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talkofthetown - > Talk of the Town -> One in five Americans still choose to smoke
One in five Americans still choose to smoke
I didn't know we had that many people in America making such a dumb decision.

But for the last several years, the rate of U.S. smokers has remained steady at about 21 percent.

Not only are the little cancer sticks expensive, but they contribute to about  438,000 deaths a year and 8.7 million people living with tobacco-related illness.

My daughter and stepdaughter both smoked for a time, but they both quit. My daughter quit amidst a large group of friends who still smoke. She would be the one making the smart and courageous decision.

So why do one in five still do it?

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posted by witterpitters on Nov 9, 2007 at 09:09 AM

Because we want to.

Because the more you people yell at us about it the more we are probably are not going to quit just on general principle. 

I will 'choose' to quit if I want to, I will not be threatened or mandated to quit. Have I quit ? Yes many times but I have a stubborn streak about being "ordered" to do or not do anything.  I actually started smoking because my mother said, "I better not ever catch you smoking".  THAT became a challenge! Up to that point (1964-I was 19) the thought of smoking hadn't even crossed my mind!!  I come from a totally non-smoking family! Although my brother never smoked ciggies, he smoked everything else plus alcohol - he's deceased - I'm still here.  Go figure. I have my own health insurance that I pay for so don't worry yourself that any smoking illness I might get will come out of your pocket - unlike the illegals who we pay for on a daily basis.

When my daughter asked me what I would do if she started smoking I told her - if you are 18, you are an adult, you do what you feel is right for you. I hope you don't start smoking but if you do it is your responsibility.  She doesn't smoke or drink.

posted by witbee on Nov 9, 2007 at 09:22 AM

You're surprised that people make bad health decisions? I'm surprised more people don't smoke, frankly.

I have the occasional cigar, myself.

posted by Wayfarer on Nov 9, 2007 at 09:40 AM
I am wandering with the passing of laws to barr smoking in public areas;  when will they start to apply them to public bus stops?  The 24Th&Chester bus stop is particularly bad about exposing bus riders to second hand smoke and while I am at it  harassment by Jehovah Witness Cult.  Apparently the poor the main user of public transportation does not have equal representation and protection.
posted by witterpitters on Nov 9, 2007 at 09:42 AM
Why not go all the way and let the government ban everything that is bad for us then we won't have to make any decisions on our own.
posted by witterpitters on Nov 9, 2007 at 09:45 AM

I personally think it is ludicrious that special interest groups/state-local government can dictate to private business owners what they will and will not allow in their establishments.  Smacks of big brother to me.

If you will notice it is probably the poor, i.e. homeless who are smoking!!!

posted by randomfactor on Nov 9, 2007 at 09:52 AM
Gee, Buffoo, project much?  Jehovah's Witnesses never puff pamphlets in your face...and I have yet to see one spam this particular venue with cut-and-paste mythology.  I've *NEVER* heard of one proposing a law banning blood transfusions for non-JW's, either.
posted by robbwillis on Nov 9, 2007 at 09:57 AM

The Jehovah's Witnesses harassing buffojournerwafer7 really makes my day!

Oh, the Karma!

posted by steveeswenson on Nov 9, 2007 at 10:18 AM
So, Witter, you're exercising your American right to do something harmful for yourself. Who's  the winner here?
posted by TomW on Nov 9, 2007 at 10:22 AM
Witter, technically, the law only says you can't allow smoking in areas where employees must go.  Owner-operated establishments are exempt.

As for the rest of it:

A 70 year old man goes to the doctor for a checkup.  He tells the doctor he wants to live to be 100.

"OK.  Let me ask you some questions before we start the exam.  Do you smoke?"
"No, sir."
"Great. Do you drink?"
"I may have a glass of wine on my birthday."
"OK. Do you use any drugs?"
"No sir!  I'd never touch that stuff."
"Hmmm.  And are you sexually active?"
"No.  It's too dangerous with everything out there."
...
...
"So....Tell me why again you want to live to be 100."

