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siouxcityranch - > -> Some predicted trouble from Fort Hood's Maj. Hasan
Some predicted trouble from Fort Hood's Maj. Hasan

FORT HOOD, Texas – In retrospect, the signs of Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's growing anger over the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan seem unmistakable. But even people who worried his increasingly strident views were clouding his ability to serve the U.S. military could not predict the murderous rampage of which he now stands accused.

In the months leading to Thursday's shooting spree that left 13 people dead and 29 others wounded, Hasan raised eyebrows with comments that the war on terror was "a war on Islam" and wrestled with what to tell fellow Muslim solders who had their doubts about fighting in Islamic countries.

"The system is not doing what it's supposed to do," said Dr. Val Finnell, who complained to administrators at a military university about what he considered Hasan's "anti-American" rants. "He at least should have been confronted about these beliefs, told to cease and desist, and to shape up or ship out."

Finnell studied with Hasan from 2007-2008 in the master's program in public health at the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., where Hasan persistently complained about perceived anti-Muslim sentiment in the military and injected his politics into courses where they had no place.

"In retrospect, I'm not surprised he did it," Finnell said of the shootings. "I had real questions about what his priorities were, what his beliefs were."

Hasan, who was shot by civilian police and taken into custody, was in intensive care but breathing on his own late Saturday at an Army hospital in San Antonio. Officials refused to say if he was talking to investigators.

At least 17 victims remained hospitalized with gunshot wounds, and nine were in intensive care late Saturday. On Sunday, numerous church services honoring the victims were planned both on the post and in neighboring Killeen.

Military criminal investigators continue to refer to Hasan as the only suspect in the shootings but won't say when charges would be filed. "We have not established a motive for the shootings at this time," said Army Criminal Investigative Command spokesman Chris Grey.

A government official speaking on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to discuss the case said an initial review of Hasan's computer use has found no evidence of links to terror groups, or anyone who might have helped plan or push him toward the shooting attack. The review of Hasan's computer is continuing and more evidence could emerge, the source said.

Hasan likely would face military justice rather than federal criminal charges if investigators determine the violence was the work of just one person.

Hasan's family described a man incapable of the attack, calling him a devoted doctor and devout Muslim who showed no signs that he might lash out.

"I've known my brother Nidal to be a peaceful, loving and compassionate person who has shown great interest in the medical field and in helping others," said his brother, Eyad Hasan, of Sterling, Va., in a statement. "He has never committed an act of violence and was always known to be a good, law-abiding citizen."

Still, in the days since authorities believe Hasan fired more than 100 rounds in a soldier processing center at Fort Hood in the worst mass shooting on a military facility in the U.S., a picture has emerged of a man who was forcefully opposed to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, was trying to elude his pending deployment to Afghanistan and had struggled professionally in his work as an Army psychiatrist.

"I told him, `There's something wrong with you,'" Osman Danquah, co-founder of the Islamic Community of Greater Killeen, told The Associated Press on Saturday. "I didn't get the feeling he was talking for himself, but something just didn't seem right."

Danquah assumed the military's chain of command knew about Hasan's doubts, which had been known for more than a year to classmates at the Maryland graduate military medical program. His fellow students complained to the faculty about Hasan's "anti-American propaganda," but said a fear of appearing discriminatory against a Muslim student kept officers from filing a formal complaint.

Others recalled a pleasant neighbor who forgave a fellow soldier charged with tearing up his "Allah is Love" bumper sticker. A superior officer at Darnall Army Medical Center at Fort Hood, Col. Kimberly Kesling, has said Hasan was quiet with a strong work ethic who provided excellent care for his patients.

Twice this summer, Danquah said, Hasan asked him what to tell soldiers who expressed misgivings about fighting fellow Muslims. The retired Army first sergeant and Gulf War veteran said he reminded Hasan that these soldiers had volunteered to fight, and that Muslims were fighting each other in Afghanistan, Pakistan and the Palestinian territories.

"But what if a person gets in and feels that it's just not right?" Danquah recalled Hasan asking him.

"I'd give him my response. It didn't seem settled, you know. It didn't seem to satisfy," he said. "It would be like a person playing the devil's advocate. ... I said, `Look. I'm not impressed by you.'"

Danquah said he was disturbed by Hasan's persistent questioning but never told anyone at the sprawling Army post about the talks, because Hasan never expressed anger toward the Army or indicated any plans for violence.

"If I had an inkling that he had this type of inclination or intentions, definitely I would have brought it to their attention," he said.

