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talkofthetown - > Talk of the Town -> Are newspapers important to you?
Are newspapers important to you?
I've been a reporter for 36 years, but trends in the last 15 years or so — accelerated in the last few years — show that people are leaving newspapers in droves.

Some major newspapers in the U.S. are up for sale, including the Los Angeles Times,  and there hasn't been a huge rush to buy them.

Paid circulation is declining as readers — probably like you because you're here — gravitate to the Internet.

As a result, newspapers like The Californian are increasing their web presence — continuous updated news, blogs, video, audio and a host of other products designed to engage the public.  Citizen journalism in which readers write and submit photos is increasingly a part of the paper and the web.

At last report, The Californian's circulation has been holding steady or increasing slightly, but that's in the context of a fast-growing city.

I am personally amazed that once mainstay readers such as teachers, government workers and other professionals just don't take the newspaper anymore.

One major newspaper has assigned investigative reporters to find out what readers want.

The question is do you still find value in newspapers? Do they need to change so you will?

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posted by tkozy on Oct 31, 2006 at 07:26 AM

Yes,

If the paper boy misses a delivery. Or I wake before it comes. The paper on the net will do. But I do like the news in my hand. It makes the news seem closer to my life. It gives a reality that can’t come from the net or the airways.

The net is great for research. Once you have found reliable sources. (Which in most cases will be a online newspaper.)

But great care has to be taken when accepting net news as the truth. Email hoax and fakes. Have been a big problem in establishing net dedication to the truth..

Wikepedia? Just another YouTube or My Space. A fun place. But not yet reliable..

posted by NancyII on Oct 31, 2006 at 07:42 AM
I google most everything.  Your're right about there being a wealth of information out there and you can aways find something that will make your argument seem legitimate.  On either side..just so you know I'm not singling anyone out.

Email is something I take with a grain of salt and a trip to snopes.  Or google.  I don't forward material without checking it out first and I don't forward "events" without checking it out.  One example was the tennis court on top of the hotel in Dubai.  And the ski palace.  I thought.."no way" but it turned out to be true.  and how about the sheik (or whatever) building that palm tree shaped island?

Those guys have  more money than they have sense.

Back to topic.  I read the news on line and take the weekend paper only.  I enjoy the Sunday paper as I did when I was a kid except I don't read the funnies anymore.  I check ads if I'm about to make a purchase (like now..I need a cook stove) and I keep the two crossword puzzles for later.  I check on real estate and the money section.  And Parade..can't forget that..and the questions & answers in the entertainment section.  The Saturday paper is about only good for the hometown sports section.

Yup..I need my physical paper a couple of times a week.
posted by randomfactor on Oct 31, 2006 at 08:17 AM
I stopped my subscription to the Californian when they dumped the Doonesbury comic strip.  Want to get back a full-time subscriber?  Bring Trudeau's work back.  
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I still buy the Sunday paper but won't even subscribe Sunday-only...
posted by ProgressivePete2 on Oct 31, 2006 at 08:21 AM
The only time I read the actual paper is when I see one sitting around or if I get one free from the people trying to get me to subscribe. I flat out refuse to pay 50 cents for a paper that small. There just isn't all that much content inside. The entire paper is only slightly bigger than the front section of the LA Times. I read a few stories online, but most of my news is from other sources that I consider more reliable. I do enjoy reading the editorials only for the horror factor. Some of them are so poorly written, it's a wonder some of these people can dress themselves in the morning.
posted by TomW on Oct 31, 2006 at 08:28 AM
The only time I check the paper is to track stories, and I usually do that here: http://www.newseum.org/toda...

Other than that, I get all my news online from CNN, Fox, CNN Ticker, DailyKos.com, and political polling updates from TPM Cafe.
posted by robinislost on Oct 31, 2006 at 08:29 AM
The newspaper is the most important thing in my life. What would I be without it? Where would my life go without it? I just don't know how things are going to work out with the newspaper business, but it worries me. I want to work for a newspaper when I'm older, and I want it to be a real newspaper; I don't want to work for some place that only produces news on the Internet.

I prefer to read the paper rather than the Internet because it's just more fun for me. I don't even know how to explain it. Sometimes I will read something off the Internet because I haven't gotten my paper yet, but it's not the same as reading it straight out of the paper. When I go out of town, I have to have a newspaper from the city I'm in. I am a newspaper addict and I don't care who thinks I'm weird. (The kids my age think I'm a freak.)

