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talkofthetown - > Talk of the Town -> Should California ban the death penalty too?
Should California ban the death penalty too?
Monday, the governor of New Jersey is expected to sign a bill banning the death penalty. According to The New York Times, "once he signs the bill, New Jersey will become the first state in the modern era of capital punishment to repeal the death penalty."

In California, in 1972, the state supreme court declared the death penalty "cruel and unusual punishment." But in 1977, the state Legislature re-enacted the death penalty as a form of punishment long as the murder met "special circumstances" (for example, more than one victim or murder for financial gain). Read more about the history of the death penalty in California.

Now, New Jersey only has 8 men on death row. Not a huge problem for that state to face. California, on the other hand, has 652 men and 15 women on death row.

What do you think? Would California ever ban the death penalty? Should it?
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posted by talkofthetown on Friday, December 14, 2007 at 01:28 PM
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posted by samheath on Dec 14, 2007 at 01:35 PM
Since it is a bad joke here now, it makes more sense to me to simply save some money by skipping all the appeals fattening lawyers further.
posted by witterpitters on Dec 14, 2007 at 01:48 PM
Totally agree Sam.  I think once found guilty of a crime warrenting the death penalty they should get one appeal (within the year) and if that fails take them out back and just put a bullet in their heads (cheaper then elecricity or drugs). 
posted by robbwillis on Dec 14, 2007 at 01:52 PM

I'm with you Sam. If we could off the obvious heinous killers at sunrise following the trial, I'd still be for it. 

It's also absurd to snuff-out any low-life while Manson still breathes.

posted by timec on Dec 14, 2007 at 02:54 PM

California should ban the death penalty. It is cruel and unusual punishment. We have innocent people on death row. No jury has the right to sentence anyone to death. Let God be the judge. One more thing..when you are sentenced to the death penalty in Ca it is the same as life without.

posted by AudreyB on Dec 14, 2007 at 03:06 PM
It's going to be interesting to see what happens to the homicide rate in New Jersey.  Tony Soprano must be smiling in Badda Bing heaven.
posted by OldBlue56 on Dec 14, 2007 at 03:09 PM
Timec, you show your ignorance again. Juries DO NOT sentence convicted people to the death penalty. They make a recommendation to the judge, and the judge does the sentencing. He can do whatever he/she wants. I would think you would know that after what just happened to your buddy Vincent.
posted by timec on Dec 14, 2007 at 03:15 PM

Oldblue,

You are the ignorant one. Juries recommend and the judge 99.9% of the time follow the juries recommendation so in my opinion they sentence.

posted by AudreyB on Dec 14, 2007 at 03:17 PM

Old Blue is right.

The state doesn't want the execution of a convicted murderer to be on the hands of 12 innocent citizens, so the state assumes the duty to make the final decision. 

posted by OldBlue56 on Dec 14, 2007 at 03:49 PM

Timec, even when you are wrong you try to justify it someway. When I am wrong, I admit it. Why can't you?

posted by sagefever on Dec 14, 2007 at 04:04 PM

"New Jersey reinstated the death penalty in 1982, six years after the U.S. Supreme Court allowed states to resume executions, but nobody has been executed in the Garden State since 1963.

New Jersey has been barred from executing anyone under a 2004 court ruling that declared invalid the state's lethal injection procedures.

A special state commission found in January that the death penalty was a more expensive sentence than life in prison, hasn't deterred murder, and could kill innocent people.

The measure would spare eight men on the state's death row " from this link:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/...

posted by adampayne on Dec 14, 2007 at 04:38 PM
It costs an unbelievable amount of money to separately house death row inmates. The costs for the rights of appeals are also extremely high. I know many of you  want to take immediate vengeance on a convicted criminal. I can certainly understand that thinking from a former police officer. It does not change the fact that DNA advances have found too many individuals falsely incarcerated. It does not change the fact that in many parts of the country local justice is not quite even handed in how the law is applied.  The appeals process is there for a very good reason, to prevent the sort of abuses that routinely took place in gaining convictions under false pretenses.  There are vast differences  in how the death penalty is applied  based on ethnic and socio-economic background. I think New Jersey did the right thing. I hope California also revokes the death penalty.
posted by sfinboston52 on Dec 15, 2007 at 09:12 AM

there is no proof, no studies showing that the death penalty lowers crimes or murder. It is time for the US and each state to grow up and become civilized like other democracies.

posted by ChicoEsquela on Dec 15, 2007 at 09:18 AM

yeah lets get civilized like Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, Hockmydinnerjacket, and all the other "enlightened" dictaters you lionize.

for a guy that travels a lot you sure have blinders on

 

posted by sfinboston52 on Dec 15, 2007 at 09:30 AM
hum, I dont believe I have ever said I support Fidel Castro, nor do I support President Chavez. But look at the EU states, Japan, New Zealand, Canada etc etc etc.
posted by sfinboston52 on Dec 15, 2007 at 09:34 AM

Interesting the countries the US is in bed w/ regarding the death penatly. They are not countries that are the known for human rights leadership.

http://www.infoplease.com/i...