Hasan was promoted from captain to major in 2008, the same year he graduated from the master's program. Bernard Rostker, a military personnel expert at the Rand Corp., said a shortage of officers and psychiatrists meant Hasan's advancement was all but certain absent a serious blemish on his record, such as a DUI or a drug charge.

Hasan reportedly jumped up on a desk and shouted "Allahu akbar!" — Arabic for "God is great!" — at the start of Thursday's attack.

"Hopefully, they can put together the pieces and find out what in the world was in his mind and why he went crazy," Danquah said. "Aaaaah, it's sad. Those soldiers could have been my soldiers."

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Associated Press Writers Allen Breed in Killeen, Dalia Nammari in Ramallah, West Bank, and Devlin Barrett, Richard Lardner, Pamela Hess and Jessica Gresko in Washington, D.C., contributed to this report.

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posted by drilnliftcrude on Nov 8, 2009 at 07:02 AM

This is what everyone *but* Fox News will report.

 FORT HOOD, Texas - As authorities dig deeper into the possible motives behind the Ft. Hood massacre, a picture is emerging of a garden-variety US soldier who found the conflict between his desire to serve his country and the natural fear of combat just too hard to reconcile, causing him to snap. Investigators are now discounting earlier, unconfirmed, reports of 85 eyewitnesses who said they heard Major Nidal Malik Hasan cry "Allahu Akbar!" before going on his shooting rampage, killing thirteen and wounding 30 more. They now believe Hasan, an atheist of Iranian-Jewish descent, was actually shouting "Oy Vey Halvah," and amid the ensuing panic and confusion the phrase was misinterpreted by scores of combat-ready soldiers. MSNBC's Rachel Maddow quotes the FBI agent in charge of the inquiry, Ahmed Faisal, as saying, "we are now confident that Hasan's faith played absolutely no ole in his state of mind leading up to this tragedy. End of subject." Off camera, Maddow, not realizing her mic was on, was heard telling colleague Chris Mathews, "see, what [the] hell did I tell you?"

Asked for his comments on the FBI's findings, President - wait for it - Barack Hussein Obama told reporters, "see, what [the] hell did I tell you?"

posted by drilnliftcrude on Nov 8, 2009 at 07:10 AM

"His fellow students complained to the faculty about Hasan's "anti-American propaganda," but said a fear of appearing discriminatory against a Muslim student kept officers from filing a formal complaint."

The families of the victims wish to thank all those bleeding heart liberals without whom we would not have this glorious atmosphere of political correctness.

 

posted by NancyII on Nov 8, 2009 at 07:18 AM

And so it goes.  13 dead and 39 wounded and part of the blame goes to tippy toeing around when it comes to Islamism.  If you think religion played no part in this you're sadly mistaken.  It may not have had anything to do with the man himself but being afraid of being accused of discrimination and not reporting the behavior of a mentally disturbed person is outrageous.

Where was Homeland Security?  Where were the kind snitches like the ones who reported the elderly gentleman here for saying he'd take out the presdident?  Oh yeah, he was a normal white male so it's ok to turn him in.   Talk about discrimination.

posted by siouxcityranch on Nov 8, 2009 at 07:19 AM

well given the fact the prez is treating this so lightly..I feel he is going out of his way  to not ruffle muslim feathers at home or abroad..I knew his ties to their faith would interfere with due process at some point in time..hes distancing himself so he wont get any fall out but his non chalaunt attitude is proving where his loyalties really lie..he cant walk the fence forever..someday hes gonna have to jump off on one side or the other..

posted by Lingtaowoo on Nov 8, 2009 at 07:28 AM

The man just blew a fuse---just like everyone else are blowing their fuses around the country...too much is being read into this..just because of his faith....


posted by catpaw on Nov 8, 2009 at 07:28 AM

Nobody anticipates a field grade officer (rank major and above) and a doctor yet to snap and go postal. I doubt we'll ever know exactly what went through this guy's mind or what his motives were. I hope this sad incident will be regarded as the act of a lone nut and eventually be put in the past.  

posted by drilnliftcrude on Nov 8, 2009 at 07:37 AM

Yeah, let's put this whole inconveniance in the past.

Now, if he had been Christian, and his victims were abortion clinic workers, we would want to keep that story going.

posted by siouxcityranch on Nov 8, 2009 at 07:41 AM

catpaw  I hope this sad incident will be regarded as the act of a lone nut and eventually be put in the past.  

oh im sure it will..the powers that be DO NOT want people thinking it was terrorist related..not when he was integrated that deep into our armed forces..

1) they dont want to give them the credit thereby acknowledging they put one over on us like the twin towers..

