http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540 Does any one else find it troubling that DUI checkpoints only seem to be held at in the very poorest of locations in this county? I see nine arrests were made in Wasco, at Central and Highway 46 this past weekend. There was one on East California Avenue very recently. There was also one on South Union Avenue not long ago, and another at East Truxton Avenue if memory serves me. I do not recall seeing any on Calloway and Rosedale or Stockdale. I do not recall one at the Truxton Exchange and Coffee Road. Don't people with means ever drink? Does the check point have more to do with poverty than safety? Does any one else find it troubling that DUI checkpoints only seem to be held at in the very poorest of locations in this county? I see nine arrests were made in Wasco, at Central and Highway 46 this past weekend. There was one on East California Avenue very recently. There was also one on South Union Avenue not long ago, and another at East Truxton Avenue if memory serves me. I do not recall seeing any on Calloway and Rosedale or Stockdale. I do not recall one at the Truxton Exchange and Coffee Road. Don't people with means ever drink? Does the check point have more to do with poverty than safety? en-us Adam, I always figured that calling it a DUI checkpoint was for legal purposes. I don't think the police can just setup a random drivers license check. They're going after people driving illegally, and catching them in bunches. I tell you though, I sure see a lot of people in the southwest that <em>seem</em> like they're driving drunk. Either that or their driving skills are so poor that they can't keep their SUV in their own lane. Those curves are kind of tough I guess. Nah, it's the cell phones. http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164833 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164833 Adam, I always figured that calling it a DUI checkpoint was for legal purposes. I don't think the police can just setup a random drivers license check. They're going after people driving illegally, and catching them in bunches. I tell you though, I sure see a lot of people in the southwest that <em>seem</em> like they're driving drunk. Either that or their driving skills are so poor that they can't keep their SUV in their own lane. Those curves are kind of tough I guess. Nah, it's the cell phones. Adam, you obviuosly do not follow the local news regarding checkpoints very closely. The city police hold them on Ming Ave, near the Marketplace; Ming Ave, just east of Valley Plaza; Coffee Rd. near Hageman; on 23rd St near F St, and recently on Stockdale Hwy., near Stockdale Country Club. These are not exactly poverty areas, like you suggest. Plus, there are certain safety factors that need to to be considered as far as where they can safely be held, both for&nbsp;the public and the officers. &nbsp;What I find troubling is when people post blogs without having the correct facts, or who make broad,&nbsp;uninformed, statements. &nbsp; http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164835 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164835 Adam, you obviuosly do not follow the local news regarding checkpoints very closely. The city police hold them on Ming Ave, near the Marketplace; Ming Ave, just east of Valley Plaza; Coffee Rd. near Hageman; on 23rd St near F St, and recently on Stockdale Hwy., near Stockdale Country Club. These are not exactly poverty areas, like you suggest. Plus, there are certain safety factors that need to to be considered as far as where they can safely be held, both for&nbsp;the public and the officers. &nbsp;What I find troubling is when people post blogs without having the correct facts, or who make broad,&nbsp;uninformed, statements. &nbsp; <font size="2">I think they are held all over the city,but it is true if you are poor ,you take a harder hit.For the life of me&nbsp;I can not understand why folks can not just take a cab. We do need more cabs,the wait can be so long to get one. But say dropping $50 bucks on cab fare for a night spent drinking vs. impound fees,court costs,class costs,etc..let alone the cost of hurting others or yourself...the math seems simple enough to me and I do not &quot;do&quot; math.</font> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164846 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164846 <font size="2">I think they are held all over the city,but it is true if you are poor ,you take a harder hit.For the life of me&nbsp;I can not understand why folks can not just take a cab. We do need more cabs,the wait can be so long to get one. But say dropping $50 bucks on cab fare for a night spent drinking vs. impound fees,court costs,class costs,etc..let alone the cost of hurting others or yourself...the math seems simple enough to me and I do not &quot;do&quot; math.