Would you prefer that KC have the lowest rate of putting criminals in jail or prison? Why don't you ask all the victims of crimes first?

Witty retort? That's funny. But I must ask, how's your convicted felon friend Marshal Neal doing so far? Is he sick of bologna sandwiches yet?

My note to you OldBlue is to read the book on the justice system in Bakersfield.  I am a retired law enforcement officer, and I can tell you we not only put more people in jail in this county per capita, but we also put more innocent people in jail and prison, because of the good ol' boy, hang em high, lock up the key attitude we have.  I have known through life that people in a city and or county is as good as the people who run it.  We happen to have a cold hearted, District Attorney that will go to all costs to put someone in jail guilty or not.

You see Mr. Blue, its all about money, we keep federal prisoner at Lerdo, we get a huge check for babysitting them from the federal government.  The jail charges the police dept. money to keep the prisoners that they arrest.

I worked with a victim/witness program for a few years, so don't give me any crapola about how I don't feel for the victims of crimes. You are dead wrong if you feel that way.  What I am concerned with is the attitude the Board of Supervisors has, and the DA, and of course we can't forget our wonderful new Sheriff, who is costing tax payers thousands of dollars for the upcoming trial on murder charges for beating a handcuffed man to death in the basement of the jail.  Then we can't forget the money we will spend on the upcoming trial of the 3 or 4 guards that face drug charges from bringing into the jail drugs, such as pot, meth, and who knows what else selling it to co workers and inmates.

Your uneducated remarks reflect also your IQ, you make fun of a man having to eat bologna sandwiches, well your IQ and stupidity showed me to the point that maybe you otta move into a different trailer park.

Lil' Nubby got out of prison last year after serving about 3 years of a 7 year sentence for a shooting. He also had drug and weapons convictions dating back to 1994.  A police officer is now missing a leg and people here are suggesting that too many people are being sent to prison and for longer sentences than what is fair?    

You are right culvermoon, my comments are based on ignorance and stupidity. I can only imagine what it's like to be as experienced and smart as you. Please post your comments here more frequently. These blogs sorely need more people like you.

And FYI, my trailer is a DOUBLEWIDE. :)

The BPD would much rather see you dead than in incarcerated. I do agree with culver on this one....

Culvermoon:

Just a few observations:

1) Equating your being a prison guard with a full blown 832 Peace Officer is akin to equating Jack Frost Football with the NFL.

2) You should never attend a battle of wits "half armed".  (Especially if your opponent appears to be fully so)

3) Your allusion to reading  "Mean Justice" only serves to show that there are those who will believe anything they read. You can write a book the central theme of which centers around a fat old EB wastrel who killed his wife, disposing of her body in Jawbone Canyon, and there are knuckleheads who will will not only buy and read it (with relish) but utilize it in future to bolster their own lame arguments.

OK now, carry on.......

.....and, viz Timec's timely addition,  "you can often judge the veracity of your argument by the caliber of those voicing agreement..."

Put another way, "birds of a feather, generally  "think"  as one....."

(btw I only wish I could afford a  "double-wide"!  I had to find two used single-wides and spot weld them together. Torched holes in the walls so I can get from one to the other. Its pretty nice though.....)

The other extreme is the courts' catch and release policy, which is an insult to the victims and a dispicable commentary on the next crime that otherwise wouldn't happen. Jails and prisons are not comfortable nor are they meant to be nor should they be. According to what saw on network news, the inmate population reflects longer sentences and the reverse side is a flat crime rate. I do have my criticisms of our justice system, but the first priority should be protecting the public.

uhhhhh....... catpaw......... that should read  "beat and release"

"Mattloched"  that for ya..............

Anyone have any stats on how many innocent people are in jail or prisons in Kern County or even nationwide?

I got some on a recent  "tour" of a jail facility

100% are innocent!

Does that help?

Ahhh Chico..I'm sooo naive.  I should have guessed that.

KC has is jail happy but not because there is more crime, there are many other reasons.

Among them are the plethora of charges a defendant faces when he is arrested, charges they like to throw against the wall hoping something sticks. Another reason is the defense of suspects even in the most benign cases, these are public defenders and out of work attorneys who cannot get real clients so they depend on the County, after all how difficult is it to say” plea bargain” prosecutors like this too because it increases the notches on their guns at judgeship time.

A plus is that law enforcement always arrest strangers, as the never know the suspects their families, or even their neighborhoods except through innuendo and blue line gossip as they themselves live in safe enclaves in undisclosed areas of KC.

