.

Dang Way ... I love the way how you judge "they" as all anti 8 people. I was strongly against 8 but please don't lump me with "they"

Given the low morality being exhibited by the anti-marriage crowd

The anti-marriage crowd is leading the pack in new lows

Using your "logic" if the actions of a very few dictate the image of the rest then all Catholics must be pedophiles right? Since your "few" priests practice that. Dang I didn't know all Catholics must be sick?

 these gay protestors should both face charges

Uh oh, HM might be going to the pokey.

Your argument is a hyperbole Junkie.  I did not say all anti-marriage crowd, did I?  So your attempt at an anthology is ridicules;P 

Whether or not Mettler was exercising self-defense is immaterial. 

As a teacher in the high school district, I have seen kids get jumped and NOT fight back, taking a beating to try to stay enrolled.  Mettler has served on the boards hearing those cases and STILL expelled those kids.   So it's ok for him to fight back, but not for the students he regulates.   

A helluva role model.  Do as I say, not as I do. 

mystral are you even from california?? the no on 8 signs were black and the yes on 8 signs were yelllow..they defaced the yes on 8 sings to make it read No..the letters were white..they went over it with black

try being a wee more informed next time you feel the need to argue a point you know nothing about.

GOPH..get a new tune..your song is getting old..

HM dont you have anymore old ladies to beat up down there in Palm Springs

the fact Mettler was just trying to retrieve his signs and at first they were being agreeable..then some one started instigating from the back ground any one would have been intimidated and put on the defensive..if you say you wouldnt have been then you are lying..he had a right to defend himself..

I agree with whitney ..violence is not the answer..that type of childish stupidity needs to stop..if you want to protest do it like Rev King did with dignity...violence will serve your cause no good..

Militant gay agenda: Definition. A term coined by fundamentalists to describe the people they are seeking to rob of citizenship rights.  

The key words are "Militant" and "Agenda" and are used in the form:

"Militant [fill in group name] Agenda."

Recent applications of "Militant Gay Agenda" that have been considered a stretch of the imagination by rational thinkers include the minor jostling of a woman in Palm Springs who was engaged in a Militant Fundamentalist Christian Agenda. The woman allegedly sought out and injected herself into the midst of about 400 gays who were grief-stricken over having their rights eliminated. Not being satisfied with the public humiliation gays endured at the hands of voters, the woman injected herself into their midst to heap more humiliation on them and was yelled at and jostled by the group.

Some are comparing her actions to the Rev. Fred Phelps who is well-know for injecting himself into the midst of grieving families at military funerals to heap condemnation on the deceased. Indeed, it was at precisely the earliest opportunity she could find - a candlelight vigil held in Palm Springs to console and reassure grieving gays - that this woman hurled herself so has to make certain she caught the gay people at their worst moment of pain in order to heap condemnation.

The Rev. Fred Phelps of Westboro Baptist Church and GodHates[edit.] fame has reportedly offered encouragement to the woman and vowed to join in heaping more grief. Phelps's family was present in Palm Springs most recently during the Nov 1 Pride parade, an event he and family have picketed for the past five years. They are noted for the persistent condemnation of homosexuals and gained national and international fame for picketing the funeral of Matthew Sheppard, a gay man who was beaten to death and left handing on a fence in remote Wyoming.

You don't get expelled for fighting. Unless you nearly kill someone. That is not self defense.

And if you are being attacked by an angry mob, you better fight back.

Sorry Way quick grade school grammar lesson

The anti-marriage crowd is leading the pack in new lows (means all)

This anti-marriage crowd is leading the pack in new lows (means a specific group)

Example

Remember the wack job that burned a B on her cheek. The McCain supporter??

would I have said

The McCain supporters are leading the pack in new lows or would I say

This McCain supporter is leading the pack in new lows?

I didn't use This ,because then I would have made the mistake you accuse me of in generalizing a whole subset of those who oppose the marriage standard.  I realize that there are many different groups and individuals that oppose Prop 8 for different reasons.  Some merely out of well meaning ingnorance.  The ones we are discussing on this blog are the ones who do things like attack little old ladies. 

So [edit.]Husband Material are you condoning violence on Phelps and his group.  In this country even the KKK and Nationalist Socialist Party are expected to be able to march with out violent reprisal.

Way your funny I like you :)

So [edit.]Husband Material are you condoning violence on Phelps and his group.  In this country even the KKK and Nationalist Socialist Party are expected to be able to march with out violent reprisal.