Short version:
"Doc, I've heard if I quit smoking I'll live longer.  Is that true?"
"Maybe, maybe not.  All I can guarantee is that it'll feel longer."
posted by dgrealish on Nov 9, 2007 at 10:35 AM

Steve, am I wrong in assuming you're receiving your treatment at CBCC, or did I read it in your blog?  If I'm right, next time you're there, take a look at the parking lot.  The ground is covered with cigarette butts.  My mom goes to the pain management center there, and one day while waiting, I was nearly knocked over again and again by patients arriving reeking of cigarette smoke.  On the way out to bring the car around for my mom, I noticed what I considered to be a ridiculously large number of cigarette butts on the ground for the location.  And sure and anything, before I reached my car, a woman lit u p and proceeded to power smoke her way from her car to the door of the pain management center.  It was way too much irony for my delicate system.  My head exploded.  I haven't been the same since.

posted by thetruthhurts on Nov 9, 2007 at 10:48 AM

I am a smoker and agree it is a very unhealthy thing to continue to do, and am trying to quit.  Although I agree that smoking is extremely harmful I have to say that so is being overweight.  More people die each year from complications from being overweight than from smoking.  How come people aren't outraged by the millions of people who glutton themselves to death each year?  If a smoker only smoked in a box where no carcinogens could escape would those who think it should be banned feel the same way?  If so why, they aren't hurting anyone but themselves?  Please don't take what I have said the wrong way, I defiantly think that people should not be able to smoke in doors in public places or around children, but there has to be a limit to all the restrictions.  I will be all for completely banning smoking if we can ban all of the overweight people in this country as well.  Overweight parents affect their children in very negative ways just like smoking parents, how many healthy weight children do you see being raised by someone who is unhealthily fat?  In my experience not that many, that is why the national percentage of people overweight goes up every year.

posted by sagefever on Nov 9, 2007 at 11:02 AM
And then we can go on to the folks that drink,eat too many eggs,red meat,heck just meat ~we should all be vegans~and I not sure all that "reading " is good for a person...oh wait.These are personal decisions(smoke outside folks) and should stay that way. From the beginning of time humans have loved to change their perception of reality~everything from fasts to booze to turning in a circle to flogging themselves into a "state"..and as an smoker who hasn't had a puff in 30+ years..nicotine gets you high! Just enough poison to make you feel all funny . We know there is only one way off the bus~ some of this behavior is a "thumbing of the nose" to the end result.We die.No matter if we are skinny,fat with polluted lung,or pink,or with a liver the size of New Jersey.So enjoy it today folks.
posted by dgrealish on Nov 9, 2007 at 11:10 AM
Here's the difference.  We start eating at birth and continue to do so to stay alive.  Smoking is a conscious choice made at some point in your life, in spite of the health risks.
posted by JesusSmokedABowl on Nov 9, 2007 at 11:22 AM
Legalize pot.
posted by Griffon64 on Nov 9, 2007 at 11:59 AM
It doesn't bother me in the least that people smoke, except of course for the part where they force ME to subsidize THEIR medical bills.

If people were made to truly face the consequences of their decisions, instead of getting to hide behind the wallets of others, they could beat their chests and say "I do what I want, yay me!" ( Also refer to the whole insurance thing for people building in tinder canyons, but anyway, different topic )

As things stand, every little proud American trumpeting his or her RIGHT to do as they please as they puff away are mostly just duping themselves. They're being led by the brain by advertising / a concept of cool or being rebellious / thinking they're being free / whatever their reason to keep smoking, without realizing that they're actually being pathetically co-dependent on the very people they belittle for trying to get them to quit being a burden on everybody's backs.

Carry on smoking and dodging the responsibility to face the real consequences of your actions. It is true that nobody can force another person to grow a helping of common sense and stop free riding.