</font> Glad to see you post your response, OldBlue56. I only follow these notices through the B.com site, and when they are published in the paper. I have not seen these locales published recently, after the fact of course, and appreciate your commentary.&nbsp; I stated that these positions &quot;seemed to be held&quot; only in the poorest areas, and simply asked readers three questions based on my recent observations. I find it interesting that you equate three questions with &quot;broad, uninformed, statements&quot;, and are troubled by them.<br /> Anyway, thanks for the information. &nbsp; http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164849 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164849 Glad to see you post your response, OldBlue56. I only follow these notices through the B.com site, and when they are published in the paper. I have not seen these locales published recently, after the fact of course, and appreciate your commentary.&nbsp; I stated that these positions &quot;seemed to be held&quot; only in the poorest areas, and simply asked readers three questions based on my recent observations. I find it interesting that you equate three questions with &quot;broad, uninformed, statements&quot;, and are troubled by them.<br /> Anyway, thanks for the information. &nbsp; <p>Adam, I think PP2 has it spot on.  They have to have them in "poor" neighborhoods (really meaning places where illegals live), because they aren't suppose to be driving without licenses.  And under the ruse of it being called a DUI checkpoint, makes it shadow the fact, they're trying to remove some of these people from the road.  BUT, they're still NOT checking immigration status....i know i know, it's not their job, right?</p> <p> </p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164850 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164850 <p>Adam, I think PP2 has it spot on.  They have to have them in "poor" neighborhoods (really meaning places where illegals live), because they aren't suppose to be driving without licenses.  And under the ruse of it being called a DUI checkpoint, makes it shadow the fact, they're trying to remove some of these people from the road.  BUT, they're still NOT checking immigration status....i know i know, it's not their job, right?</p> <p> </p> It's all part of&nbsp;&quot;laborer&quot; profiling. Just look at the arrest reports published here. You don't expect the police to look for laborers at Seven Oaks, do you? http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164867 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164867 It's all part of&nbsp;&quot;laborer&quot; profiling. Just look at the arrest reports published here. You don't expect the police to look for laborers at Seven Oaks, do you? You're probably right robb. Maybe they are just trying to harass <strong>undocumented workers</strong> enough so they go elsewhere for work, since people can't be illegal. http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164869 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164869 You're probably right robb. Maybe they are just trying to harass <strong>undocumented workers</strong> enough so they go elsewhere for work, since people can't be illegal. <p>Adam, all the checkpoints I referred to were reported in the TBC, either online or in print. I was not necessarily&nbsp;referring to you on this blog, as it happens daily here. However, when you say they &quot;seem&quot; to be held in poor areas, and they aren't, according to the news, it's does not sound very informed. </p> <p>And PP, the police also conduct drivers license checkpoints. These too have been ruled legal. And of course they are going after people driving illegally, like with suspended licenses, no license, no insurance, false tags, ect. </p> <p>Woof, I hate to break this to you, but the &quot;illegals&quot; are driving all over this town, not just the poor neighborhoods. Who do you think is doing all the construction in the new housing tracts all over town? They commute every morning all over town, just like everyone else. And you are right, the local police do not enforce the Federal immigration laws. If they did, they would not be available to&nbsp;respond to all the other calls that come in every few minutes&nbsp;from the public. Plus,&nbsp;if the Feds aren't going to have an enforcement office here in town, why&nbsp;should the local police and sheriff do their job? &nbsp;</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164875 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164875 <p>Adam, all the checkpoints I referred to were reported in the TBC, either online or in print. I was not necessarily&nbsp;referring to you on this blog, as it happens daily here. However, when you say they &quot;seem&quot; to be held in poor areas, and they aren't, according to the news, it's does not sound very informed. </p> <p>And PP, the police also conduct drivers license checkpoints. These too