Now, if only I could get my Californian delivery guy to deliver my paper to the house instead of the end of the driveway...
posted by dgrealish on Oct 31, 2006 at 08:31 AM

Sure I subscribe.  And I pay in advance, but I'm not seeing the advantage to that so much anymore.  The press pass is being dropped at the places I frequent, so I'm going to have to re-think that strategy next time my bill comes.  There are a few benefits to subscribing that you don't get on-line.  And I still enjoy the sound and smell of the newspaper with my coffee in the morning.  Old habits die hard, I guess. 

posted by koztarr on Oct 31, 2006 at 08:38 AM
  "The question is do you still find value in newspapers? Do they need to change so you will"

The value to me is the PressPass.  Without the discount at TooFats [which yearly pays for my subscription], I would drop TBC.  On the rare occasions the paper is delivered before 6:30 I enjoy a cup of tea and browsing through the paper.  Later delivery is next to useless.  The net has so much more. 
posted by tkozy on Oct 31, 2006 at 08:40 AM

Yes, Bring back Doonesbury.. That was most definitely a bad move. Although I subscribe to the newspaper. I never look through the comics or the ads contained in their section anymore.

No reason to look. I know Doonesbury is not there..

posted by robbwillis on Oct 31, 2006 at 08:42 AM
Can't do without those whacky letters to the editor. I'm on the computer all day, so reading a newspaper online is too much like work. Nice to hear the LA Times is going under!
posted by CheshireCat on Oct 31, 2006 at 09:09 AM

Making up the news

 

For a number of months now I have been following the popular press reporting of what many had come to refer as the “housing bubble”.  I have had a number of e-mail exchanges with the some of the reporters as well as some of the people who have housing bubble blog sites.  While I don’t expect much in the way of professional integrity from blog site people, I have believed in the mainstream press.  Given my experience following this topic, however, I have come to the conclusion that there are biased writers and reporters in the print media who are working at portraying a “housing bubble burst” story when, according to top academic institutions, none exists.

 

An example is a story that recently appeared in the San Diego Union.  In actuality, it was more  fair in it’s representation than other examples I can cite but it still focused on the negative over the positive aspects of the data.

 

The headline for this story was “Other indicators point to housing market that has weakened somewhat after boom”.

http://www.signonsandiego.c...

 

Buried in the article was a paragraph that pointed out that an all-time new high sales price for resale housing was reached for the month of May in San Diego. 

 

 The article stated, “By contrast, DataQuick said resale house prices actually rose to a new record of $569,500 last month, up $14,500 from April and up $19,500 from May 2005. Resale condos rose $2,000 from April to $397,000, just shy of the all-time record of $400,000 set in March.”

 

While new home sales figures have been followed these past months and years, most of the previous “scare” talk has centered around the average Joe’s home and how they were going to be ruined in resale transactions.  In addition, San Diego has been talked about for months as a prime example of an area with high possibilities of a housing bust.

 

Re-sales of existing homes make up about 85 percent of all housing sales and new home sales are less than 15% of the entire market. So here we have news that the San Diego housing market was showing strength and the headline plus the text belabors the negative side of the data by focusing on new home sales. The real story would appear to be that resale prices have in fact increased in San Diego when many have said they would drop.

 

There is also a negative connotation given to data which may be generated by building industry people.  In the San Diego Union story the writer says, “Industry leaders are grasping for ways to give a positive spin to the trends.”  No such commentary is made when book writing/bookselling Robert Shiller is quoted.  The fact that he has been prognosticating – “spinning” if you will -- a housing bust story for years now is frequently not mentioned. 

 

The respected LA Times covered this information in a story by Annette Haddad.  Early into the article she said, “The air is finally coming out of San Diego County's housing bubble.” as if to set the theme for her story.  Nowhere in her article does she point out that resale homes in San Diego set a new all-time high.  She mixes and matches the data to make her case and conveniently makes no mention of this important information. http://www.latimes.com/busi...

 

Other studies have also been under-reported such as Pomona College’s analysis which indicated that “fears of a real estate bubble are overblown, and homes remain undervalued in many markets.”  Their findings question the implicit assumption that market prices previously matched fundamental values but now have exceeded them. The Pomona College researchers question the methodology by which some others have concluded that the housing market is "bubbly." The report notes that "housing-bubble discussions generally rely on indirect barometers such as rapidly increasing prices, unrealistic expectations of future price increases, and rising ratios of housing price indexes to household income indexes. These indirect measures cannot answer the key question of whether housing prices are justified by the anticipated cash flow."

http://www.collegenews.org/...