The Death Penalty Worldwide

According to Amnesty International, 133 countries have abolished the death penalty. During 2006 25 countries, 91% in China, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Sudan, and the United States alone, executed 1,591 people compared to 2,148 in 2005. More than 3,861 people were sentenced to death in 55 countries. More than 20,000 prisoners are on death row across the world. See also U.S. Figures.

posted by TomW on Dec 15, 2007 at 10:56 AM
Pay no attention to Chico.  He likes government in Communist China and supports his buddies in Syria and Cuba too much too oppose their policies.
posted by TomW on Dec 15, 2007 at 10:57 AM
SFinB, you need to delete this from your post:

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posted by ChicoEsquela on Dec 15, 2007 at 02:35 PM

I would never say

"pay no attention to TomW"

never

posted by johnburnssucks on Dec 15, 2007 at 05:24 PM

Timec, even when you are wrong you try to justify it someway. When I am wrong, I admit it. Why can't you?

She's pathologically insecure. Right is wrong and wrong is right, because of "oppression."

She's probably still angry about Tookie Williams getting his a while back.

posted by johnburnssucks on Dec 15, 2007 at 05:39 PM

According to Amnesty International, 133 countries have abolished the death penalty.

Amnesty International claims that Australia has more “human rights” violations than North Korea. They’re on drugs. They were terribly disappointed when the Soviet empire crumbled, because there were no more gulags to throw a fit over. A.I. supporters give thanks every day that suffering continues to exist in the world, because without it, they’d all have to get real jobs.

posted by sagefever on Dec 15, 2007 at 05:48 PM
All this points to how you and i can look at the same picture and see complete opposites,more than just the ocular colors our experience. Technically JBS~ it is the folks who work for AI that would need jobs,ones they would gladly seek I believe. We supporters have jobs~ hence the extra income to support them.
posted by OldBlue56 on Dec 15, 2007 at 06:20 PM
Stanley "Tookie" Williams III. Born December 29, 1953, died December 13, 2005. Rest in peace Crip Daddy. But just wait until they give Vincent Brothers the same treatment. Timec will have a kaniption fit.
posted by ChicoEsquela on Dec 15, 2007 at 06:29 PM

but Tookie be doin' chilrens books, teaching inmate redemption

Tookie started Crips and you could say was a "Father of Gangs in America"

Choo gots a problem wif dat?

hijo de tu oy vey..............

posted by cbpersel on Dec 16, 2007 at 04:46 AM
The death penalty should be banned immediately. Why? 1. It is cruel and unusual punishment. 2. It is not fairly distributed. The poor and non-white population are disproportionately represented on death row. 3. There is no connection between the death penalty and lower murder rates. 4. It is more expensive to execute someone than giving them a life sentence. 5. Civilized nations do not execute their citizens. The death penalty is banned in the EU and their murder rate is many times lower than the US. Canada's murder rate is 10x lower than the US and it has no death penalty.
posted by timec on Dec 17, 2007 at 08:16 AM

OLD BLUE

If I am wrong I will be the first to admit it. You just informed me of something that I already had complete knowledge of. I could careless about Tookie Williams. He was a notorious gang member.He was executed.....it was wrong ...but oh well. VB on the other hand is a victim in my opinion.

THANK YOU CBPERSEL!

posted by randomfactor on Dec 17, 2007 at 08:37 AM
Yes, it should be banned.
posted by timec on Dec 17, 2007 at 08:38 AM

John

No comment!

posted by sagefever on Dec 17, 2007 at 08:52 AM
One word:REDEMPTION.
posted by randomfactor on Dec 17, 2007 at 08:57 AM

Two more:  "prosecutorial misconduct."

posted by TomW on Dec 17, 2007 at 10:38 AM
Chico, sorry for saying "pay no attention to".  I should have said "keep in mind while reading".  ;-)
posted by sfinboston52 on Dec 17, 2007 at 11:18 AM
I am surprised that CA hasnt already done away w/ this form of torture.
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