have been ruled legal. And of course they are going after people driving illegally, like with suspended licenses, no license, no insurance, false tags, ect. </p> <p>Woof, I hate to break this to you, but the &quot;illegals&quot; are driving all over this town, not just the poor neighborhoods. Who do you think is doing all the construction in the new housing tracts all over town? They commute every morning all over town, just like everyone else. And you are right, the local police do not enforce the Federal immigration laws. If they did, they would not be available to&nbsp;respond to all the other calls that come in every few minutes&nbsp;from the public. Plus,&nbsp;if the Feds aren't going to have an enforcement office here in town, why&nbsp;should the local police and sheriff do their job? &nbsp;</p> They've had them in Rosedale many times.&nbsp; Regardless of whom or what they're looking for, scattering the check points all over town is the best way to do it.&nbsp; I can remember when they had them set up regularly at 24th and Pierce Road ( Buck Owens Blvd for all you newcomers).&nbsp; There were several bars on Pierce Road at the time and Drunk Drivers were exactly&nbsp;who they were targeting.&nbsp; Call them what you want.&nbsp; They serve a greater purpose.&nbsp; I support them. http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164900 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164900 They've had them in Rosedale many times.&nbsp; Regardless of whom or what they're looking for, scattering the check points all over town is the best way to do it.&nbsp; I can remember when they had them set up regularly at 24th and Pierce Road ( Buck Owens Blvd for all you newcomers).&nbsp; There were several bars on Pierce Road at the time and Drunk Drivers were exactly&nbsp;who they were targeting.&nbsp; Call them what you want.&nbsp; They serve a greater purpose.&nbsp; I support them. <p>Adam I have never thought about that but it is so true. The BPD&nbsp;must&nbsp; think only us poor people are the only drinkers.&nbsp;The BPD&nbsp;are targeting the poor and the well-off are getting away with drinking and driving. This does not make much sense at all. </p> <p>&nbsp;</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164907 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164907 <p>Adam I have never thought about that but it is so true. The BPD&nbsp;must&nbsp; think only us poor people are the only drinkers.&nbsp;The BPD&nbsp;are targeting the poor and the well-off are getting away with drinking and driving. This does not make much sense at all. </p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Well, OldBlue, Murphy, here we are again. offering <em>proof </em>that what's being said isn't so, and it's ignored because they've already made up their minds. http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164912 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164912 Well, OldBlue, Murphy, here we are again. offering <em>proof </em>that what's being said isn't so, and it's ignored because they've already made up their minds. <p>Don't make me have to use all upper case, OK.&nbsp;( ; -) so everyone understands it's a joke) &nbsp;All the DUI check points I've been seen have been in my neighborhood or on my side of town (Rosedale)&nbsp;because that's where I live, work, shop and play.&nbsp; I only see the CHP officers with their radar guns in my neighborhood for the same reason.&nbsp; Believe me, I see them all the time.&nbsp; People in Stockdale see them all the time.&nbsp; </p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164922 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164922 <p>Don't make me have to use all upper case, OK.&nbsp;( ; -) so everyone understands it's a joke) &nbsp;All the DUI check points I've been seen have been in my neighborhood or on my side of town (Rosedale)&nbsp;because that's where I live, work, shop and play.&nbsp; I only see the CHP officers with their radar guns in my neighborhood for the same reason.&nbsp; Believe me, I see them all the time.&nbsp; People in Stockdale see them all the time.&nbsp; </p> I wasn't trying to pull you into another one Murph, I just saw you and OldBlue had already tried to talk a little sense without any luck.&nbsp; I apologize. http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164936 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164936 I wasn't trying to pull you into another one Murph, I just saw you and OldBlue had already tried to talk a little sense without any luck.&nbsp; I apologize. <p>Timec, you are an&nbsp;angry little black women. (If you aren't little, no disrespect meant). It is much easier for you to make your racist comments than actually contribute anything constructive to a discussion. And in a few years, when whites are a minority in this state, and Hispanics are a majority, what's your argument&nbsp;going to&nbsp;be for stopping &quot;minorities?