No wonder they walk funny.

awesome article.  Confirms my debate I had with wayfarer on his blog that he decided to stop responding on.  Check it out.  an interesting discussion.

No one ever said there was  no homosexuality in the animal kingdom  There are anomalies all throughout nature but that doesn't make it the norm or natural.

Care to share which animals other than humans who use sex for pleasure?  Animals don't mate outside a mating cycle or season..humans on the other hand..................

Uh no it doesn't Defy.  What it does show is Grumpy naively trying to project a anthropomorphism on a creature whose behavior he has no clue to.  It is also interesting the way homosexuals tried to manipulate the results of this pseudo experiment [ Like not allowing zoo officials to provide females for the poor little critters ]  It should be interesting to see how many people swallow this kool aid;P  

... kool aid?  Are you serious?  Okay...  Well, it's been documented.  You can go to germany and watch this for yourself.  They're scientific facts.  They studied the species and found these conclusive results.  Just because you didn't see them with your own eyes doesn't make it unfactual.  Doesn't that sound a bit familiar? 

And the article doesn't say that they stopped.  It just says that they got upset in them interfering. So show me proof that they never actually introduced the females to the males.  Your argument is grasping at straws.

The purpose of this blog is to show that outside of human beings there are documented cases of homosexuality.  Trying to show that it's not a chosen thing or something brought about by the temptations of the flesh or that it can be "cured."  You're missing the point.  

As I have long tried to explain to some poor people.  Calling something scientific doesn't make it that and calling something a fact does not make it that either.  Or to quote the Spaniard from the Princess Bride ,"You use the word a lot ,but I do not think it means what you think it meas" ;) 

LOL okay.  Well... that goes for the same of your thoughts and opinions.  Because you spout of things from the bible as being fact and because you try and incorporate it in to science doesn't make it scientific.  As much as creationist would like it to be.  Because god is NOT scientific.

Okay... challenge!  How is it not scientific fact?  Please ellaborate

Bearing in mind the definition of science: systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.

It should be noted that the Bremerhaven penguins are "Humboldt Penguins" a different species from Roy, Silo and Tango, who are "Chinstrap Penguins".  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_Tango_Makes_Three

gay penquins havethe same effect on their species and homosexuals do on homosapiens......they lead to the demise of the species through lack of reproduction  (a dead end branch on the family tree)..unlessthe rosie o donut turkeybaster special, with free sperm donor, is done

No Defy, YOU'RE missing the point.  Nesting on an egg and hatching it is NOT an anomaly.  It's not unusual to have a specie where the male helps rear the young.  Having sexual relations outside mating seasons or cycles with the same sex in the animal kingdom IS an anomaly just as it is in humans.

The other point I'm making and have made all along is that I don't care what people do in their bedroom or who they choose to live with.  My not caring does NOT make it natural.

Penguins.  Criminy.

Wrong Defy, I never confuse faith with science.  That is another myth people try to ignorantly brand Christians with.  If you read the article closely you will see that the study was prevented from proving if the birds were naturally homosexual or merely reacting to abnormal circumstances ,because the gays were scared to find out the answer and would not let the scientist give the poor bird access to females.  Which in my opinion is unnatural and inhumane treatment of animals.

     The arguments reasoning also fails ,because cannibalism also occurs in nature.  So by following that line of reasoning we would then have to agree ,because cannibalism is natural then we shouldn't legally protect society from human cannibals.  If you think this argument is ridicules remember Jeffry Dalmer?

     Last point is that humans are not animals.  We have the freedom and the responsibility to choose how we behave.  So in conclusion we see the study was prevented from reaching an honest answer.  The line of reasoning is false and the basic fact is we are humans who have free will.  Now that I have spent a whole 5 minutes answering your question Defy.  I am going to enjoy a movie now.  So please don't let your feelings get hurt if I don't reply to you for the rest of the night.  Good night;)

Well you claim that we are not animals which is a religious argument.  Because in according to science we are.  having evolved from them.  And cannibalism doesn't occur among the species of animals.  Sure hunting and eating of other species yes.  Carnivores.  And I am not ignorant because you do weave religion in to your logic.

