So, in essence, you'd rather ignore Roe v. Wade in it's entirety and not allow for those who chose to exercise their right to an abortion to actually capitalize on that right?

BTW - I disapprove of abortion as a form of contraception, and only support it in extreme cases.

OK.... and how is an abortion any different than any other medical procedure? I think you have confused "abortion" with "euthanasia" In the case of an abortion, the woman's life is not ended.

To FloridaSateGrad - an abortion is not a means of contraception. The only way an abortion can be performed is after conception - in other words after the fetus is "conceived". In order for an abortion to be a means of "contraception" it would have to prevent conception - which is does not. It simply prevents the fetus from coming to term.

Random House Dictionary defines an abortion as: the removal of an embryo or fetus from the uterus in order to end a pregnancy. In order for an abortion to be performed, the fetus or embryo must be there in the first place or conceived.

nowhere - I'm very familiar with the terminology, and I specifically meant to use the term "contraception," because the reality is that there are quite a few women who treat abortion as nonchalantly as they would the pill.  In other words, some do not pratice responsibility as it pertains to sexual enterprises, and look upon abortion as something that will easily fix the problem. There are plenty of women who are responsible adults and use contraception but obviously do have an occasion where they must make a difficult decision, but to deny that there is abuse would be wrong.

Therefore, my original statement makes complete sense: I support abortion in extreme cases: rape, incest, and when other forms of actual contraception such as birth control or condoms fail.

Roe v. Wade is law. Get over it.

Pogo, you do know you cannot be Catholic and pro-abortion, don't you? The church states unequivocally that it is a killing in violation of one of God's commandments and is one of the sins that cry out to heaven--in other words, a mortal sin. An abortionist is admitting it as much: http://www.lifenews.com/sta...

How barbaric of you. Phooey.

Catholicism is a joke, and quite frankly is more cultish than Christian.

I call it Pro-Choice, Pax. And yes, I am a Catholic and plan to stay one, unless they finally run me off, even then I'll consider myself Catholic. I do not need some Church to tell me how to think, I have the New Testement for that. The Church is made up of men, just like me, no better, no worse. God gave me a brain and the power to reason with it, He did not make me a mule to be driven. 

Sorry if that doesn't fit your dogma, but it works for me.

See you on the other side.

FSG and Pogo, the choice certainly is yours to founder in the seas of relativism while I stand ashore near the lighthouse that Christ established on the rock of Peter and his successors, ready to toss you a floating ring if and when you finally see the light. There can only be one way, one truth and one life. Christ gave his church the power to bind and loosen sins, and assured his followers that those who hear them hear him as they will be guided by the Holy Spirit. It'd be schizophrenic if the Holy Spirit was meant to guide all into believing whatever they want to believe, breaking up the body of Christ into 30,000-plus denomination. How's that for using the ol' noggin to figure out what's really going on here?

Perhaps this is where you went wrong, from John 6:

48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers did eat manna in the desert, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven; that if any man eat of it, he may not die.

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. 52 If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh, for the life of the world. 53 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat? 54 Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. 55 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.

54 "Eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood"... To receive the body and blood of Christ, is a divine precept, insinuated in this text; which the faithful fulfil, though they receive but in one kind; because in one kind they receive both body and blood, which cannot be separated from each other. Hence, life eternal is here promised to the worthy receiving, though but in one kind. Ver. 52. If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh for the life of the world. Ver. 58. He that eateth me, the same also shall live by me. Ver. 59. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever.

56 For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. 57 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him. 58 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me. 59 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever. 60 These things he said, teaching in the synagogue, in Capharnaum.

61 Many therefore of his disciples, hearing it, said: This saying is hard, and who can hear it? 62 But Jesus, knowing in himself, that his disciples murmured at this, said to them: Doth this scandalize you? 63 If then you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 64 It is the spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing. The words that I have spoken to you, are spirit and life. 65 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning, who they were that did not believe, and who he was, that would betray him.

63 "If then you shall see"... Christ by mentioning his ascension, by this instance of his power and divinity, would confirm the truth of what he had before asserted; and at the same time correct their gross apprehension of eating his flesh, and drinking his blood, in a vulgar and carnal manner, by letting them know he should take his whole body living with him to heaven; and consequently not suffer it to be as they supposed, divided, mangled, and consumed upon earth.

64 "The flesh profiteth nothing"... Dead flesh separated from the spirit, in the gross manner they supposed they were to eat his flesh, would profit nothing. Neither doth man's flesh, that is to say, man's natural and carnal apprehension, (which refuses to be subject to the spirit, and words of Christ,) profit any thing. But it would be the height of blasphemy, to say the living flesh of Christ (which we receive in the blessed sacrament, with his spirit, that is, with his soul and divinity) profiteth nothing. For if Christ's flesh had profited us nothing, he would never have taken flesh for us, nor died in the flesh for us.

64 "Are spirit and life"... By proposing to you a heavenly sacrament, in which you shall receive, in a wonderful manner, spirit, grace, and life, in its very fountain.

66 And he said: Therefore did I say to you, that no man can come to me, unless it be given him by my Father. 67 After this many of his disciples went back; and walked no more with him. 68 Then Jesus said to the twelve: Will you also go away? 69 And Simon Peter answered him: Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. 70 And we have believed and have known, that thou art the Christ, the Son of God.

71 Jesus answered them: Have not I chosen you twelve; and one of you is a devil? 72 Now he meant Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon: for this same was about to betray him, whereas he was one of the twelve.

Pax - as an Episcopalian, I partake in the Eucharist weekly (well, normally).  I'm really not sure what your point is.

However, I have a task for you - when you can explain where in the Bible it mentions Purgatory, Indulgences, the Divinity of Mary, etc.. let me know.  I'm all ears.