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tonyh - > The World According to Me -> Fewer migrants mean more benefits
Fewer migrants mean more benefits

It looks like we might be winning this one after all. Immagine that. We're taking back the USA.

http://www.latimes.com/news...

As immigration enforcement takes hold, jobs begin to open up to less-skilled Americans.
By Mark Krikorian
September 24, 2007
Immigration hawks have been on a winning streak lately. An unprecedented surge of public outrage at the prospect of amnesty for illegal immigrants led to the defeat in June of the Senate immigration bill and the probable end of President Bush's dream for comprehensive immigration reform. And that was merely the latest in a series of victories for supporters of tighter controls, including the Real ID Act of 2005, the Secure Fence Act of 2006, proliferating enforcement efforts at the state and local levels and a new package of modest but meaningful enforcement measures announced last month by the Department of Homeland Security.

What of the results? Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told The Times that "there will be some unhappy consequences for the economy out of doing this." While the enforcement climate is still too new to show results in government data one way or the other, Chertoff's prediction doesn't appear to be playing out. On the contrary, there is extensive anecdotal evidence that enforcement is actually having its desired effects: More illegal aliens are going home, leading to improved conditions for American workers and communities.

The first consequence of stepped-up enforcement is attrition of the illegal population -- a steady decrease in the total number of illegal aliens as more people give up and go home. Attrition is the real alternative to amnesty, and we're seeing it work.

The Arizona Republic ran a story last month explaining how migrants were leaving the state in anticipation of tough new immigration rules. Public radio station WBUR in Boston reported that "in the midst of the debate about immigrants coming to America, something unusual is happening in Massachusetts: Brazilian immigrants are quietly packing up and leaving." And the Chicago Tribune, reporting on the Pennsylvania town at the forefront of the resistance to illegal immigration, has written that "over the summer, when Hazleton officials created the nation's first ordinance aimed at driving away undocumented residents, thousands of people apparently packed up and left."

Far from having "unhappy consequences," these developments are improving the economic bargaining power of less-skilled American workers. The Rocky Mountain News reported that in Greeley, Colo., "the line of applicants hoping to fill jobs vacated by undocumented workers taken away by immigration agents at the Swift & Co. meat-processing plant . . . was out the door." New England Cable News reported that only after a raid on a plant making leather goods for the military in New Bedford, Mass., were Americans and legal immigrants able to get hired. As one new employee said of the raid: "In a way, you know, it's sad, and then in a way it's good because at least it gives people that were not employed for so many years . . . a break to be able to work and support their families."

When illegal aliens were removed from a Crider Poultry plant in Stillmore, Ga., the Atlanta Journal Constitution and the Wall Street Journal documented the benefits to local workers. The plant raised wages significantly, began offering free shuttles from nearby towns and provided free rooms in a company-owned dormitory. For the first time, Crider sought applicants from the state unemployment office and began hiring probationers and men from a local homeless mission. And, as the Journal noted, "for the first time since significant numbers of Latinos began arriving in Stillmore in the late 1990s, the plant's processing lines were made up predominantly of African Americans."

Better enforcement doesn't result only in economic improvements. While there is an ongoing scholarly debate about the overall crime rates of immigrants versus the native-born, there's no doubt that tougher enforcement has had a notable effect on gang activity. In an upcoming study, my Center for Immigration Studies reports that using immigration law against gangs has helped bring about a 39% drop in gang activity in the Washington suburb of Fairfax County, and Dallas police report a 20% drop in the murder rate as a result of the same initiative.



Of course, the consequence of uncontrolled immigration that most ordinary Americans see is what political scientist Peter Skerry calls "social disorder." Hazleton offers a good example: While cleaning graffiti from her building, a local locksmith told the Tribune that "about the same time the ordinance passed, the whole tone of the street changed. Virtually overnight, it was a totally different place."

As recent enforcement victories are sustained and expanded, we can begin to document the benefits in other areas: less stress on hospital emergency rooms, less-crowded classrooms, slower growth in government social spending. But the results we've seen so far are clear: We can get illegal aliens to return home, and doing so will improve conditions in American communities. Why didn't we start doing this a long time ago?

Mark Krikorian is executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, a think tank that supports tighter controls on immigration.
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posted by allRED on Oct 12, 2007 at 07:17 PM

Thank you Tonyh:  This is a sign for hope.

Ron.

posted by tonyh on Oct 12, 2007 at 08:25 PM

Hey, it looks like I was right about "Mexifornia" being out of the loop on what the rest of this country is thinking. Now, we're starting to see the results in places with more common sence. How about that, ............it actually works.......Jeepers, maybe we WILL end up having out borders secured after all. They'll all go home and lock the gates behind them.