You're the only one looney enough to suggest such an absurdity, Way. I don't condone violence of any kind and I DO think it's appropriate that the US Congress and President Bush (who signed the bill) passed a law to forbid Phelps and his family from descending on grief-stricken families and cursing their dead.  Don't you agree with that action?

I wish you could have been in Palm Springs to see what happened and then, for ONCE, we'd have a witness from the looney right bear witness to all the sadness and upset and you, yourself would have seen how distraught people were.  And you yourself could have seen that this was no time to inject yourself into the middle of everyone grief to give a sermon on the wickedness of homosexuality.  It was as near a funeral atmosphere as it could possible get without a dead body. But there were certainly a lot of defeated, hurting people gathered there and it was (how to say it nicely) "inappropriate" for Mrs. Burgess to take the opportunity to clobber people while they were already so down-hearted. What kind of Christian is that?  I may be an atheist but I STILL believe in the goodness of Christian people.

And thus I drew the parallel to Rev. Phelps. Mrs. Burgess did *exactly* what Phelps does at military funerals and she STILL doesn't think it was inappropriate.  Yes. The KKK and the skinheads have their rights but WHO expect THEM to show a little consideration.  We ALL still expect REAL Christians to not kick people when they're already down and hurting.

Ray did one little old lady scare you that much? 

Scared is not the appropriate word but I'm not surprised to see YOU distort the atmosphere like that. You've done it so many times and in so many ways, it's just become the mark your twisted view of the world.

Beaten. Defeated. Demoralized. Distraught. Hurting.  Those are the emotions that were the most OBVIOUS at the vigil.

 I'll put it like this (and I mean this HYPOTHETICALLY, not seriously, just so your small mind understands I posing it as a mental/rhetorical exercise and not serious). Next time one of your most cherished family members passes away, I'll contact Fred Phelps and tell him that person was a big mucky-muck homosexual-loving big-shot from Bakersfield and that he ought to show up and condemn them to hell in front of your very face and THEN let's see how strong your faith is.  THEN we will if YOU are "scared".  As Phelps stands there and calls your family member an America-hating whore-monger, lets see if "scared" is the emotion that come to YOUR mind as Phelps lavishes condemnation on you and your family at the moment of your most bottomless grief.  Let's do that as a test to see if YOU feel like running away screaming in fear. Then YOU tell US if "scared" comes to mind in such a situation.

I think both sides for the most part agree that we all need to listen to Christ and put away our swords. Whether you like it or not, we are all God's children and we will be held accountable for the way we live our lives. I just wish the No on 8 folks would realize that the Yes on 8 folks generally do love the other side, to the point that they care about being their keeper for the sake of their eternal salvation.

Don't take offense if we love the sinners but hate the sins. After all, St. Paul told us that love is fulfillment of the law, echoing Christ's words that the two greatest commandments -- to love God and to love our neighbors as we love ourselves -- are rooted in the Ten Commandments. What the Yes on 8 folks are trying to tell the No on 8 folks is that we don't want same-sex marriage. It is an abomination just as much as man marrying several wives, which to this day still happens in some third-world countries. We are fighting what we believe in our hearts to be wrong, whether or not for religious reasons. One doesn't need to be religious to see the harmful effects of polygamy and/or same-sex marriage. Let's build up this great institution that has always been understood to be between one man and one woman even before governments came into being; not tear it down.

Ray why do you keep trying to hijack the blog.  The subject is the little old lady whom was victmised and not Phelps.  Also personal attacks on me don't help your case any ,they just show you can not make a rational argument and so you try to hit below the belt.

Ppopgun I agree with you accept the polgamy part.  Polygamy is not acceptible in our culture nor is it acceptible for any Christians.  But it is not on the same level as homosexuality which is just a denial of the natrual order of things. 

Wayfarer, that could be the case. While Christ did have a problem with the Samaritan woman at the watering well for having had multiple husbands/boyfriends, he thirsted not only for water but for her repentance, while letting her know that he could provide the living water if she would change her ways and come to him. But in the case of Sodom and Gomorrah, that's another story.

At any rate, our beef is with Satan for seeking the ruin of souls among our brothers and sisters. And we'd be held just as accountable for their sins, if not more so, if we don't do anything about it.

If she does end up pressing charges then she will at least be using the courts as they were intended to be used, and not to press some social agenda.