2) they dont want to start a panic.

posted by drilnliftcrude on Nov 8, 2009 at 07:42 AM

I hear the Arbitrater in Chief will be going to Ft Hood on Tuesday to conduct a beer summit and smooth this little misunderstanding all out.

posted by NancyII on Nov 8, 2009 at 07:49 AM

For my part, I didn't say his faith or lack of had anything to do with HIS going round the bend.  This is what I'm talking about.

"His fellow students complained to the faculty about Hasan's "anti-American propaganda," but said a fear of appearing discriminatory against a Muslim student kept officers from filing a formal complaint."

It's us as a people who are so afraid of offending someone that make me angry.  In THAT sense yes, religion played a part in the tragedy.  If people hadn't been sooooo PC  things might have had a different ending.   We'll never know now tho will we?

I hope the people who shoved his actions under the rug in the name of *fear of seeming discriminatory*  won't be so PC if they see anyone with anti American activities again.  A lesson to us all. 

posted by siouxcityranch on Nov 8, 2009 at 07:52 AM

anti-American propaganda = muslim-Terrorist

posted by catpaw on Nov 8, 2009 at 08:07 AM

Well, we have more examples of gun violence by christians killing clinic workers. Life goes on. A nut is a nut is a nut. Unfortunately, the bulk of them have some sort of religious justification. Whether these individuals failed their religion or their religion failed them is a debate not easily resolved. 

The contrast, however, warrants attention. When was the last time a secular-thinking person or "atheist" gunned down pro-life advocates or arson a pro-life church? Manifest Destiny and holy war are not precepts of ungodly atheists. 

I have posed the question why does God, Who created the universe, performed miracles and can pretty much do whatever He wants, need anybody to do His work? Why can't God just zap sinners and make a happy world? Why does He need the devout to kill people for Him? I don't know either. Real brain teaser.   

posted by NancyII on Nov 8, 2009 at 08:13 AM

Catpaw, I'm not sure who you're talking to or if it's just general but my point is still being missed.  It's the political correctness that drives me up the wall.  There were too many red flags that were just ignored that bothers me.

Speaking for myself I KNOW people in other religions commit murder, but there were warning bells on this one that people were afraid to address BECAUSE of his affiliation.   A nut case is a nut case no matter what religion or what their allegience but you don't just ignore them because you're afraid someone will accuse you of discriminating.  How did we get that cowed?.

posted by samheath on Nov 8, 2009 at 08:39 AM

In a politically correct America "Hussein" is going to get his way and stifle any connection to this monster having a "religious motive." As we know, had it been a Caucasian religious fanatic it would provide grist for the liberal mill ad infinitum. So now, we've got an America dancing to the Devil's tune with our President in his pocket to do his bidding. But then again, I'm one of those "cranks" that believe in God and believe there really is a Devil. Easy to write me off.

posted by catpaw on Nov 8, 2009 at 08:47 AM

Nancy, I was reacting to comments that would make a religious argument of the thing.

Yeah, there were signs of concern. But as I said, nobody anticipates a major who is a doctor to go on a shooting spree. Even if he does have personal problems. I recall during my viet duty one guy was put on permanent k.p. duty because he was acting weird. The biggest concern was his constant expression of wanting to "kill a gook." Comrades were uncomfortable about him and took their reservations to superiors. But he wasn't a major or a doctor. And he was a darn good dining room orderly.

The p.c. angle is one aspect that should not have been a factor. This individual's contempories did report the behavior to appropriate superiors. The incident is yet being investigated. Just who dropped the ball remains to be seen. Poor performance doesn't necessairly mean an individual is a poor soldier. Could simply mean he is unsuitable for a particular job. I don't know if this guy appealed to his superiors on grounds of religion or morals. He certainly could have.  

posted by paxchristi3 on Nov 8, 2009 at 09:18 AM

Has anyone heard or read of any Muslim moderates condemning the massacre? I haven't, although I've read accounts of some cheering his actions.

posted by VirgilAnderson on Nov 8, 2009 at 09:24 AM

 

That's because it would not be taken as a religious issue by moderates, Pax.

I wanna know if the guy was taking psychotropics for depression.

--virgil

posted by siouxcityranch on Nov 8, 2009 at 10:50 AM

virgil keep your BS with sam off my blog or i will block you...fair warning..I deleted your post..

posted by siouxcityranch on Nov 8, 2009 at 10:52 AM

virgil  I wanna know if the guy was taking psychotropics for depression.

like that gives him a ticket to do what he did??

posted by VirgilAnderson on Nov 8, 2009 at 11:12 AM

  Sioux,

"virgil keep your BS with sam off my blog or i will block you...fair warning..I deleted your post.."