Like I've said before, if you want to follow the rules, immigrate her legally, I'll welcome you with open arms. I'll do anything that I can to help you out. I'm willing to help you learn English ( if I can). I'll help you get a job, a place to live, I'll even help your kids with their homework. I'm willing to help you with just about anything. I believe in the "Great Melting Pot".

If you sneak in illegally GO HOME! I don't want you here any more than "Joe Lunch Bucket" does................

posted by tonyh on Oct 12, 2007 at 08:35 PM
I'm living in Tennessee, and they're leaving here (and Northwest Mississippi) by the Ford Pickup load. Construction has come to a screeching halt and people are becoming very intolerant around here.
posted by RoyTullis on Oct 12, 2007 at 08:58 PM
The liberal California Government, and that includes Arnold will never admit that getting rid of Illegals has an up side...Maybe they will all go to L.A. and San Francisco.
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Oct 12, 2007 at 09:03 PM

We'll get 'em, not L.A. or S.F.  Ya gotta be a thunder god to afford to live in those places.

 

posted by RoyTullis on Oct 12, 2007 at 09:05 PM
Afraid you might be right  H4F even though Kern County has the lowest wages in the state.
posted by tonyh on Oct 12, 2007 at 09:13 PM

That's exactly why resolutions from local Government seems to scare them off.

Maybe Couch wasn't so far off base after all. Between Government resolutions and I.C.E. targeting certain areas, it seems to be working to the benefit of the local economies.................................Just maybe there was a method to his madness..............

 

posted by Shsrebel10 on Oct 12, 2007 at 10:50 PM

Research the author before believing the story.  Mark Krikorian is a director for the Center of Immigration Studies, a group that is so anti-immigrant they want NO immigration (legal or otherwise).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

posted by TomW on Oct 12, 2007 at 11:23 PM
Shsrebel, most likely the facts are all true.  The presentation may be skewed, for example gathering facts to support a conclusion.  I'll be interested to see what happens in Greeley in 6 months.  For example, where did all those folks come from?  Were they unemployed or did they leave other jobs?  You take that many people out of an economy and there are winners and losers. 
posted by samheath on Oct 13, 2007 at 05:02 AM
People my age have seen the radical decline of living standards in America because of the flow of illegal aliens encouraged by politicians and their corporate masters for the sake of slave labor over decades. To say this invasion by Mexico has had a "positive" effect on America is to fly in the face of the facts to the contrary. Anyone like Bush and Company supporting open borders and illegal aliens has another agenda than what is best for America, which is so patently obvious you would think the radicals supporting illegal aliens would be run out of  the country. But here in Mexifornia, it may take that terrorist nuclear bomb to get the attention of our governor and state legislature.
posted by creepycat on Oct 13, 2007 at 01:07 PM
I am disappointed that the very institutions we entrusted to secure our borders and enforce the immigration laws chose to betray that trust, without explanation or accountability. That the American people need to act on their own accord because elected office holders refuse to uphold the laws of the land is a disgraceful reflection of how a President and Congress regard the citizens of this country.  
posted by Shsrebel10 on Oct 13, 2007 at 08:58 PM

Tom

There's no doubt that some jobs will be openned up with a fewer migrants, but come on how many low-skilled jobs do we need available?  Everytime I go to a fast food resturaunt they're always hiring, and there's the agriculture industry that has plenty of openings available.  Its not like all the jobs are dried up.

posted by creepycat on Oct 14, 2007 at 04:12 PM

Fast food joints are always rotating help. The help find better jobs; they graduate school. A number of burger joint mgrs. reject applications that are "too good." They know if they hire somebody literate and intelligent, he'll be gone in 60 days or less.

Field labor jobs are seasonal. Only migratory workers find fairly steady work as field laborers.

posted by RoyTullis on Oct 14, 2007 at 07:17 PM

Creepycat.  Your statement about Fast Food hiring "They know if they hire somebody literate and intelligent, he'll be gone in 60 days or less." show a lack of knowledge and is down right wrong.  I have a Granddaughter who is in the senior year of high school who works two week nights and weekends in a fast food restaurant.  She is both literate and intelligent. There are many high school kids who use these jobs for experience and to earn a little extra money.  Shame on you!

posted by creepycat on Oct 15, 2007 at 07:21 AM

Roy: Sorry you are offended. Did I not say help rotates because they graduate? Big difference between a h.s. kid working a few hours for spending loot and someone wanting full time work to support a household and looking for a successful future.

Saying I have a lack of knowledge and I'm wrong and I should be ashamed---have you been talking to my teen daughter?

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