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talkofthetown - > Talk of the Town -> Should we keep the penny?
Should we keep the penny?
There is a wire report out that says folks are once again debating whether we should give the noble penny the heave-ho.

Apparently it actually costs more than a penny to make each penny these days.

I love the penny as much as the next guy, but I think I could live without the little copper fella. I end up dumping them into a jar anyway and when I take them in to those coin counters at the grocery story they barely are worth the trip.

What do you think? Should we scrap the penny?
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posted by talkofthetown on Tuesday, June 27, 2006 at 07:56 PM
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posted by anonymous on Jun 27, 2006 at 11:43 PM
I think that'd be a definite sign of inflation when a penny isn't even worth production anymore in our country. 

Ah well.  Guess I'd better start saving 'em for when they are eradicated...collector's pieces, you know. 
posted by dgrealish on Jun 28, 2006 at 11:32 AM

It costs more to produce than it's worth.  That's arguement enough for me for saying goodbye to the penny.

posted by CurtDalton on Jun 28, 2006 at 12:23 PM
I vote we keep the penny...

I absolutely HATE pennies but I always have a huge stockpile of them at home and in my car just for the panhandlers!   I figure any panhandler who turns down pennies isn't as broke as they make themselves out to be! 
Someone who really IS hungary appreciates the pennies.

Let me be clear, when I give my pennies to the panhandlers, it's about three to four bucks worth so if they truly are in need, they won't bitch about it!
posted by wlwedd on Jun 29, 2006 at 12:38 PM
When I visted Holland some years ago, they had already done away with their equivalent 1 cent piece.  Prices still reflected pennies, such as 1.98 for an item, but they merchants rounded to the nearest nickel, so you actually paid 2.00.  That seemd strange, to pay MORE, until I saw a price 1.97, and they only collected 1.95.  So while an individual item may cost you a couple of extra cents, in the long run it ends up evening out.  And no pennies to throw in my ashtray!
posted by patblue1947 on Jun 29, 2006 at 02:09 PM
I personally found a place for pennies.  I collect them from anywhere and everywhere and then donate them to the Bakersfield Homeless Shelter.  I have a can on my desk labeled "Pennies for the Poor" and many of my co-workers come by and drop off their pennies as well.
posted by Shandoodle on Jul 5, 2006 at 11:02 AM
I think we need the penny because,  what would u do if you were getting change for 5.01, those pennies add up...in piggy banks and 'cans' for charities. however, perhaps we could just make it more cost effective to make them!
posted by DoctorMason on Dec 27, 2006 at 11:16 AM

Forget worrying about the penny and worry about whether you should be keeping dollars! Go google "dumping us dollars" and learn for yourself that the DOLLAR is DEAD around the world!

Your best bet is to purchase Euros while you can at todays prices.

posted by ProgressivePete2 on Dec 27, 2006 at 11:22 AM
Why are we having a discussion about pennies when the Nickel is possibly the worst coin ever made.

Don't get rid of the penny. 100 of them still make a dollar.
posted by DoctorMason on Dec 29, 2006 at 11:33 AM

Dear ProgressivePete2

Exactly what is a "dollar", anyway? The rapidly falling value of it is shocking when you travel outside the USA. Your photo says you remember the days when a "dollar" was backed by precious metals. Today's "dollar" is a federal reserve note, much like my house note and car notes, which are all iou's. Do you remember when a nickel was made of nickel? Since most of the world thinks the dollar is dead and now prefer the euro, shouldn't we also be concerned?

posted by TomW on Dec 29, 2006 at 11:42 AM
This argument comes up every few years and always gets tossed aside.  I'm not a believer in the ha' penny and we seem to be doing fine without it.  The big problem with pennies is that they are worth so little that we need to keep making them.  Imagine if everyone took all their old pennies and turned them in.  We'd have enough for years.

