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Day of the Dead: Are you outraged?
Some Californian readers wrote in complaining about an ad for Mexican celebration Dia de los Muertos (Day of the Dead) and the celebration itself, with one reader likening the festivities to "some voodoo ceremony that's practiced in some third-world country like Mexico."
Now, ignoring for a moment the latent racism behind such a comment, do you regard Dia de los Muertos as a hallowed tradition or a controversial "voodoo ceremony." And is an altar to the dead that much different from little kids dressed up as evil monsters getting candy on Halloween? And while we're at it, is The Californian chronicling or causing the controversy? — Andrew Mockett
54 comments from 31 users
posted by
randomfactor
on Oct 26, 2007 at 08:49 AM
posted by
thetruthhurts
on Oct 26, 2007 at 09:00 AM
I have to agree with Random. We hear to often hateful ignorant (ignorant...living in 2007 ignorant shouldn't be used..I will use plain old stupidity and racism) remarks. Can someone who feels the need to make remarks like these please help me to understand how one could have views like this? This sickens me.
I don't know anything about Dia de los Muertos but it sounds like a day to cherish and remember the dead you love. Does anyone know if this is close? posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Oct 26, 2007 at 09:01 AM
posted by
randomfactor
on Oct 26, 2007 at 09:01 AM
Dead on, forgive the pun. . This country's attitudes about death could stand to benefit from a healthy look at Mexico's. posted by
witbee
on Oct 26, 2007 at 09:11 AM
posted by
maryjonorris
on Oct 26, 2007 at 09:12 AM
Dia do Muertos is just like Momerial Day but even more people come out to clean the graves of their loved ones. They also teach the young ones not to forget their family who are not here by beautifing the graves with many colors and flowers.
posted by
TomW
on Oct 26, 2007 at 09:12 AM
posted by
nooneisabovethelaw
on Oct 26, 2007 at 09:25 AM
posted by
antiextremism
on Oct 26, 2007 at 09:29 AM
How dare them Honor the Dead. I mean after all, we should celebrate American things like Columbus Day, Saint Patrick's Day, Hannukah, and Kwanza. Not this foreign stuff. Skeletons should be viewed only during the Pagan Halloween where we honor the Candy industry. Next thing you know, they'll want to celebrate a third world country's Independence........twice in one year even! This is an issue that should go right to the front of our local government's agenda, like what we hang on our walls, and whether we should issue a Fatwa against foreign languages, or making the statement that "Yes, we won't be a sanctuary city, not because it is already illegal, but because we just wanna make sure you know that". In fact, I think the local government should also make a proclamation saying we don't support murder, and won't tolerate rapists easily." So, let all of us Amuricans honor their wishes, by actually helping them meet their ancestors on the Day of the Dead. We'll do that right after the NRA meeting. That would solve almost every City Council problem we have and they will have time to actualy fix roads, and make plans for freeways that don't end in the middle of the town. It's dispicable. As an Irish American, honoring of the dead was our idea to actually celebrate their lives instead of bemoaning our selflshness, and to get wasted on stout beer while doing so. Haven't the English already stole enough from us???? posted by
sagefever
on Oct 26, 2007 at 10:03 AM
posted by
CalamityJanie
on Oct 26, 2007 at 10:50 AM
posted by
randomfactor
on Oct 26, 2007 at 11:02 AM
posted by
alramirez37
on Oct 26, 2007 at 11:12 AM
It is unfortunate that we have ignorant people like Nora Virrey in our community. She does not understand what Dia de los Muertos is about therefore she decides to call it a “voodoo ceremony”. Dia de los Muertos is nothing more than a day to honor those that have passed. Maybe Nora Virrey should do some research before she opens her mouth next time. posted by
srgonzalez215
on Oct 26, 2007 at 11:25 AM
This is what Wikepedia says about Halloween: "Many European cultural traditions, in particular Celtic cultures, hold that Halloween is one of the liminal times of the year when spirits can make contact with the physical world, and when magic is most potent (according to, for example, Catalan mythology about witches and Irish tales of the Sídhe)." I wonder if Ms. Virrey feels Halloween should not be celebrated since it has "voodoo-like roots", and Ms. Virrey, maybe you should visit Mexico so you can see that it is far from being a Third World Country! alramirez, you took the words right out of my mouth! posted by
ernestomdo
on Oct 26, 2007 at 11:26 AM
"How dare them Honor the Dead. I mean after all, we should celebrate American things like Columbus Day, Saint Patrick's Day, Hannukah, and Kwanza." You forgot Valentine's Day, Independence Day, President's Day, Thanksgiving, etc., etc. How dare US scary brown people (BOO) have culture, heritage and love for our ancestors and the beliefs that they had. So when is that NRA meeting? posted by
RoyTullis
on Oct 26, 2007 at 11:40 AM
posted by
casedow
on Oct 26, 2007 at 12:10 PM
I understand that recently there has been very little information on Dia de los Muertos in the Californian and I would have thought your article to be a cultural informational piece shedding light on a very integral part of the Hispanic community. I would have also hoped that it would have been a respectful, insightful, and knowledgeable article enabling our city to better understand the culture that makes up a large portion of our community. Instead I was sorely disappointed. You chose to instead focus on the unfounded and frankly ignorant views of people of our community who probably couldn't even tell you what day the holiday is on. The very title signifies the focus of the article which has no purpose but only to validate the uneducated and fearful views of people who have not seemed to comprehend the true meaning of this holiday. However, despite being somewhat backhanded, I do appreciate the media attention on the event taking place at Greenlawn. I would hope in the future your articles will represent the true diversity of Bakersfield instead of spreading a backwards, embarrassing view of our community.