Having your own health insurance is all good, but the premium you pay ( although it hopefully is adjusted upwards because you smoke and that is a risk factor ) is still being subsidized by the non-smokers. That's how insurance works - spread the risk across everybody. If everybody were smoking, premiums would be a whole lot higher because the drain on the insurance would be that much higher.
posted by randomfactor on Nov 9, 2007 at 11:59 AM

Agree with you, JSAB.  

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Dgrealish, the difference is that tobacco use frequently leads to death *WHEN USED AS INTENDED.*  And TheTruthHurts, the top four causes of death in the US are all at least aggravated by smoking, if not caused by it.

posted by RoyTullis on Nov 9, 2007 at 01:33 PM
As stated before, I smoke a pipe, not posture like Mattloch's picture. I have been smoking it for 30 years and do not intend to quit. Do I want to live to 100 years old. The answer is no. Why do I smoke? Because I like the taste and it relaxes me. I will admit that I detest the smell of cigarettes, especially in ash trays so I keep all my ash trays on the table on the patio. I still feel that most of the danger from cigarettes (if there is any) comes from the burning of the paper, glue and the chemicals they add to keep them burning. you stop puffing on a pipe it goes out. You light a cigarette and it burns up completely. If tobacco is so bad maybe we should sue the American Indians for introducing it to us.(just kidding Chico). Incidentally, Both my Grandfather and Grandmother on my mothers side smoked pipes (yes, Grandmother.) He died at 92 from injuries from falling out of a tree while trimming branches with a hand saw.  Could the tobacco cause him to fall? She died at 102 from old age. Could she have lived to 110 without smoking? I don't know.
posted by dgrealish on Nov 9, 2007 at 02:11 PM

I watched my Pop die of congestive heart failure and COPD before he was 73.  You may not wish to live to be 100, but believe me, you wouldn't wish this death on your worst enemy.  And if you're ever on your death bed because of smoking, remember to ask yourself if it was worth it. 

random, we're on the same page, right.

posted by RoyTullis on Nov 9, 2007 at 02:16 PM
dgrealish. How do you know smoking was the cause of his death? Any heart problems in his family history?  The doctor saying it was smoking is not enough. Did he smoke cigarettes? Incidentally, I'm 77, in fairly good health and able to do just about anything I want (I gave up my motorcycle). I eat red meat and pizza, drink a beer now and then, smoke my pipe and live a good life.  To me, quality of life is much more important than quantity. When I reach the point where I no longer have quality in my life I am ready to go. That's just the way I feel.
posted by dgrealish on Nov 9, 2007 at 02:23 PM

He was my POP, my DADDY.  I went to every doctor's appointment with him.  COPD is Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease, commonly known as Emphysema.  I watched him smoke my whole life.  He smoked until he was unable to drive to the store to buy cigarettes.  Yeah, there are heart problems in his family history and everyone of his siblings who have heart problems smoke like chimneys. 

BTW, I've never smoked, nor do I have heart problems, even though there are heart problems in my mother's family as well.  Coincidentally, as with my Pop's family, it's those who smoke who suffer with them.

posted by dgrealish on Nov 9, 2007 at 02:36 PM
Holy macaroni, you're probably right!  Continue to smoke all you want.  It probably won't hurt you.  And it's a pretty reasonable hobby, as far as cost is concerned.   It's not like you're literally burning money.  Just keep your nasty smoke to yourself.  I'm asthmatic.  You are contaminating the air I breath and whether you feel it's harmful to your health, my doctor (Dr.Kitt) has told me in no uncertain terms, your cigarette smoke is harmful to my health.
posted by RoyTullis on Nov 9, 2007 at 02:46 PM
I know how tough it is to lose a parent. I watched my father first lose one leg and then the other due to diabetes before he died (not smoke related). You're asthmatic? I guess it does run in the family.  Don't blame me for your misfortunes. incidentally, I am extremely careful where and around whom I light up.
posted by dgrealish on Nov 9, 2007 at 03:04 PM
I'm not blaming you for my misfortunes.  Many smokers are of the opinion that they're hurting no one but themselves.  Not true. 
posted by thetruthhurts on Nov 9, 2007 at 03:10 PM