And KC’s judges like it as it tags them as tough on crime even though they are handing you a 40,000 dollar tax bill every time they earn their reputation. Of course there are exception such as offspring of the law enforcement family, for that we should be grateful.

We lead the league here in this county for the two and three strike commitments. Just check the Kern County D.A.'s web page for our commitment to incarcerate at the highest level in the state. By my imprecise calculations when you just add the prison population of our state and federal facilities in this  county  we have more  than 23,000 inmates currently behind bars. That is 3% of our total population here in Kern County, and that doesn't include Lerdo, the city lockup, juvenile hall or other miscellaneous detention places in the county.

What is striking to me is that the incarceration numbers on a national level thirty years ago was at about half a million people. We are at four times that figure nationally today, but criminal activity as a percentage has not gone up significantly, nor has it dropped off significantly from that period in time. What have we done? What have we become? We now pay more to lock up people in this state than we do for higher education. California, which led the way in prison reform, and was the ideal other states looked to for almost thirty years as the shining example of what to do, is now an international embarrassment of stupidity regarding prison operations and costs.  We spend nearly nine billion dollars a year on prisons and they are at two times the capacity they were designed to hold.

There is something terribly wrong with our current system of justice and what we consider priorities in society. It is no shock to anyone reading any of the prison statistics that places where poverty is the highest finds the most crime, where people do the most time. If we as a society would only target these areas for better education and job opportunities we might begin to realize some real cost savings and social progress. Until then, tighten up the belt and do with a lot less services, because we'll be paying plenty in tax dollars for keeping people in cages.

"Cages"  Adam, where they only learn to be  "better" criminals!

Emphasis IMHO, should be on violent crime not drugs per se. If the usage of drugs is the reason why they are in stir, so be it. Serve the time for the end result (violent crime) but not just for the drugs.

The trend for the fifty-year period from 1925 through 1974 indicates a series of ups and downs in prisoner populations with an average of 106 per 100,000. Since 1975, however, the rate of incarceration has soared, reaching a high of 478 per 100,000 in the year 2000--over 450 percent of the 1925-1974 average.

And now that 478 per 100,000 has now been doubled since 2,000 since our new incarceration rate is 1,000 per 100,000 people.

In the next 12 years that is expected to more than double to 3,000 per 100,000 and in 25 years it could go as high as 8 to 10,000 incarcerations per 100,000 people based on present trend multipliers.

The implications are enormous since we are enhancing punishments on traditional crimes, adding entire new classes of crimes, and building a monster bureacracy that outspends education and is one of the fastest growing employment sectors in the United States.

That would be tripled actually Kat.

With longer sentences imposed now, the incarceration rate will definitely go up, possibly exponentially as opposed to simply arithmetically. For this and other reasons I think we need to reassess our mandatory sentencing guidelines, especially as regards drug only offenses.

But that's just me...........

Shame, another pro-crime comment. Assembly woman Fuller will hear about this!

I thought it would soften the political impact if I used "more than doubled" instead of tripled. 

Chico, I am certain we will have to take stock of what we are doing just like you say.

Best of luck to us, particularly our children. 

In doing assessments and intakes on clients on probation I always discussed their interest in returning to school.  Even to get  a high school diploma.  Most all of them said they had no desire to go back to school for further education.  A lot of them had graduated high school and still were borderline illiterate in reading and writing skills.  Most of them were content to work as they had been (if at all) and had no higher work desire than working in the oilfields where they made "big money."  ($12-$18 an hour.)  Westec offers free training and yet less than (guessing) 1% of them were even interested.  You can't push a string.

As for drug offenses.  Do any of you have any number (factual) as to how many prisoners are locked up for minor drug use only?  Possession of small amounts only?   Have you looked at their records to see ALL the charges they have?  How many times they've been arrested?

Most of what I see here is oversimplification.  Most of you are looking at the problem from the outside in when you need to have some experience looking at it from the inside.   You won't find people who work inside the system telling people that prisoners are locked up unfairly, or that they aren't given opportunity after opportunity.

Before anyone starts the "cop" argument, I'm not even talking about them.  There are people working in the probation office, the parole office, the gate team where they are assessed and sent into treatment programs, nurses, staff, counselors.  These are people who work with prisoners, probationers, and parolees every day.  These are people who see what you don't.  Talk to them.

I realize this is probably pointless because people just don't understand...and don't really want to.  But, from time to time I try to open that door a crack anyway.

cops are cops and by any other name they are still cop, don't take everyone as being stupid!