posted by
msjenny
on Oct 26, 2007 at 12:10 PM
radom always i agree with you, maybe nora does love her family that have passed on to heaven or the other place
posted by
mattloch
on Oct 26, 2007 at 12:48 PM
And don't forget conservatives complaining that atheists are secularizing it..... (by "declaring war" on it) posted by
AudreyB
on Oct 26, 2007 at 01:36 PM
It's only a big deal if you make it a big deal. This is another one of those subjects that comes under the heading of : "Fun things to be outraged over". posted by
ghostriter
on Oct 26, 2007 at 01:49 PM
posted by
johnburnssucks
on Oct 26, 2007 at 02:00 PM
...one reader likening the festivities to "some voodoo ceremony..." So? I used to practice voodoo all the time. Never had much success, though. How dare US scary brown people (BOO) have culture, heritage and love for our ancestors and the beliefs that they had. So when is that NRA meeting? Ernesto, antiextremism was being sarcastic.
posted by
AudreyB
on Oct 26, 2007 at 02:03 PM
My guess is, she never had a high school or college class in sociology. If she had, she would realize that being different doesn't mean being inferior OR wrong. posted by
ChicoEsquela
on Oct 26, 2007 at 03:02 PM
posted by
ChicoEsquela
on Oct 26, 2007 at 03:09 PM
And don't forget conservatives complaining that atheists are secularizing it..... (by "declaring war" on it) ~~Mattloch A mí me gustaría hacerle este día del muerto a mi liberal a una ofrenda amigos socialistas Mattloch, Azar (RF en espanol), y TomW. Favor de aceptarle en el espíritu que se da. Conservativo para siempre~~ ~~ Chico posted by
ChicoEsquela
on Oct 26, 2007 at 03:12 PM
Permite nosotros ahora y de aquí en adelante declara guerra en esos quienes declaran guerra en secularisivo, conservatismo, religión, liberalismo, socialismo. Para "Todo el Mundo"! ORALE' VATOS! posted by
ChicoEsquela
on Oct 26, 2007 at 03:23 PM
Gonzales y Ramirez: We usually even enshrine the most recently passed of our "tribe" along with our ofrende. So you are quite correct as is the Anglo Calamitous Janious. However the upstart ernestomdo should learn the 2nd amendment (and by assoc the NRA) is dear to the values assoc w/ dia de muerte para los "sangrias" as well as any anglos or others "no parte de la raza"...........
posted by
antiextremism
on Oct 26, 2007 at 04:03 PM
Me, sarcastic John?????? Unheard of. When have I ever used sarcasm to make a point????? You're just stereotyping me now because I'm white. Uh oh, I'm doing it again aren't I? Neeeeever Miiiiiind. posted by
adampayne
on Oct 26, 2007 at 04:06 PM
posted by
ghostriter
on Oct 26, 2007 at 04:17 PM
posted by
ChicoEsquela
on Oct 26, 2007 at 04:33 PM
posted by
FIZZGET
on Oct 26, 2007 at 05:16 PM
Ms. Virrey you must be one of the lucky ones that has never had a loved one pass away, or you just bury them and forget them. Dia De Los Muertos is a day in our culture where when honor and remember them. This is our way of showing others that they were loved and now missed very much. We loved them so much that we created a holiday to honor them. I suggest you go to your nearest library and read up on the subject, so next time you want to write something you might just sound intelligent. posted by
sfinboston52
on Oct 26, 2007 at 05:24 PM
posted by
medlock
on Oct 26, 2007 at 05:28 PM
posted by
ChicoEsquela
on Oct 26, 2007 at 06:54 PM
Ora para "El Dia De Muerte" para los Liberalisimo's, Socialismo's, Secularisivo's, y Appeasiementos para los "tin pot" dictadores aqui (en esa BB) y todo el mundo ............. Entonces, arbusto (chamiso) no son patinando esse. Y los cabesa de nudillos puede electar Hillario Cleentonius Then we shall see What will the nudillos y hijos de chingaras complain about then? Nothing? Of course, because we will then have achieved utopia esse!