DG-

I am fully aware that smoking is harmful and am in the process of quiting.  I have never met you so how can MY smoke harm you?  Polluting the air? Yes smoking pollutes the air and I agree that is another good reason to quit.  If this is your reasoning my question to you is what kind of car do you drive?  In my opinion if you drive anything bigger than a 4 cylinder YOU are polluting MY air more than I am polluting yours. 

posted by adampayne on Nov 9, 2007 at 03:27 PM
I find it depressing that so many people feel they are the sole arbiters of what types of behavior all people should engage in. People in every city ingesting all sorts of pollutants every waking moment want to single out some people engaging in grilling their lips and slow smoking their lungs as the cause of all health problems in this country. Many of these finger-pointers chew on their massive cow-pie burgers from the fast food purveyors as they consume gallons of corn syrup and complain about the smoke killing them while they fart tons of methane into the atmosphere. I smoke, because if I didn't I would be locked in a crowded cell with other impulse control challenged individuals regretting the bludgeoning of some person over some stupid action or comment he/she committed in my presence. 
posted by drilnliftcrude on Nov 9, 2007 at 03:58 PM

Smoking is bad for all Californians because we could all end up burning in Hell..........

Smokers fund First 5 which came about through the efforts of one Meat Head who may ride that victory into the Governor's mansion and would then run the state right straight to Hell in a hand basket.

And because of that, I think smokers should stop right now.

posted by witterpitters on Nov 9, 2007 at 04:02 PM

Tom:  "Witter, technically, the law only says you can't allow smoking in areas where employees must go.  Owner-operated establishments are exempt." So even if a bar or restaurant is owner operated people can smoke?  Wrong. We can't.  If a potential employee knows the establishment is a smoking allowed establishment then they take the job or don't!  Each establishment should be able to decide for themselves whether they want smoking or non-smoking - it has not been their choice at all the "law" was put upon them.

Griffon: It doesn't bother me in the least that people smoke, except of course for the part where they force ME to subsidize THEIR medical bills. They're being led by the brain by advertising / a concept of cool.  YOU are not subsidizing my medical bills. I don't hear you complaining about the medical bills we all pay for the gang people who are causing harm to others. Do you really think they have health insurance?  Do you really think you are not footing the bills for them and the ones they harm/kill?  I can almost bet my social security check that most if not all people did not take up smoking because of advertising. That's bunk. Do you think all alcoholics started drinking because of ads? Well then let's stop all those ads also. Let's stop ALL ads - period.  409 bathroom cleaner is very harmful to your lungsif you breath it in while cleaning - let's do away with that too.

posted by dgrealish on Nov 9, 2007 at 04:03 PM

OK, truth and Adam and anyone else who wants to split these hairs,  I know that my car pollutes your air, and I know the fast food industry pollutes and cows pollute and our body's expel gas that pollute and marshes create gas that pollute and so on and so on.  I concede this argument.  So there you are.  I apologize to any smokers I may have offended.  Perhaps if smokers conceded the fact that there are people who are highly sensitive and others who are allergic to smoke and have difficulty breathing................................ah, but that would be impeding their rights.

posted by witterpitters on Nov 9, 2007 at 04:04 PM
This state is already in hell.  Where have you been living!
posted by witterpitters on Nov 9, 2007 at 04:10 PM

dg:  ever since I started smoking I have always asked people around me if my smoke will bother them.  I do not smoke in non-smokers cars or homes. I don't smoke in my car if I have a non-smoker in my car or kids in my car. I do not throw my smokes out the car window. I do MY best to not upset those around me who would be bothered. If I'm at a large gathering I will walk out to the curb, if need be to smoke.