&quot; </p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164937 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164937 <p>Timec, you are an&nbsp;angry little black women. (If you aren't little, no disrespect meant). It is much easier for you to make your racist comments than actually contribute anything constructive to a discussion. And in a few years, when whites are a minority in this state, and Hispanics are a majority, what's your argument&nbsp;going to&nbsp;be for stopping &quot;minorities?&quot; </p> Jeepers, I thought I thanked OldBlue56 for providing additional information. I would have thanked you as well Murphy, if I had been able to figure out what you originally posted. I'm glad to hear that DUI checkpoints are held at the church on Stockdale Highway. I am glad to hear that DUI checkpoints are held on White Lane and Ming Avenue. I have not seen these places recently mentioned in the paper as DUI checkpoints. Maybe you can let the folks in on when these checkpoints took place. I am certainly in favor of scattering the checkpoints, as dgrealish  suggested. <br /> <br /> And you don't have to shout out your loud colors to make your point, or use a tone as though people reading your responses don't understand.  <br /> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164938 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164938 Jeepers, I thought I thanked OldBlue56 for providing additional information. I would have thanked you as well Murphy, if I had been able to figure out what you originally posted. I'm glad to hear that DUI checkpoints are held at the church on Stockdale Highway. I am glad to hear that DUI checkpoints are held on White Lane and Ming Avenue. I have not seen these places recently mentioned in the paper as DUI checkpoints. Maybe you can let the folks in on when these checkpoints took place. I am certainly in favor of scattering the checkpoints, as dgrealish  suggested. <br /> <br /> And you don't have to shout out your loud colors to make your point, or use a tone as though people reading your responses don't understand.  <br /> And FYI, I happen to know when and where the checkpoints are going to be before they happen, so maybe some of you&nbsp;might want to be a little nicer to me. LOL! http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164939 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164939 And FYI, I happen to know when and where the checkpoints are going to be before they happen, so maybe some of you&nbsp;might want to be a little nicer to me. LOL! <font size="2">OldBlue~ you are a voice of reason and I so respect you~old buddy, old friend...think he bought it everyone??? lol</font> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164940 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164940 <font size="2">OldBlue~ you are a voice of reason and I so respect you~old buddy, old friend...think he bought it everyone??? lol</font> Glad were good, Murph.&nbsp; http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164943 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164943 Glad were good, Murph.&nbsp; North,South,East,or West Bakersfield...what's the diff...as long as they are caught and off the road...I'm just glad that law enforcement is getting them off the road...for awhile at least.. http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164960 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164960 North,South,East,or West Bakersfield...what's the diff...as long as they are caught and off the road...I'm just glad that law enforcement is getting them off the road...for awhile at least.. Sage, I applaud your effort.... :) http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164962 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164962 Sage, I applaud your effort.... :) Yeah the drunk ones. http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164996 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_164996 Yeah the drunk ones. <p>Timec, again, you show your ignorance. The DUI checkpoints have a set way they are conducted, as per the law. It is not based on the driver's race, sex, or whether they are driving a nice BMW 525i, or a p.o.s. 1994 Honda. </p> <p>Now I will say that any good officer can find a reason to stop just about any vehicle he/she sees, if they know the law. There is almost no vehicle that can't be LEGALLY stopped. There are all kinds of reasons, but I won't overload your little, or big, head with the reasons. </p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_165003 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_165003 <p>Timec, again, you show your ignorance. The DUI checkpoints have a set way they are conducted, as per the law. It is not based on the driver's race, sex, or whether they are driving a nice BMW 525i, or a p.o.s. 1994 Honda. </p> <p>Now I will say that any good officer can find a reason to stop just about any vehicle he/she sees, if they know the law. There is almost no vehicle that can't be LEGALLY stopped. There are all kinds of reasons, but I won't overload your little, or big, head with the reasons. </p> <p>To say it was a difficult weekend is an understatement.