 

The Harvard study recently released was finally given some press coverage as they pointed out – as they also did in their 2005 study – that the “housing bubble” issue was overblown.

http://www.jchs.harvard.edu...

 

One news source that immediately reported on the Harvard study was London’s Financial Times.  They pointed out that, "After the slump of the early 1990s and the surge of the past five years, the housing market might prove an anti-climax to all concerned. The long period of stagnation forecast by the survey would disappoint home-owners who expect big price rises but also those who missed the boat and have been hoping for a crash." (Emphasis added)

 

Another under-reported study was international and global and was done by the highly respected Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development.  In this study of 30 countries the researchers concluded that the United States was not susceptible to a housing bubble.  This important study received very little press in the United States.

http://www.oecd.org/dataoec...

 

 

A welcome press exception was the recent Bloomberg story entitled, “What to Do If the Home Bubble Is an Inflated Idea” by John Wasik on May 30th.   That story quoted from a working paper titled ``Assessing High House Prices, Bubbles, Fundamentals and Misperceptions'' cited in the April edition of the National Bureau of Economic Research Digest. Written by Charles Himmelberg, a senior economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York; Christopher Mayer of the Columbia University Business School; and Todd Sinai of the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, the paper takes issue with traditional measures of housing growth and casts doubt on a theory that a bubble is inflating even in the most stratospheric markets.

http://www.nber.org/digest/...

 

I believe that publishers and press media management officials need to pay attention to what is being sent out under their banner.  Credibility is a well-known problem for the press these days and I believe it is seriously in question for a large segment of the American populace.  The reputation of the media at least partially hinges on perceptions and many perceptions are that the “news” is highly “spun”. 

 

In an exchange I recently had with a writer for Forbes, he said, “Journalists love bad news” when I pointed out the disparity and basic inaccuracy in reporting on housing.  I guess I am to learn from that comment that I can always expect the negative analysis when I read the popular press?  I have to question the wisdom of maintaining that behavior and philosophy if the industry is to survive.

 

Frank Pecarich

posted by steveeswenson on Oct 31, 2006 at 09:30 AM
I'm with you guys on Doonesbury. In the good old days we would run something because we knew it was good for you. We were sanctimonious about that. Now we listen to you and in cases like this, we've dropped the ball. Go Zonker!
posted by ProgressivePete2 on Oct 31, 2006 at 09:38 AM
It's ok steve. I know your sensitive conservative readers get all sorts of upset when their beliefs are quesitoned. Then they start the whiny letter campaign until The Californian gives in. We know it's not your fault.
posted by tkozy on Oct 31, 2006 at 09:44 AM

If the readers are sensitive to Doonesbury..

Put a warning on my blogs..

I must be really scary….

A Halloween Nightmare..

posted by Hardliner4freedom on Oct 31, 2006 at 10:15 AM

Ideas:

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A chess column.

A Space News or Science News section.

Enlarge the reader commentary section.  (Letters, etc.)

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A Playboy section featuring local talent.
A Playgirl section featuring local talent.  (Let me lose that 30 pounds, and I'll have my Chippendale body back.  (It's the truth!)  No, I don't even look 48.)

posted by anonymous on Oct 31, 2006 at 10:18 AM
The Los Angeles Times is not up for sale as far as I know. In fact, several Los Angeles residents wanted to buy it and the Tribune Co. refused.
posted by TomW on Oct 31, 2006 at 10:20 AM
H4F:  A science column?  Isn't that going to upset the same people that hate Doonsbury?
posted by tkozy on Oct 31, 2006 at 10:22 AM
Grin
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Oct 31, 2006 at 10:26 AM
You got me good, Tom.  A science column would surely be a sign of  "liberal bias."
posted by randomfactor on Oct 31, 2006 at 10:30 AM
Because the facts have a well-known liberal bias...
posted by wlwedd on Oct 31, 2006 at 12:42 PM
I cannot imagine a more relaxing evening activity than sitting down with the daily paper.  The net version is not as complete as the hard copy, and I can't sink down on my comfy couch, stretch out and fully absorb it.  I like the quick & easy access of most of the news on the web, but I wouldn't live without subscribing to the paper at home.

posted by baketown on Oct 31, 2006 at 01:27 PM

I still prefer to do all my reading on real paper - it's too hard to read everything online.  The internet is convenient sometimes though.

 

 

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