“It is George Bush’s war, but if we don’t get serious we’re going to start owning this war.”Amen, Russ Feingold is right. I think the majority of the Dem's are falling into lockstep with BushCo on this and it shows by their bowing to 'his' wishes on the Funding Bill. They should keep sending the same bill as before until he has no choice but to sign it..or bring the soldiers home.

Boxer's voting no, at least.  I'm pretty sure Feinstein is a "yes."  I'll never vote for a Republican in that race, but I sure as hell won't vote for her either.

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OK, Congress has a long weekend to think over what idiocy they accomplished today.  The fight starts again Tuesday.  The enemy of this nation is ruthless, callous and vicious.  But we'll defeat Bush in time anyway.

DiFi will vote yes..I expected Boxer to vote no..both are running true to form.

Random...I hope you're right...

The enemy of this nation is ruthless, callous and vicious.  But we'll defeat Bush in time anyway.  Thanks goodness for Russ Feingold...a voice not afraid to speak his mind regardless what they will throw at him.

Well, if Bush is the enemy, how do you explain him being very happy with the Iraq Funding Bill? That only proves the Dem's caved in. They are not our 'friends' or 'protectors'.

WASHINGTON —  Bowing to President George W. Bush, the Democratic-controlled Congress grudgingly approved fresh billions for the Iraq war minus the troop withdrawal timeline that drew his earlier veto.

"The Iraqi government needs to show real progress in return for America's continued support and sacrifice," the commander in chief said Thursday, before the votes in Congress, and he warned that August could prove to be a bloody month for U.S. troops in Baghdad's murderous neighborhoods.

The Senate vote to send the legislation to the president was 80-14. Less than two hours earlier, the House of Representatives had cleared the measure, 280-142, with Republicans supplying the bulk of the support.

Five months in power in Congress, Democrats in both houses coupled their concession to the president with pledges to challenge his policies anew. "This debate will go on," vowed Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada was more emphatic: "Senate Democrats will not stop our efforts to change the course of this war until either enough Republicans join with us to reject President Bush's failed policy or we get a new president," he said.

You guys are a hoot. I told you five months back that you were had and all I got were insults. Deal with it.

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa !  Did you just figure out the Dems are a bunch of dimwitted loud moth spineless cowards that spew nothing but hot air and hate speech while they wave the white flag  !!!!!

No...I thought that was what the conservatives did.

You people that are crowing over this occupation, this farce, this horrible waste of lives and resources..... you soul-sick bloodthirsty shadows of humans.... you sicken me. This is nothing to be proud of. This is yet another sad day in America, and the world. And yet you wallow in the crapulence, like pigs in waste.... The fact that you find joy in the death and destruction caused in Iraq is a sad commentary on those who, like you, support this complete failure of an Administration, despite every objective and subjective sign that they have failed in even the most basic of stated objective. And for that, you are happy.

Many of us on these boards were happy back in November, because we saw the potential that this occupation would end, quickly. That members of our families, our friends, our fellow citizens might be home soon. That they might arrive alive, and in one piece; not missing limbs, not with horrible visions in their heads, and not in flag-draped coffins. We wanted this national nightmare and tragedy to be brought to its end. We wanted to end the bankruptcy of our future economy, and our national safety. Today, we got none of that. And for that, you cheer.

This Administration has lied about the reasons for this invasion, lied about the planning, lied about the execution of the occupation, and lies to this day about its success, or complete and total lack thereof. Unlike many of you, I have read many book about this invasion and occupation. About the military planning, the military execution, and the military and civilian efforts afterwards. At each and every step this Administration has put partisan political considerations ahead of all others. Ahead of intelligence. Ahead of funding. Ahead of the safety of the troops. Ahead of the skills required to rebuild a country decimated by war and sanctions. Ahead of the political realities of the region, and of the country. Ahead of the economic realities. Ahead of the technical requirements. Ahead of each and every thing that was and is required to "win" this occupation. And for that, you are proud.

This occupation has cost the lives of over 3400 American servicemen and -women. Numerous more lives of private contractors and civilian personnel. The lives of hundreds of thousands (perhaps as many as 650,000) Iraqi men, women, and children. Many million more are refugees, fleeing the chaos and death that we have brought and unleashed. There are tens of thousands of Americans who suffer the physical and mental scars of battle, and will bear them until the day they die. Families have been torn apart by this military action. Our national treasury has been ransacked by this Administration, and their cronies and corporations have been rewarded, handsomely. We will be paying for this mistake long after the last soldier comes home, both individually, and collectively. Our children will bear the brunt of this action, as their futures have been mortgaged to pay for this false "war". And for that, you brag.

We have not been made safer by this Administration, by this invasion and occupation, by the passage of this bill. We are less safe today than we were on September 12th, 2001. It has been stated, for the record, by every expert in the field, that the risks to our national security have been increased by this continued occupation. They do not fight us there instead of fighting us here. They fight us wherever they choose to fight us, and they avoid us where they do not wish to fight us. We are not choosing the battlefield, they are. We are not decreasing their numbers, despite all of the killing. We are not decreasing their power, we are giving them credibility. We are not taking them down, we are building them up. They continue to grow, not despite our actions but because of our actions. And for that, you gloat.

