http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699 The California Supreme Court has just overturned a voter-approved ban on gay marriage, paving the way for the state to become the second in the United States where gay and lesbian residents can marry. The justices released the 4-3 decision earlier Thursday, saying that domestic partnerships are not a good enough substitute for marriage. Outside the courthouse, gay marriage supporters cried and cheered as news spread of the decision You can read the whole story here. The California Supreme Court has just overturned a voter-approved ban on gay marriage, paving the way for the state to become the second in the United States where gay and lesbian residents can marry. The justices released the 4-3 decision earlier Thursday, saying that domestic partnerships are not a good enough substitute for marriage. Outside the courthouse, gay marriage supporters cried and cheered as news spread of the decision You can read the whole story here. en-us <p>Yay.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238439 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238439 <p>Yay.</p> <p>Look for a right wing activist federal judge to step in rather than allow the state of California to stand with the ruling of its highest court. Despite their claims to federalism and states rights, these people like to tyrannize from the very top.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238445 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238445 <p>Look for a right wing activist federal judge to step in rather than allow the state of California to stand with the ruling of its highest court. Despite their claims to federalism and states rights, these people like to tyrannize from the very top.</p> <p>Does this mean sinf&nbsp;&nbsp; will be moving back to Calif ?</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238450 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238450 <p>Does this mean sinf&nbsp;&nbsp; will be moving back to Calif ?</p> <p>Why should he?&nbsp; He's *ALREADY* in a civilized state.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238452 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238452 <p>Why should he?&nbsp; He's *ALREADY* in a civilized state.</p> <p>I saw this a few minutes ago on the MSNBC site. I burst out laughing thinking of all the wailing and gnashing of teeth among the holier-than-thous.</p> <p><i>&quot;I'd rather live next to a flamer than a fundie any day&quot; </i>-Benjamin Franklin</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238453 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238453 <p>I saw this a few minutes ago on the MSNBC site. I burst out laughing thinking of all the wailing and gnashing of teeth among the holier-than-thous.</p> <p><i>&quot;I'd rather live next to a flamer than a fundie any day&quot; </i>-Benjamin Franklin</p> <p>Gay folks now have exactly the same rights to be miserable as straight folks.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238454 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238454 <p>Gay folks now have exactly the same rights to be miserable as straight folks.</p> <p>But, Random - <i>Ted Kennedy</i> lives in that state...</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238455 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238455 <p>But, Random - <i>Ted Kennedy</i> lives in that state...</p> <p>Exactly.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238456 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238456 <p>Exactly.</p> <p><i>Gay folks now have exactly the same rights to be miserable as straight folks.&nbsp;</i></p> <p>Serves 'em right.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238460 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238460 <p><i>Gay folks now have exactly the same rights to be miserable as straight folks.&nbsp;</i></p> <p>Serves 'em right.</p> <p><span style="color: #3366ff">&nbsp;&quot;<em>Gay folks now have exactly the same rights to be miserable as straight folks&quot; - </em></span></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><span style="color: #ff00ff"><b>At least they got what they wanted. im sure this isnt the last we will hear of this topic though. </b></span></p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238462 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238462 <p><span style="color: #3366ff">&nbsp;&quot;<em>Gay folks now have exactly the same rights to be miserable as straight folks&quot; - </em></span></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><span style="color: #ff00ff"><b>At least they got what they wanted. im sure this isnt the last we will hear of this topic though. </b></span></p> <p>That's why there's a famine in the area of Martha's Vineyard.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><img src="http://www.blogbat.us/ted_Kennedy.jpg" alt="" /></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238465 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238465 <p>That's why there's a famine in the area of Martha's Vineyard.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><img src="http://www.blogbat.us/ted_Kennedy.jpg" alt="" /></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Shoulda used Denny Hastert instead.&nbsp; If they could pry him away from his boyfriend.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238469 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238469 <p>Shoulda used Denny Hastert instead.