That's too funny.  the gay crowd will go to the end of theanimal kingdome to prove humans behave like animals.  Ooh, I think I saw a gay ant in my back yard.  If I'm not mistaken, my grass might be gay too.  That's just too funny.

By the way, did you ever hear of biased science?  Probably not.

defy, if you truly belive the dust you came and the dust you will go, then knock your self out and indulge in what ever pleasure you desire.  Hope you're right, but the price of being wrong...

It just gets weirder and weirder around here. 

Okay, Casooner.  1) Gay people don't have to go to the end of the animal kingdom to prove being gay is a-okay because where is this end? lol sorry that was funny. And if it is an anomaly why does it occur so often in the human species.  if its an anomaly it would be a rare occurrence in a genetic make up.  Also, what gay crowd?  Have you taken an entire concensus of the gay community of bakersfield? state?  country?  Because not everyone believes we are animals.  And I didn't say we were animals, i said science does.  I was merely arguing wayfarers point of view and how it's still geared by religion and not actual science.  2) an ant isn't an animal.  it's actually an insect. I believe we all learned that in the second grade.  3) Grass is neither an animal or an insect.  4) Yes, i have heard of biased science it happens all the time.  Studies done to look at one particular point of view to prove that it's right.  And just because one case happens then it must be true.  But who are you to say which is and isn't biased science? How do you know what to believe and not believe.   5) isn't kind of pathetic that you just told me i was going to hell.  And I'm glad though that if there is a God and I do get judged at the end of my existence it isn't you who is doing the judging.  Because I like to think God is a little more understanding than us "humans." 

so defy you knew you were gay prior to that first same sex kiss? you also didnt have an older gay person trying to pursuade you that it was OK to be in touch with these strange feelings as long as they were the recepient of some of the touchy feely being discussed??

I doubt it..gay isnt something you were born to be..it comes from outside influences..case studies have been done and Ive posted them before but im not going to go look them up for this stupid argument anymore..you wanna be gay..be gay..stop shoving your gayness down our throats..soooo tired of reading about this SOS.

FYI.. the gay penguin thing has been done atleast twice a year by your side since the blogs were created from the *BIG BANG* so go find something new to show us that its ok to bump uglys with some one wearing your same genitalia..

Sioux sure likes to get graphic in his gay sexual descriptions.  LOL!

I just like the story about the penguins.  The way I understand it, there are about three unattached males who are watching out first for the egg(s) and then the chick(s).  We'd have to follow those chicks around to find out whether it's nature or nurture that will make them more like their parents.  I joke, of course.

I like penguins.  I have two lead crystal penguins.  Beautiful.  I have an old lapel pin penguin with tiny pearls on his chest and head, tiny rubies for his eyes, a gold "tie" and feet, and black wings.  He's quite lovely. 

Didn't they do a movie about this.  Three men and a baby? 

so defy you knew you were gay prior to that first same sex kiss? you also didn't have an older gay person trying to persuade you that it was OK to be in touch with these strange feelings as long as they were the recepient of some of the touchy feely being discussed??

Actually, Sioux, i WAS gay before my first male kiss.  And no i didn't have some creepy old man telling me being gay was okay.  Actually i went to christian school from pre-k to 8th grade and was told by my school and family that being gay was an abomination and i that homosexuals will burn in hell forever because of their sexual perversion.  and GUESS WHAT!  I still like guys.  Always have.  Also, if you're going to give that argument about "shoving it in your face"  gay people no more "shove" their lifestyle in your face than Christians "shove" their religion in your face.  Wearing cross necklaces, t-shirts, hats, carrying around bibles, talking about "I'll pray for you,"  going door to door to spread the "good word," giving you quotes from the bible to excuse this or that or whatever.  so next time you want to use that whole "shoving it in your face" argument check your side of the fence first.  Most people I know who are gay aren't really showy and flashy.  And!  Even if they have some sort of effeminate tendencies people question whether or not their gay, like it matters!  And how is their lifestyle shoved in your face! Guys don't make out in public like heterosexual couples.  I mean... god!  We get it your in love. your in love. Don't get me wrong I don't want to see that if it were two girls or guys.  I just don't want to see people doing what should be done in the privacy of their home out in front of everyone.  Have some common decency.