Really?  So I'm a cop?  People who work at the Gate are cops?  Other counselors are cops?  Case managers are cops?  Staff who do assessments are cops?

BlueW, spend your time helping out those in your  "hood". You will get more out of that in tangible benefits than castigating those on here who posit  their opinions on crime & punishment.

The more people in hour neighborhood you help out, the fewer there are who will be committing crimes, ergo the reduced need for your enemy (read cops) to have to show up in your AO in the first place!

Start a Neighborhood Watch. You can be Block Captain. If you start helping the cops instead of just complaining about them you might get a better understanding of their perspective.

Volunteer to work at some half-way houses, homeless shelters, etc.

You're a reasonably smart guy. Do some good!

If that doesn't work out for you, you can always revert back to being in the  "anti-cop peanut gallery".

What could it hurt?

Nancy.....very good question, and I did some research, since 1989 there were 212 men on death row released because of being wrongfully convicted. Now mind you Nancy that that is just a death row figure.  The Innocent Project projects nationally around 9 to 12 % per cent are doing time wrongfully convicted.

In Kern county we are way ahead of that average because of the people we have here that love to put people in jail.  Did you know that agriculture used to be the number one money maker for the County. Since 1997, it is now incarceration.  We have more prisons in this  county then in any other county.

If you want to ask about innocent people in this county you might start out asking the Pitts, and all the others that did 20 years of their life as blue 56 makes fun of eating bologna sandwiches, and the witch hunt that Jagels went on in the 80's.

My best friend was picked by our Chief to write the sentencing report on the Pitts case, and when he found out he had sentenced innocent people, he quit his job and became a school teacher. 

By the way it was good to hear from you Nancy, stay out of trouble ok?  Even one innocent man in jail has ruined not only his life but about 30 members of his family and friends.  It is heartbreaking to say the least.

And to you OldBlue56 no hard feelings, I didn't mean to be so rough, but I for 10 years put people in jail and for another 5 years I wrote sentencing reports to Kern County Superior Court Judges, and to this day after my retirement I wonder if I put someone in jail because maybe an officer lied, or something was amiss, and it will always be on my mind.....so to you my friend....Peace.

Nancy the rough estimate of people in jail and prisons for drug use and drug offenses are as high as 80%.  Without a drug problem the state would go broke as we would really only need prisons for child molestors, violent offenders and three strikers.

But as you will know Nancy, if you don't want help with your drug problem by going to rehab, then the habit will coninue to like they say in N.A. jail, prison, or death.

Oh Chico, you are really a speciman.......I have no response you your making fun of law enforcement.  I don't think your too far from a trip to Lerdo. oh that is right you have been there already....how was the water?

Nancy --  Everything you said?   RIGHT ON.

Culver, so are you saying as high as 80% of people encarcerated are there for drug charges only?  Minor offenses?  Sentenced for nothing more than being caught using?  No theft, assaults, selling?  Just plain old using?

As for me staying out of trouble?   It's not as hard as it seems.  I go out of my way to NOT break the law so it's extremely unlikely that I will ever go to prison.

Another question for you folks.  You say Kern County has more prisons than anyplace else and contend that in KC we LOVE to put people away.  What are your stats on KC prison population being actual residents of KC?  Do you have stats showing where those prisoners were sentenced?

When I lived in Tehachapi they gave them a ride to town, and a bus ticket OUT of town.  To stay in the area they had to get special permission and that didn't happen often.  Of course things may have changed, I haven't lived there in many years so maybe with their families moving there to be near them they all just stay in that town.

And knowing Pan there'll be some remark about my superiority (he loves big words) so to clear it up for anyone who doesn't know what I've been doing until two weeks ago....95-98 percent of the people I worked with were through the justice system.  I am VERY strong on drug rehab and also VERY strong on people being arrested for crimes committed.  I believe the ones with drug related charges SHOULD be sent through drug programs but I also do not believe in the revolving door that allows them to get out, commit crimes, go back in, get out,  until they finally decide to stop committing crimes.    I am against legalizing ANY mood altering drug or regulating it.  If anyone has any questions I'm happy to answer them as long as we can keep it civil.

No Nancy, the whole problem of thefts, prostitution, thefts, boosting stores, and selling are All par of the drug culture.  Without a drug habit, you don't have to steal to support a habit, women don't have to sell their bodies for a crack habit and then spread aids.  So without a drug habit, you won't have any other problems.