posted by
johnburnssucks
on Oct 26, 2007 at 08:04 PM
long live Cherry Garcia! Great Ice Cream. I saw a bumper sticker several years ago that said "Thanks, Jerry for finally dying" Obviously not a Grateful Dead fan. posted by
ChicoEsquela
on Oct 26, 2007 at 08:13 PM
mucus garcias, juan morenos succiones porque tue tienes cherry garcias en tus labios? porque juan morenos succiones esse! ;-) posted by
jermox
on Oct 26, 2007 at 10:58 PM
This reminds me of something I noticed last Cinco de Mayo. I was working last Cinco de Mayo and the store I worked at decided to play Spanish music throughout that day only. The customers were livid. Many were threatening to not shop in the store again. All the while these customers were buying out every lime, Corona, and margarita mix they could find and/or heading to the nearest Mexican restaurant to listen to Mariachis while drinking their Coronas and margaritas. Some people nowadays are so touchy about immigration that they see any kind of Mexican heritage creeping into California as an assault on America. I have to say I always found Dia de los Muertos to be one of the most amazing holidays. I remember watching a film on it that showed a very poor Mexican family saving their money to buy their deceased family members the higher quality foods. It has always been an ambition of mine to visit Mexico during this holiday since I always found the celebration so incredible. posted by
ChicoEsquela
on Oct 26, 2007 at 11:06 PM
When is Cinco de Mayo? I just can never remember the date. (when it is) (anyone who drinks Corona must be related to Ghandi somewhere way back there anyway)
posted by
kangarue
on Oct 26, 2007 at 11:11 PM
posted by
ChicoEsquela
on Oct 26, 2007 at 11:25 PM
I just love Jeff Dunham's (the other white meat) new character Ahmed the Terrorist Have you seen him? Of course the jalapeno on a stick is good too essa's........... posted by
ChicoEsquela
on Oct 26, 2007 at 11:31 PM
posted by
kangarue
on Oct 27, 2007 at 12:53 AM
posted by
ernestomdo
on Oct 27, 2007 at 01:06 AM
"How dare US scary brown people (BOO) have culture, heritage and love for our ancestors and the beliefs that they had. So when is that NRA meeting? Ernesto, antiextremism was being sarcastic. " and so was I John... posted by
myxlnt1
on Oct 27, 2007 at 01:13 AM
Chico, Don,'t please Don't turn my blog into a Hispanic language blog. I have enough trouble with, 08 speak.
posted by
robinislost
on Oct 27, 2007 at 03:27 AM
No hablo español. (Was that right?) How do you say "I'm flunking Spanish" in Spanish? (Actually, I think I'm passing my Spanish class, but I'll be darned if it wasn't a mistake to try taking college-level Spanish!) Spanish is my easiest class this year. Boy, Chico, that was way too much Spanish for me. I could barely understand any of it. Too many big words. posted by
NancyII
on Oct 27, 2007 at 07:15 AM
"Don't turn my blog into a Hispanic language blog. " So... — Andrew Mockett from the Californian is myxlnt? posted by
ChicoEsquela
on Oct 27, 2007 at 07:31 AM
sorry If I'd a knowed you wuz an oh eighter Ida not done 'at I recollect when my bud who live in the dale mowed his lawn last time. He found 3 cars posted by
ChicoEsquela
on Oct 27, 2007 at 07:36 AM
posted by
artsaalfield
on Oct 27, 2007 at 12:46 PM
As a former high school Spanish teacher in Bakersfield, I am heartened to read so many supportive comments on this blog regarding Dia de Los Muertos. For 15 years, my students observed this special day from the Mexican culture, complete with "ofrenda", "pan de muerto" and "Catrina" and "Zapatista" masks and puppets. As some bloggers have implied, Dia de los Muertos and Halloween have the same roots. While the former is a mixture of Catholic/Christian and Aztec beliefs, the latter is a mixture of Celtic and Christian beliefs. Dia de los Muertos (aka: Dia de Todos los Santos, or All Saints' Day) is observed on Nov. 1, just as it is in many cultures, while Halloween (from All Hallows Evening, or the Eve of all Saints' Day) is observed Oct. 31. Lastly, Halloween is designed to display a fear of the dead, while Dia de los Muertos is designed to honor the dead. So Dia de los Muertos is no more like "voodoo" than Halloween! Cynthia Saalfield BAKERSFIELD.COM HOT TOPICS:Advertisement |