That said, I think that now that metals cost has fallen somewhat, the penny is profitable again.
posted by AudreyB on Dec 29, 2006 at 11:43 AM

Let's keep the penny and throw the dollar away.   We would spend less friviously.

posted by TomW on Dec 29, 2006 at 11:47 AM
Nice one Audrey.
posted by ProgressivePete2 on Dec 29, 2006 at 12:05 PM
Dr. Mason, That's not me in the picture, and I'm nowhere close to that old. I do see your point. It seems that the value of the dollar went down with the world opinion of the US. With our huge debts to the biggest communist country left, (China) I don't see how we can continue this trend and still be able to put food on the table.
posted by NancyII on Dec 29, 2006 at 12:21 PM
I have a bucket full of pennies..I figure they will supplement my old age pension if I stay on a tight budget.  (cough)
posted by NancyII on Dec 29, 2006 at 12:57 PM
By the way..I'm off until Wed so you guys are STUCK with me...bwwwaaaahahahahaha
posted by ProgressivePete2 on Dec 29, 2006 at 01:11 PM
Nooooooooooooooo! Not so soon after X-mas Nancy! 
posted by ProgressivePete2 on Dec 29, 2006 at 01:14 PM
Jason, I resized text to medium and it cut off the rest of the post. It's either firefox doing it or some sort of text formatting issue. The same html type page with one line of text popped up for a half second.

Here's what cut off let's see if it does it again.

; )
Does that mean we have to be nice to each other too?
posted by NancyII on Dec 29, 2006 at 01:14 PM

Yessssssssss..it's your GIFT...   :-)  You lucky devil you.

(edited) Was that last for me..being nice I mean?   Nahhhh...CHRISTMAS is over and Santa hasn't started keeping track yet.

posted by Hardliner4freedom on Dec 29, 2006 at 01:19 PM

Pete wrote,

posted by Hardliner4freedom on Dec 29, 2006 at 01:19 PM

Pete wrote, "Jason, I resized text to medium and it cut off the rest of the post. It's either firefox doing it or some sort of text formatting issue. The same html type page with one line of text popped up for a half second. "

Yes, Jason, when is that fix coming along?  :-)

Pete, I managed to grab screen captures of that momentary flash that you have seen.  The development team has them now.

It shouldn't be difficult to fix.  The bug is easily and reliably repeatable.  Just sign off, write a post with an embedded format change, and submit it.  After being asked to sign in, the screen flashes momentarily with the text that is in the process of being dropped.

Repeatable bugs are the easiest ones to find.

[See post immediately above for an example.  It's this post, being cut off at the point where I made a color change.]

posted by NancyII on Dec 29, 2006 at 01:22 PM

You guys are talking greek to me.  But that's ok..as long as you guys know what you're talking about that's all we need.

Now..someone tell me how to put pictures in someones elses blog.  I can do in on mine but not on any other.

posted by ProgressivePete2 on Dec 29, 2006 at 01:25 PM
Nancy, They're just common bugs that we run across and we're trying to help "the team" fix them. It's really annoying to have a long post get cut off because you're trying to emphasize something. If it hasn't happened to you, just wait. It will.
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Dec 29, 2006 at 01:30 PM

First, Nancy, the picture that you want to embed in a blog comment has to have a URL (an "http:" link).  There are two ways to do this:

Find a picture of your liking on the Web and copy the URL, or upload an image of your choosing to your own blog space using "Upload media."

If you use the Upload Media, the next step after you upload it is to go to the Show Pictures page, and copy the URL of the image as it's stored in your blog space.  Mouse over the name, right-click, and do "Copy Shortcut."

Then use the Insert/Edit Image button inside the Leave A Comment box (the little yellow button with the mountain inside), and paste the URL into the appropriate input box.

Watch your Rook!

posted by NancyII on Dec 29, 2006 at 01:33 PM

I don't change colors or font in posts...I just plug along.  Besides I very rarely hit that post button before saving it.  I've learned my lesson by golly.  About as adventuresome as I get is to use bold or underline.

Now..about that ability to post pictures..please don't tell me I have to use html.  I haven't done that since I used to have to do it selling on ebay.