Take Nevada for instance, legalized prostitution has cut down on all kinds of crime including the spreading of STD"s.  Now when you are sentenced from Kern County, that means you have to parole into the same county you were sentenced in.  I hate to burst your bubble, but yes, Tehachapi releases their prisoners, but if they live in Tehachapi, they have the right to because it is in Kern County as long as they report to their parole officer within 48 hours, do you have any idea how many parolees live in Tehachapi and other places like Lake Isabella?  It's because they want to stay away from parole as much as possible.  Parole Officers don't have the manpower to visit them when they live outside of Bakersfield, but within the confines of the County.

Now I have a feeling you don;'t believe me when I say we have more prisons in this county then in any other county.  They keep the southerners in Southern California, and the Northerners in Northern Calif.  We have two or three prison here just in this county that are receiving facilities. One in Wasco, and I believe two in Delano.  All of those prisoners usually go to prisons in Kern County.  We have a level one prison right here in the middle of town, we have Shafter, Delano we have 3 prisons, Tehachapi, Wasco, and numerous CCF's which are basically for low risk level one prisoners.  Inmates are graded on points and that tells where and what level that prisoner is going to.  In ALL prisons, there has to be a level one yard, they are the ones that do all the work in the prison because they are low risk prisoners.  Prisons like Tehachapi is a level one, three and four prison.  Level 3 and 4 prisoners find the daylight 2 hours a day.  So in all prisons level ones are a must or else nobody can work in the laundry room, kitchen or other places.

You people really don't think I know what I am talking about.  That is why whoever started this blog thing was asking for trouble. All's I see on these blogs are a bunch of people who are guessing and ranting and raving about how their opinion and only their opinion counts, which in turn just creates arguments.  I suggest Nancy and the rest of you type in CDC google it, you will count the prisons just in this county and you will see I am right.  You people just don't understand, people in prison makes money for the county they come from, its that simple.  About 20 years ago, they took away indeterminate sentencing, they also said prison is now punishment and not rehab, so we just train people to be better criminals when released.

I really don't care to read your silly questions, just look it up yourself if you don;t believe me.  My experience in the court system, as a drug counselor and a Deputy Probation Officer you would think I know what I am talking about.

Also another fact, we have an average of 300 deaths per year in the Calif. Dept. of Corrections.  Those 300 people would include suicides, stabbings, guards falling asleep at the wheel driving home after working a 16 hour shift then a double back, so we lose that many people per year. 

I hate to inform you of this Nancy but you said you were against any drug that was mood altering.....hmmmm don't you know that any drug you put down your throat including aspirin affects your affects your body?  So your against that too.  I hope you have major surgery and I would expect you to say no to morphine of course, and then pain relievers you take at home......man you got more nerve then I thought.  You are a hero if you can stand that much pain......think about it........OUT

Nancy they didn't need special permission to live in Tehachapi, they have that right too as long as they live in this county.....wow I thought you knew what you were talking about. Yes they bus them out of town to Bakersfield, after that if their residence is in Tehachapi then they don;'t need any type of permission to live there.  They just have to tell their parole officer where they live, as long as Tehachapi is in this county and the last time I checked it still is......you have no idea how many child molestors move to Tehachapi, just cause they know they wont be checked on if they lived in Bakersfield. I don't know where you got this information but you are dead wrong.  Wow sometime you people really amaze me, really, really amaze me.

Geezuz..I didn't say anything of the kind.  I SAID when I lived there many years ago people who did not live in that town were not released there.  I SAID it may have changed a lot since families now move there to be near their incarcerated person.

Aspirin is NOT mood altering, it is an analgesic.  I thought YOU knew that.  I SAID I'm against legalizing all mood altering drugs and only someone  who wants to argue would take that to mean medically prescribed morphine (which is legal already when prescribed) given for surgery.  My thyroid med goes down my throat and affects my body too but it doesn't alter my mood or my brain.  I also did NOT say or suggest we don't have more prisons than any other county.   Where did you get THAT idea?  I asked if you, or anyone, had stats on how many of those prisoners were actually KC residents.  Outside their current address that is.  I KNOW how many prisons we have here.  And it IS big business.

I did NOT dispute your experience and as for my "silly questions", I have no intention of looking them up because you are the one making all the statements about how things are.  You came on here ranting about all manner of things and I pulled your covers on it by asking questions.  If they are silly to you then that's a sad thing since people learn from other peoples questions and answers.  For you to get snotty about it and be disparaging benefits no one.

Contrary to YOUR belief, you aren't the only one who worked with the court system and probation.  I may not have a lot of personal experience when it comes to prisons themselves but I'm hardly a novice in the field.