And those case studies probably were probabl paid for by some religious studies program. And don't talk about something you know nothing about.  Because think about it logically, if it were as simple as flipping a switch and it was a simple CHOICE to be gay don't you think a gay person would do it?  So that way they don't have to listen to ignorant people like you condemn homosexuality.  And if it's just a matter of prayer... ya... did that bud.  As did my ex-boyfriend.  And yep... still gay.

Somebody has roused my suspicions with their detailed fantasies.

I think the take away here is that life will out. Those eggs virtually screamed help me and the penguins responded.

defy..  And yep... still gay.

terrific.... thanks for telling me... who would've guessed?? do you also wear a tuxedo all the time?? And you and I both know that if it ever became acceptable??? for lack of a better term....public displays of affection and/or preverted parades would be rampant ..(not too mention indoctrination of our kids)..in order to show 'Hay look at me, wow we won, neener neener'

defying DAVE...wheres your rainbow flavored pic of you on the hollywood walk of shame dave?

If you have a group of female chickens, the largest or most dominant will start acting like a rooster.  And what about dogs, have you ever seen a male dog start humping another male dog or actually anything in sight.  When i first got my Pomeranian he would try and mount my 2lb chihuahua, it was quite hilarious.

Since I haven't seen it addressed, the bonobo chimps are a perfect example of another animal that uses sex outside of reproduction all the time:

The species is best characterized as female-centered and egalitarian and as one that substitutes sex for aggression. Whereas in most other species sexual behavior is a fairly distinct category, in the bonobo it is part and parcel of social relations--and not just between males and females. Bonobos engage in sex in virtually every partner combination (although such contact among close family members may be suppressed). And sexual interactions occur more often among bonobos than among other primates. Despite the frequency of sex, the bonobo's rate of reproduction in the wild is about the same as that of the chimpanzee. A female gives birth to a single infant at intervals of between five and six years. So bonobos share at least one very important characteristic with our own species, namely, a partial separation between sex and reproduction.

Originally published in Scientific American

No one ever said there was  no homosexuality in the animal kingdom 

Sure they did--when they said it was "unnatural." 

Like spending $50,000 to stand in a church and repeat what a guy in a dress says is "natural..."

This entire thread is hilarious!   

TurkeySandwich:  There's a pecking order among chickens, too.  We had a flock of chickens (several, really), one of which was a pet we'd rescued from certain death, my mother "mothering" it in a shoebox in front of a heater, and that chicken was at the top of the pecking order.  To say nothing of which she'd eat out of our hands.  She was a sweetie.  Queenie was her name.  Really and truly.  Sad ending, though, which I shall not recount here.

All kinds of stuff occur in nature that is out of the norm. Momma dogs have adopted kittens, different species have mated and even reproduced, I recall from my childhood farmlife a male duck who preferred hens. It would be more interesting to know if the so-called gay penguins live assimilated with all the normally-paired penguins or if they live apart from the herd (or whatever you call a whole bunch of penguins).

All kinds of stuff occur in nature that is out of the norm.

Like clothing, religion, indoor plumbing... :)

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(or whatever you call a whole bunch of penguins).

A colony, rookery, raft or (my favorite) a waddle.   All depending on where they happen to be found.   I love Google (and it's worth going there today for the logo alone.  Ah, the hours wasted on falling jigsaw pieces...

 gay people no more "shove" their lifestyle in your face than Christians "shove" their religion in your face.

Actually, you're right. And they should ALL stop doing it.

GREAT.....I don't believe this---another conclusion as to how the DINOSAURS went bye-bye...THEY ALL WENT GAY---PLEASE.........who in the heck came up with this BIRD story and how much did it cost the taxpayers??