However, as opposed to alcohol and/or drugs, I can drive my car and not kill someone!!! Unless I'm also on my cell, sipping a soda, eating a burger and otherwise engaged :-)))

posted by adampayne on Nov 9, 2007 at 05:16 PM
DGrealish, I'm an addict. I haven't smoked in my own home for more than ten years, but the old garage and patio became my lounge areas because the fact is most people cannot tolerate the smell. Smoking has become a form of social leprosy. After four hundred years of cultivation from the plantation to gather around and share, people recently have found it necessary to move beyond the cloud and demand fresh air. Society needs to find a different pipe to share among each other. Continual criticism of people who already know the score just doesn't wear well. People are always quick to point out all the faults of the smoker, the over-weight, those who dress differently,  pierced and tattooed, and anyone not falling into line with some mainstream value of arbitrary correctness. My hope is that we should celebrate the differences,. Live and let live a little more. Life is tense enough.
posted by witterpitters on Nov 9, 2007 at 05:58 PM

adam:       &n bsp; AMEN!!!!!!!

I was raised to accept people for who and what they are - warts and all. I guess I expect nothing less from others.

posted by dgrealish on Nov 9, 2007 at 06:49 PM

It appears a few people have taken offense by what has been said about the health risks of smoking for both smokers and non smokers.  I guess the question is, does your right to smoke usurp my right and the right of others with similar conditions to breath freely?  Fifty years ago, parents had no idea they were poisoning the air their children were breathing, so when I look at a picture from 1956 with a mother holding her baby while smoking a cigarette, I don't see it the same way I see a mother today holding a baby while smoking.   I'm not debating your right to smoke, or whether or not you should smoke. 

My first post was about the irony of the number of cigarette butts at CBCC.  Then when I posted about my Pop's death due to cigarette smoking, someone questioned whether or not I knew this caused his death!  And it went on from there.  Now, if you're feeling picked on, I apologize, but let me again point out, your rights are no greater than mine. 

posted by witterpitters on Nov 9, 2007 at 07:13 PM

dg: you do not have to apologize for having a different opinion!  EVERYBODY has rights. It's whether we are cognizant of what bothers others and whether we are willing, as people, to do our best to stay out of the way!  I'm sorry your pop had to cross over that way - yes I have seen some friends  succumb in that mannor. Unfortunately - or fortunately - I am of the mind that no one gets off this planet alive and something, sometime, somwhere is going to get you.  Only God has all that info.  Until that point in time, I will enjoy MY life as I see fit and will do my best to not bother others with my habits.  As mentioned in previous blog - I ALWAYS ask if I'm in a group setting.  If even one person says 'yes it will bother me', I will go elsewhere to have my smoke or do without.  We are not all dumbos!!   :-)

Peace sweetie :-)

posted by dgrealish on Nov 9, 2007 at 07:42 PM

The only reason I mentioned my Pop was in the context that you would not wish that death on your worst enemy.  Someone mentioned a few days ago that there are some who do not read, but jump to conclusions as to what is being said.  That, I'm afraid is what has happened today.  The post is scanned for a few key words, and the response written without regard to what was originally said.  Unfortunately, I have an obsessive need to explain myself, which leads to further misunderstanding and further explanation.........it could go on for days.

posted by RoyTullis on Nov 9, 2007 at 07:54 PM
dgrealish. Again, I am sorry you lost your father. I told you how I lost Mine.  If you will read your post it seems clear you were blaming his death on smoking.  I have no way of knowing one way or the other.  You don't have to explain anything. You are entitled to your opinion just as we all are. You have stated your opinion and I have stated mine. That's all that matters.
posted by dgrealish on Nov 10, 2007 at 11:02 AM

Roy, one last word on this, and I'm done.  My Pop's COPD was caused from nearly 60 years of smoking.  His three younger brothers' (one who died just a few months after him) COPD was caused from many many years of smoking.   The brother who died after him actually caught his beard on fire trying to smoke while on oxygen.  Each of their physicians have agreed.  Why can't you?

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