&nbsp; Anyone who read The KB Blogs knows what I'm talking about.&nbsp; Here's what I learned from that effort.&nbsp; <strong><em>You can't open a closed mind</em></strong>.&nbsp; I know that statement will be turned around and used on me, but remember, I'm the one who put it out there.&nbsp; </p> <p>When the facts have been placed before someone and&nbsp;they&nbsp;refuse to look at them then continue to give the same sad excuse, all they want is to argue.&nbsp; &nbsp; Many of us have seen DUI checkpoints in our own neighborhoods.&nbsp; I've seen them twice on Gosford.&nbsp; Once at Ming &amp;&nbsp;Gosford&nbsp;and once at White Lane &amp; Gosford, but this makes no difference to people who want to promote the same tired agenda.&nbsp; I refuse to waste another ounce of precious energy on this type of discussion.&nbsp; It goes nowhere and causes irreparable damage.&nbsp; </p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_165005 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_165005 <p>To say it was a difficult weekend is an understatement.&nbsp; Anyone who read The KB Blogs knows what I'm talking about.&nbsp; Here's what I learned from that effort.&nbsp; <strong><em>You can't open a closed mind</em></strong>.&nbsp; I know that statement will be turned around and used on me, but remember, I'm the one who put it out there.&nbsp; </p> <p>When the facts have been placed before someone and&nbsp;they&nbsp;refuse to look at them then continue to give the same sad excuse, all they want is to argue.&nbsp; &nbsp; Many of us have seen DUI checkpoints in our own neighborhoods.&nbsp; I've seen them twice on Gosford.&nbsp; Once at Ming &amp;&nbsp;Gosford&nbsp;and once at White Lane &amp; Gosford, but this makes no difference to people who want to promote the same tired agenda.&nbsp; I refuse to waste another ounce of precious energy on this type of discussion.&nbsp; It goes nowhere and causes irreparable damage.&nbsp; </p> <p>DG, you have hit the nail right on it's head!</p> <p>And no Murph, since Jason spanked my hand for being mean to Panfilio, I&nbsp;am a good little blogger now. (he's the blog Nazi). No XXX from my fingers... (just kidding JS). </p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_165007 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_165007 <p>DG, you have hit the nail right on it's head!</p> <p>And no Murph, since Jason spanked my hand for being mean to Panfilio, I&nbsp;am a good little blogger now. (he's the blog Nazi). No XXX from my fingers... (just kidding JS). </p> <p>The only time I was stopped in a DUI checkpoint it was on Rosedale Highway in front of Rockin Rodeo on New Years Eve.&nbsp; My then fiance was driving a new ford pickup and we were both dressed up for the evening.&nbsp; And we are both &quot;white.&quot;</p> <p>License was checked, registration was checked, flashlights in our faces, a couple of questions..and we were on our way.</p> <p>Yup..we were profiled all right, we were driving on the road, guess that made us fair game, danged white people.</p> <p>By the way..by 11 AM on Saturday most everyone in Wasco knew about the checkpoint...it wasn't much of a surprise since it was in the local weekly newspaper.&nbsp; And just to clue everyone in, nine arrests for traffic or license &nbsp;violations isn't a huge amount in Wasco.&nbsp; So what I hear you saying is that because they put a checkpoint up in Wasco they're targeting unlicensed drivers.&nbsp; Correct me if I'm wrong here but isn't that what they're supposed to be doing?</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_165011 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/adampayne/17540/#c_165011 <p>The only time I was stopped in a DUI checkpoint it was on Rosedale Highway in front of Rockin Rodeo on New Years Eve.&nbsp; My then fiance was driving a new ford pickup and we were both dressed up for the evening.&nbsp; And we are both &quot;white.&quot;</p> <p>License was checked, registration was checked, flashlights in our faces, a couple of questions..and we were on our way.</p> <p>Yup..we were profiled all right, we were driving on the road, guess that made us fair game, danged white people.</p> <p>By the way..by 11 AM on Saturday most everyone in Wasco knew about the checkpoint...it wasn't much of a surprise since it was in the local weekly newspaper.&nbsp; And just to clue everyone in, nine arrests for traffic or license &nbsp;violations isn't a huge amount in Wasco.&nbsp; So what I hear you saying is that because they put a checkpoint up in Wasco they're targeting unlicensed drivers.&nbsp; Correct me if I'm wrong here but isn't that what they're supposed to be doing?</p>