That response to Sam Heath was to his 8:39 am post - not an attack on his person, whoever that may be.

In all fairness, that post of his (  reflecting an insipid little world view with odd ideas about god and American politics ) is still there, after you deleting my response to it !

--virgil

posted by VirgilAnderson on Nov 8, 2009 at 11:23 AM

  "like that gives him a ticket to do what he did??"

No, but it does give us an alternative to seeing this event narrowly in terms of religious extremism.

The dude went postal - he also happened to have religious sensibilities borne of a different experience of god, who happens to be interpreted, by him, to be the same one we say we worship.

--virgil

posted by pogo on Nov 8, 2009 at 01:05 PM

Obviously his religion had everything to do with him snapping and going on a killing spree. Please tell me where anyone is trying to downplay this? 

Why does this have to be political?

You people on the right are taking a tragedy and making a politial attack on the President out of it.

Shame!

posted by pogo on Nov 8, 2009 at 01:26 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.c...

Maybe this had something to do with it also.

posted by Shwaine on Nov 8, 2009 at 03:31 PM

As I said on another blog, this situation is more complex than "Muslim sleeper agent". There was more at play here than that. While it happened to be a soldier of Middle Eastern ethnicity that snapped this time, there have been smaller incidents of other "red blooded" American soldiers snapping and killing family members and/or themselves. That was part of the motivation behind having PTSD evaluations and treatment before allowing a soldier to go home after deployment. To prevent further such tragedies, the military needs to expand that program to active duty soldiers. There needs to be policies put in place by the military to detect and evaluate activity duty soldiers showing signs of mental instability and hospitalize them if needed, both for the soldier's mental health and the safety of others on base.

posted by paxchristi3 on Nov 8, 2009 at 08:49 PM

It's clear this guy did it in the name of Mohammed. I don't know of a single Christian who does something like this in the name of Christianity in modern times save for the Christian-Protestant strife in Northern Ireland that is now a memory, but the same surely can't be said for the Muslims. There is indeed something inherently wrong with Islam, and it's not just a few crazies doing this. It's systemic enough to make one wonder whether the extremists aren't more than norm than the exception: http://www.wnd.com/index.ph...

posted by catpaw on Nov 9, 2009 at 07:12 AM

Well, pax there are nuts who use violent means to protest abortion clinics and personnel in the name of God. But that's a topic for another debate.

Whatever religious institutions were or are supposed to be, are not. I have quoted the Koran advocating death to "sinners"  as a religious duty.  The Bible also has a number of such passages. My condemnation toward organized religion in general is the acceptance and tolerance of atrocities justified by their faith. Most moslems (and christians, for that matter) preach love, peace, tolerance, charity, and so on and practice it with sincerity. Yet most are strangely silent when extreme barbarity is committed in their name. If moslems rioted over the murder of school children like they did over a newspaper cartoon in Denmark, extremism would diminish. If one accepts silence as consent, my blame is not misplaced.   

posted by ronmexico on Nov 9, 2009 at 07:37 AM

 there have been smaller incidents of other "red blooded" American soldiers snapping and killing family members and/or themselves.

And strangely, none of them screamed "Allah Akhbar" while they were doing it... I guess red blooded terrorists snap differently ....

posted by NancyII on Nov 9, 2009 at 07:45 AM

Didn't the report say he was an atheist?    If he was, why would he say God is Great?  Wasn't there confusion over what he actually said?

"The review of Hasan's computer is continuing and more evidence could emerge, the source said."

"In the months leading to Thursday's shooting spree that left 13 people dead and 29 others wounded, Hasan raised eyebrows with comments that the war on terror was "a war on Islam" and wrestled with what to tell fellow Muslim solders who had their doubts about fighting in Islamic countries."

At this point there are more questions than answers and it sounds to me like people are bringing their own biases into this rather than wait for the facts to emerge.

But, it makes good blog fodder.

posted by paxchristi3 on Nov 9, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Indeed, ronmexico,  the shooter in Orlando didn't scream "La Raza" or "Jesus" during his attack, as a contributor to Politics Daily pointed out in arguing that we all need to be honest about the fact that the Fort Hood killings was done in the name of Islam: http://www.politicsdaily.co...

Although he corrected me about American Muslim organizations being silent about the matter, I'm glad he confirmed my thoughts that more Muslims commit violence in the name of Islam than any other religion, and a great many of their victims are fellow Muslims.

 

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