(edited)  ok ok ok..http...I forgot my h's

posted by TomW on Dec 29, 2006 at 01:34 PM
Nancy, if the picture is already on the web somewhere like a photobucket account, just drag and drop it in the text window.  If not, just use the button that looks like a mountain range w/ the sun behind it.  Then you have to upload it to the server and go from there.
posted by NancyII on Dec 29, 2006 at 01:36 PM
Sooooo..it IS like I used to have to do.  I guess I still have that account on AOL.  Ebay developed the ability for you to pull your pics just like you do here with the browse feature.  The other way is too much trouble.  Or I'm to  lazy.  :-)
posted by jasonsperber on Dec 29, 2006 at 02:09 PM

 Nancy, I just dragged your profile pic into this comment.  Uploading a picture from your computer into your Bakersfield.com "My Media" folder, where it will then have a URL that you can copy and paste as Pete described, isn't much harder.  Neither require you to know HTML.

Pete, H4F, and Tom, thanks for the tech-question pitching in, as usual.  :)  And I know you hate to hear this from me, but re: the format-change-leading-to-text-truncation problem, "we're working on it!"  (Really, we are--along with a whole bunch of new features and products that you'll love, trust me.)  But your help on figuring out problems is priceless, and what interactivity and community is all about.

Pete, one last thing--you read Tom's description of the problem, right?  Were you logged out at the time you made the formatting change and then submitted?  Thanks!

posted by Hardliner4freedom on Dec 29, 2006 at 02:12 PM

Joe, I never thought about the ole' simple drag-and-drop.  That's what I get for always doing things the hard way.

 

posted by jasonsperber on Dec 29, 2006 at 02:23 PM
H4F, who's "Joe"?
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Dec 29, 2006 at 02:28 PM
Well, you called me Pete and then Tom, so I thought I'd call you Joe.  :-)
posted by jasonsperber on Dec 29, 2006 at 02:32 PM
Why Hardliner, whatever do you mean?  :)
posted by ProgressivePete2 on Dec 29, 2006 at 02:39 PM
Jason, I don't think I was logged on yet. We'll say that's a yes.

Thanks for the picture posting tips guys. I've been unable to do that sofar, but was too proud to ask.


<a href=http://www.toaster.org/card... />
posted by ProgressivePete2 on Dec 29, 2006 at 02:40 PM
Does it always have to include the url or is there some way to hide that?
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Dec 29, 2006 at 02:46 PM

I've never had the URL appear like that.

It looks like we found another bug?

posted by jasonsperber on Dec 29, 2006 at 02:51 PM

Glad that worked out for you, Pete.  And by the way, that formatting-truncation-while-logged-out problem is fixed in beta, the fix will go live with the next roll-out of updates (early Jan. probably).

Re: the url showing up next to your pic in the comment--what method did you use, the drag-and-drop?  That's weird.  Didn't appear on the pic of Nancy's logo I dragged over, nor in the pic H4F embedded.  But I know I've seen the phenomenon here recently.  Hmmm... 

posted by jasonsperber on Dec 29, 2006 at 03:18 PM

Okay, is this what happened, Pete?

Did you embed the picture via the "insert/edit image" button in this RTE?  (The little mountain thingie.)  If so, did you paste the URL of the picture in both the field marked "URL" and the field directly below it marked "alternative text"?

posted by NancyII on Dec 29, 2006 at 03:22 PM

Hey Pete..all it takes is a blonde to ask for you.  Saves face and no one expects her to know without asking.

By the way..what little mountain thingy..where ae you finding that?

Jason..you're aiding and abetting a highjacking ya know.  For shame.

posted by NancyII on Dec 29, 2006 at 03:19 PM
<a href=Hmmm..all I did was right click..copy..paste.  When I've done that in the past it ends up with the little red x in a box.
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Dec 29, 2006 at 03:29 PM

Mountain thingie:

thingie

posted by jasonsperber on Dec 29, 2006 at 03:32 PM

<a href=Okay, in the Leave A Comment box, a.k.a. "the rich text editor" or RTE, in the second line of icons, second from the right, that's the "little mountain thingie," a.k.a. "insert/edit image."