Sioux, as i had previously stated i don't want to see anyone doing it.  even if gay culture was accepted as normal society.  I don't want to see ANYONE doing it.  It's really repulsing.  And... parades?  What do you think they're going to hold a pride parade every weekend?  Dude... your logic is rather fuzzy.  Just because someone is accepted doesn't mean they're going to shove their life style even more in to your face.  Personally i hate pride parades.  It's stupid and flashy and showy and has NO purpose.

Ghostriter, I TOTALLY agree.  Everyone should keep their opinions to them self.  

lol... who said that the dinosaurs went gay? lol also it was Charles Darwin who concluded that the dinosaurs hadn't gone extinct but evolved in to birds.  At least I think it was Darwin.  He developed his theory while he was watching the wild life on the Galapagos island.

learnem... are you saying my name is Dave? cause my name is josh there, bud. 

ALSO!  Wayfarer, you said that they deprived these penguins of female companionship but do you REALLY believe that they kept these 3 penguins separated from the other waddle (lol, i love that one too.)  You say that assuming that was what they did.  But more than likely they were with the rest of the other penguins, male and female alike, and still chose to be with a male.  The ones they spoke of flying in would have been another set to add to the penguins to give them more options, because penguins mate for life. Anyway... i realized that today.  

Ghost so right you are,  but they won't listen

Sooo what is this blog?  Speaking for myself I usually think of gays zero times a day, but some people keep bringing up there own business into the public forum.  Now if you excuse me I shall go back to happily not thinking about gays;) 

 Sooo what is this blog?

A reporting of a cool current-events/public-interest story with a somewhat-cryptic observation that it may have implications outside the zoo.

I'm certain *YOU* think of homosexuality considerably more than zero times a day, despite your constantly being on-guard against it.

Actually, you're right. And they should ALL stop doing it.

so speaketh the soothsayers...so now we have the cant we all get along crowd working on the gag reflex...*EVERYONE* on here chimes in with what they believe and feel the next guy needs to listen because they are right.....

the Im better than you thing is rampant at TBC..nobody is better than any other person on here..we all pull our pants on one leg at a time.....I dont feel my beliefs are better than any of yours but at the same time I get alittle defensive when I constantly read snide little remarks and making fun of things that are something that is private...I feel its only right to try and show the offending person that they need to take a step back or Im gonna say my piece too...

Is it something I enjoy?? *NO* not really...I keep waiting for it to get so old it will die out like other organic waste..Now im not so sure I will ever witness it in my life time..theres just too much hate in the world and the more opinions born the worse its going to get..

actually the world might be better off if all the old farts just died off like the dinosaurs..meaning 25 years and older..then maybe the kids would have a chance to make this a better place to be..because *just living* would become the priority....

I think some people just post hate, so they can get a little adrenaline kick when they do it.  It is sad ,but blogging itself can be just another addiction;( 

Now that the sexual Pandora's Box has been widened even more by New Hampshire's approval of same-sex marriage, the polygamists are using it to throw a tantrum of their own: http://www.wnd.com/index.ph...

Probably won't be long before they, too, will want to indoctrinate pupils by forcing the Bearenstain Bears and the gay penguins to move over for books featuring life in a polygamist porcupine compound.

Let them throw tantrums.   Bill Donohue does it all the time, and nobody listens anymore.  There are legal, structural problems with polygamous marriage that simply do not exist with same-sex marriage.

I'd like to see some sort of system devised that would accomodate polygamy, but it's not going to be easy to put together.  It'll probably resemble some sort of corporate structure.

Pax, if you want to marry a gay penguin, *I* won't stand in your way.  You're 'way too fascinated by Pandora's box, it seems.

wow, great discussion. I just thought it was a cool little anomoly.

Some wild stuff going on in New York State--two Democrats moving over to the Whigs?

http://www.americablog.com/...

Boy, I knew that homophobia can make people do weird things, but *THIS*?

Ah.  Those responsible for sacking the sackers have been sacked.  Or something.

http://www.nysenate.gov/pre...

(Of course, Luttwack tells you to issue such a calming statement after a coup d'etat...)