Oh..and by the way... I did have major surgery a few years ago and used the morphine pump 3-4 times before having a family member bring me extra strength Tylenol.  Maybe I was lucky, maybe I have a high tolerance for pain but in any case, I didn't like the morphine and opioids make me sick.  Nerve has nothing to do with it.  And my experience with surgery has nothing to do with this discussion.

Now..take a reading comprehension class.

Billionairebartley, your comment about not many intelligent people becoming law enforcement officers shows your personal bias, and ignorance. But that's so typical.

Probation Officers have to have a 4 year education......I keep forgetting where I am.....here in Bakersfield, is a whole different country then the rest of America......amen and out.

Sorry, but anything you put down your throat that has any kind of chemicals in it affects the central nervous system, alcohol and all that legal crap. 

Culvermoon....

Ha! I get it! Irony!

"4 year education"...."different...then"

Ha!

All this time I thought you were serious... 

Just an observation...

Kern County incarceration rates could be a result of aggressive law enforcement.

That is:  Kern County law enforcement Officers are locking up criminals officers in other departments would "Catch & Release" or not catch at all.  In many busy departments officers simply look the other way on less-than-violent offenses due to high workload, local politics, or just plain laziness.  Judging by the level of violent crime, drug use and graffiti here in Kern County, the law enforcement officers still have a long way to go.

KATATAK-

Above you wrote:   "...The implications are enormous since we are enhancing punishments on traditional crimes, adding entire new classes of crimes, and building a monster bureaucracy that outspends education and is one of the fastest growing employment sectors in the United States."

And of couse, we have a right to support them.  Or is that an obligation?  They commit crimes against us and we take care of them.  I've always been in favor of putting them to work.

Curt

You are correct

Look at LAPD stats

Code 9's

Too much paper and time spent making sure of PC

Not even cite & release!

Actually Culver, you're too {edit} to realize what kind of  "tour" I was referring to. My comments are in support of LE. Just not  "almost cops"!

And if you and your comments are any example of a real 832 Peace Officer and not just some Prison or Jail Guard, then we indeed are all in trouble!

I don't live in Kern BTW.

You need a program (to keep up)

Or some convolutions in your cranial cortex.............

(I imagine yours looks just like a cue ball)

Normal cerebral cortex.

That of CulverMoon.

Actually, it does resemble a  "moon" doesn't it?

(except even  "smoother")

Curt, thanks for your critique. You rung the alarms that are starting to go off about our law enforcement policies.

Oh, and BTW, why don't those inmate laborers get min wage?

After all, it  will trickle up to the rest of society

Will help out the  "loved ones"  too!

SHERIFF JOE IS AT IT AGAIN!

Update on Joe Arpaio

 
Oh, there's MUCH more to know about Sheriff Joe!

Maricopa County was spending approx. $18 million dollars a year on stray animals, like cats and dogs.  Sheriff Joe offered to take the department over, and the County Supervisors said okay.   The animal shelters are now all staffed and operated by prisoners.  They feed and care for the strays.  Every animal in his care is taken out and walked twice daily.  He now has prisoners who are experts in animal nutrition and behavior.  They give great classes for anyone who'd like to adopt an animal.  He has literally taken stray dogs off the street, given them to the care of prisoners, and had them place in dog shows.   The best part?  His budget for the entire department is now under $3 million. Teresa and I adopted a Weimaraner from a Maricopa County shelter two years ago.  He was neutered, and current on all shots, in great health, and even had a microchip inserted the day we got him.  Cost us $78.   
The prisoners get the benefit of about $0.28 an hour for working, but most would work for free, just to be out of their cells for the day.  Most of his budget is for utilities, building maintenance, etc.  He pays the prisoners out of the fees collected for adopted animals.   I have long wondered when the rest of the country would take a look at the way he runs the jail system, and copy some of his ideas. He has a huge farm, donated to the county years ago, where inmates can work, and they grow most of their own fresh vegetables and food, doing all the work and harvesting by hand.  He has a pretty good sized hog farm, which provides meat, and fertilizer. It fertilizes the Christmas tree nursery, where prisoners work, and you can buy a living Christmas tree for $6 - $8 for the Holidays, and plant it later.  We have six trees in our yard from the Prison.   Yup, he was reelected last year with 83% of the vote. Now h e's in trouble with the ACLU again.  He painted all his buses and vehicles with a mural, that has a special hotline phone number painted on it, where you can call and report suspected illegal aliens. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement wasn't doing enough in his eyes, so he had 40 deputies trained specifically for enforcing immigration laws, started up his hotline, and bought 4 new buses just for hauling folks back to the border.  He's kind of a 'Git-R Dun' kind of Sheriff.   TO THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO

HE IS THE MARICOPA ARIZONA COUNTY SHERIFF

AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER   THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY:
Sheriff Joe Arpaio (In Arizona ) who created the ' Tent City Jail':
He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.