As for hi-jacking, well...  This is site business, isn't it?  :)  And it's my job to help folks use the site?  :)  And plus, the original post is from 6/27, the thread went thru 7/5, and got revived 2 days ago, so, well...

As for why it didn't work for you before, that might have been before we rolled out 2.0.  (Tom, when did you start doing the drag-n-drop vs. the "insert image button" method?)

posted by jasonsperber on Dec 29, 2006 at 03:33 PM
Dang H4F, you're too fast for me, and what skillz, yo!  You trying to take my job or something?  :)
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Dec 29, 2006 at 03:34 PM

Just bein' helpful.

Don't worry; your job is secure.  I lack the pages and pages and pages of formal qualifications needed to even be considered for any IT job there.

posted by ProgressivePete2 on Dec 29, 2006 at 03:35 PM
Nice screen cap H4F. Jason, I just dragged-n-dropped it from another site ( I guess that's obvious). I tried doing the insert/edit thing and it just seemed like too much trouble. Especially if it's only a picture of toast.


posted by ProgressivePete2 on Dec 29, 2006 at 03:36 PM
Yep, it's the sign in thing that cuts off comments. It cut off this picture since I wasn't logged on. Lucky for you I didn't close the other window.  You might just regret showing me how to put pics in.


The image “<a href=http://www.aeb.org/Recipes/... cannot be displayed, because it contains errors." />
posted by jasonsperber on Dec 29, 2006 at 03:58 PM

Pete, I think we're safe with your pictures of toast in all its myriad variations.  :)  We're still trying to figure out why the url html tags are bleeding through when you drag-n-drop, though.  :(

And didn't you and H4F see what I wrote earlier?  "And by the way, that formatting-truncation-while-logged-out problem is fixed in beta, the fix will go live with the next roll-out of updates (early Jan. probably)."  I've been playing with it/testing it in beta--it works.  It just won't be on the live site just this second.  And anyway, it's probably a good idea to make sure you're logged in to your account right when you open up the site, before you start blogging/commenting.

BTW, I'm told that we always had drag-n-drop capability, so Nancy, I don't know why you weren't able to do it successfully before.

And H4F, dude, if you really wanna work somewhere, it doesn't hurt to apply even if the published prerequisites are a mile long--if the folks doing the hiring like what they see on paper enough to schedule an interview, you can always explain and negotiate then.  Sometimes those things are more wish lists than litmus tests.  (Sometimes not, but still...)  As for me and this particular job, this is not an IT job--if it was, this former high school social studies teacher turned blogger wouldn't be here! 

posted by Hardliner4freedom on Dec 29, 2006 at 04:02 PM

I sure did see it, Jason.  I just felt the urge to show off.  :-)

 

posted by ProgressivePete2 on Dec 29, 2006 at 04:03 PM
I'm soooooo glad you fixed it. You're right it doesn't hurt to apply, but in my experiences here in this town, if you don't have the "on paper" qualifications they won't give you the time of day.

BTW, does anyone else see the humor in the url html tag that says the image can't be displayed? I laughed when I read that.

The image “<a href=http://louisville.edu/~acmu... cannot be displayed, because it contains errors." />
posted by jasonsperber on Dec 29, 2006 at 04:04 PM
Then why'd you take it down?  (That was you, right?)  :)
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Dec 29, 2006 at 04:07 PM

Yep...  Some things I just don't like leaving posted for long -- only long enough for the intended target to read it.  :-)

Apologies for the digs at the Californian's hiring policies, but employers who erect silly and arbitrary barriers have always been a pet peeve in my craw -- even though I'm not currently in the job market.

Some bright yet inexperienced kid somewhere is.

posted by AudreyB on Dec 29, 2006 at 04:25 PM

Mountain thingie******

All of this technical jargon makes my head spin!

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