We as citizens have sacrificed, despite what you've been led to believe. We have given up our lives, and the lives of our fellow citizens, and the innocent lives in Iraq and around the world. We have lost our economic strength, our national character, and our moral high ground. We have given up our most basic Constitutional rights, our most basic human rights; of safety, of privacy, of justice. We used to be a beacon to the world, representing the highest aspirations of Man. America stood as a lighthouse on the shore, shining the light of Liberty and of Freedom to the storm-tossed seas of international politics. And we have fallen. Far. We not only condone torture, we perform it. We not only imprison people, we dehumanize them, like animals. We lie. We hide. We cheat and game every system designed to provide fairness and justice. We believe we are above the laws of man. We act as though we are gods, unanswerable to our fellow man, when we act on our lowest impulses. And for that, you feel righteous.

You may find reason to celebrate today. I do not. I find it impossible to become happy at the idea that this will continue for one year more, for one month more, for one week, day, hour, minute, or second more than it should. People will die because of this bill. People will lose everything they hold dear because of this bill. And if your piggish brains cannot comprehend this result, then you are truly the subhuman animals you claim we are fighting. Their future should be your future. But even though it is not one of your qualities, I will do what I can to exercise restraint and compassion in my dealings with you. May your God help you if others do not.

And yet they keep fleeing in here by the thousands.

 Quote Matt: We have given up our most basic Constitutional rights, our most basic human rights; of safety, of privacy, of justice. We used to be a beacon to the world, representing the highest aspirations of Man. America stood as a lighthouse on the shore, shining the light of Liberty and of Freedom to the storm-tossed seas of international politics.

Matt is this about the Mexican Aliens or a comment about our horrible war in Iraq ? HEH HEH

Your right about us losing our Rights, our Laws, our Privacy but it's from the Aliens coming from the South.

Change a few names there Matt and it sounds like the invasion of America, if only we could get the Dem's and Rep's to think like that about our invasion here.

Ron

Ron, quit trying to change the subject. Illegal aliens aren't killing hundreds of thousands of Americans. Illegal aliens haven't killed 3400 US soldiers, or injured tens of thousands more. Illegal aliens haven't cost us half a trillion dollars these past 4 years. Illegal aliens haven't displaced over 2 million Americans. Take your anit-immigrant tripe elsewhere.

It's OPEN borders stupid! No Borders, no aliens and we all become citizens of the same planet, that allREd can set up a compound in Cabo San Lucus and call it REDville.
God the free enterprise Realtors could have a bonanza and we would own Baja just like California, without having to steal their gold.

Oh...and that's a brilliant idea?

Ron you don't have a clue do you? Mexican Aliens? Its people from all nations coming here, not just Mexico..God your stupid. And you blame everything wrong with this country on them as well..LOL..your also uninformed.

Its people from all nations coming here, not just Mexico

I looked this up earlier.

Immigrants from Mexico make up just over 50% of the total number of illegals in the U.S.

Mexicans are an easy scapegoat for the ignorant and the frightened.

Yeah...I have to wonder what the part of being 'frightened'...is up with?  Why do we have to be afraid that these poor oppressed people want a better life?  If things were to go really south here for us...you can bet that I'd go quickly to another country to get away from it.  Does anyone really want to stick around for poverty...or a nation that has war waging in it?  Now...I'm thinking of last years Lebanon/Israel conflict...I'd have done anything to have gotten away from that.  Actually...no matter where I may live...if there is trouble that is making my life miserable and that of my family...I'd hit the road to Zanzibar.  Not directed at you GrpThnk...because I am not afeared of aliens from beyond the Rio Grande.

"And yet they keep fleeing in here by the thousands."

More tripe from the man who PRETENDS to be a Christian.

in response to the comments about undocumented migrants...  Migrants thats rich haha...  More like invasion force...

People who dont see the illegal aliens from Mexico coming in here and debasing our society are totally blind and out of touch with reality they take as much as they give.  To be informed about the subject all you have to do is walk down the street, christ almighty.  But I suppose everybody is too busy blogging to take a good hard look around and realize which direction we are headed in.  Bush wants the illegals in here more than he wants Iraqi oil and all you socialist commies should be celebrating in the streets because you won the lottery you get more demo voters and Bushy is pulling out of Iraq.  Bush will trade his war funding for what he thinks is right for America which is a permanent under class that can be easily manipulated by the new one party system and the race hustlers.  Bush and company have to think about long term stock options, and slavery has always been good for business. 

The only "illegal alien" I have ever met that I *KNEW* was undocumented...came from Canada.  Now *THAT'S* going to be one hell of a wall.  Make the Mexican border look minúsculo, eh?

"More like invasion force..." In actuality, it is the other invasion force, the visible one.