He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails. Took away their weights Cut off all but 'G' movies.

He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects.

Then He Started Chain Gangs For Women So He Wouldn't Get Sued For Discrimination.

He took away cable TV Until he found out there was A Federal Court Order that Required Cable TV For Jails So He Hooked Up The Cable TV Again Only Let In The Disney Channel And The Weather Channel.

When asked why the weather channel He Replied, So They Will Know How Hot It's Gonna Be While They Are Working ON My Chain Gangs.

He Cut Off Coffee Since It Has Zero Nutritional Value.

When the inmates complained, he told them, 'This Isn't The Ritz/Carlton.....If Yo u Don't Like It, Don't Come Back.'

He bought Newt Gingrich's lecture series on videotape that he pipes into the jails.

When asked by a reporter if he had any lecture series by a Democrat, he replied that a democratic lecture series might explain why a lot of the inmates were in his jails in the first place.

More On The Arizona Sheriff:

With Temperatures Being Even Hotter Than Usual In Phoenix (116 Degrees Just Set A New Record), the Associated Press Reports: About 2,000 Inmates Living In A Barbed-Wire-Surrounded Tent Encampment At The Maricopa County Jail Have Been Given Permission To Strip Down To Their Government-Issued Pink Boxer Shorts.

On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138 Degrees Inside The Week Before.

Many Were Also Swathed In Wet, Pink Towels As Sweat Collected On Their Chests And Dripped Down To Their PINK SOCKS.

'It Feels Like We Are In A Furnace,' Said James Zanzot, An Inmate Who Has Lived In The TENTS for 1 year. 'It's Inhumane.'

Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. He said Wednesday that he told a ll of the inmates: 'It's 120 Degrees In Iraq And Our Soldiers Are Living In Tents Too, And They Have To Wear Full Battle Gear, But They Didn't Commit Any Crimes,So Shut Your Damned Mouths!'

Way To Go, Sheriff!   Maybe if all prisons were like this one there would be a lot less crime and/or repeat offenders. Criminals should be punished for their crimes - not live in luxury until it's time for their parole, only to go out and commit another crime so they can get back in to live on taxpayers money and enjoy things taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves.

If you agree, pass this on. If not, just delete it.

Sheriff Joe was just reelected Sheriff in Maricopa County, Arizona

Damn good ID!

Let them damn inmates husband them dogs!

Teach em some respect, responsibility, and about unconditional love

Teach em about whut happens  "behind the red door"  too

(oh thats right! they ain't got no red door down there anymore -- sorry)

prisioners rights....isnt that an oxymoron

funny thing....didnt the prisioner violate somebody elses rights to get where they are??

and the sick and twisted part about it is this:  in a round about way...the victims of crimes, through taxes, pay for the subsistance of the criminal while in JAIL!!!

again...please show me in any lawbook ANYWHERE where it is a given right, as an adult, to be a financial burden on every single taxpayer in the country?

BTW Californian...you just can't leave the law enforcement alone can you?  always gotta hound em for something.  now its cause they are doing their job too well??

and how nice is it to espouse these views anonymously, so there wouldnt be any  "discrimination" when, say, you get gang raped?

COME OOOOOOON  californian

again...please show me in any lawbook ANYWHERE where it is a given right, as an adult, to be a financial burden on every single taxpayer in the country?

I think that is the DNC Manifesto

Actually............................

 right along with socialism......the new DNC is the republicans...there is no two party deal anymore....there are now socialists, and liberals.......

sadly...conservativism is slowly sinking in the brand new worlds of the 2 PC's....political correctness, and political corruption

 Wouldn't go that far, learnem, but there's precious little separating the RNC and the D*L*C.  Both Fascists in the Mussolini sense.

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Conservativism is authoritarianism--Fascism in the Stalinist sense.

 ...just like the ol' USSR except there's one more political party...

conservatives believe in capitalism....thats far from authoritarianism, even more, fascism, by allowing to sell freedom of expression (if it sells)

exactly how do you think conservatism, mostly being a fiscally responsible, god-fearing, morally upstanding person , equaling authoritarianism, much less fascism???