&nbsp; If they could pry him away from his boyfriend.</p> <p>Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger released the following statement today regarding the state Supreme Court&rsquo;s ruling on same-sex marriage:<br /> <br /> &ldquo;I respect the Court&rsquo;s decision and as Governor, I will uphold its ruling. Also, as I have said in the past, I will not support an amendment to the constitution that would overturn this state Supreme Court ruling.&rdquo;</p> <p>(apologies for cut-and-paste.)</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238470 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238470 <p>Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger released the following statement today regarding the state Supreme Court&rsquo;s ruling on same-sex marriage:<br /> <br /> &ldquo;I respect the Court&rsquo;s decision and as Governor, I will uphold its ruling. Also, as I have said in the past, I will not support an amendment to the constitution that would overturn this state Supreme Court ruling.&rdquo;</p> <p>(apologies for cut-and-paste.)</p> <p>Great news now my home state has joined MA in recognizing same-sex marriages.</p> <p>For those who oppose same sex marriage here is some simple advice:</p> <p>1. Don't attend a same-sex marriage<br /> 2. Don't enter into a same-sex marriage<br /> 3. No Church, minister will be forced to&nbsp;perform a ceremony for&nbsp;a same-sex marriage<br /> &nbsp;</p> <p>Tomorrow the sun will still raise as sure as the price of gas is going to go up.</p> <p>We have far more important matters on hand to work through than attempting to overturn the courts ruling. We have higher price for food, gas, utilities, state &amp; national debt, health care, poverty, national security.</p> <p>AllRed, not to worry, I am not moving back anytime soon. Though I was there in Bakersfield for a week taking care of a sick relative.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238474 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238474 <p>Great news now my home state has joined MA in recognizing same-sex marriages.</p> <p>For those who oppose same sex marriage here is some simple advice:</p> <p>1. Don't attend a same-sex marriage<br /> 2. Don't enter into a same-sex marriage<br /> 3. No Church, minister will be forced to&nbsp;perform a ceremony for&nbsp;a same-sex marriage<br /> &nbsp;</p> <p>Tomorrow the sun will still raise as sure as the price of gas is going to go up.</p> <p>We have far more important matters on hand to work through than attempting to overturn the courts ruling. We have higher price for food, gas, utilities, state &amp; national debt, health care, poverty, national security.</p> <p>AllRed, not to worry, I am not moving back anytime soon. Though I was there in Bakersfield for a week taking care of a sick relative.</p> <p>SF, here's hoping you have some friends' weddings to attend in California soon. :)</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238481 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238481 <p>SF, here's hoping you have some friends' weddings to attend in California soon. :)</p> <p>It took a judicial fiat to install Bush into office, too.&nbsp; Ya notice most of the justices voting yes were put into office by Republicans?</p> <p>.</p> <p>Absolutely no religious sacraments are involved, Pax, and you should be thankful for that.&nbsp; There's a &quot;wall&quot; of separation preventing the state from making any changes to your little bigoted ceremonies.&nbsp;&nbsp; You're free to discriminate just as much as you want, you just can't force *OTHER* churches to follow your discrimination.</p> <p>.</p> <p>The bigots failed to qualify the anti-777 fiasco.&nbsp; They need a supermajority to pass their little gay-hate constitutional amendment if it qualifies&nbsp;for November, and *ONLY* a constitutional amendment will do.&nbsp; I've been told that this ruling supercedes that plan, too--but haven't verified it yet.&nbsp;</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238484 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238484 <p>It took a judicial fiat to install Bush into office, too.&nbsp; Ya notice most of the justices voting yes were put into office by Republicans?</p> <p>.</p> <p>Absolutely no religious sacraments are involved, Pax, and you should be thankful for that.&nbsp; There's a &quot;wall&quot; of separation preventing the state from making any changes to your little bigoted ceremonies.&nbsp;&nbsp; You're free to discriminate just as much as you want, you just can't force *OTHER* churches to follow your discrimination.</p> <p>.</p> <p>The bigots failed to qualify the anti-777 fiasco.&nbsp; They need a supermajority to pass their little gay-hate constitutional amendment if it qualifies&nbsp;for November, and *ONLY* a constitutional amendment will do.&nbsp; I've been told that this ruling supercedes that plan, too--but haven't verified it yet.&nbsp;</p> <p><span style="font-size: xx-large;">Can we legalize polygamy now??</span></p> <br /> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238488 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238488 <p><span style="font-size: xx-large;">Can we legalize polygamy now??</span></p> <br /> <p>Nope.&nbsp; Sorry.&nbsp;</p> <p>.</p> <p>Different question altogether.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238490 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238490 <p>Nope.&nbsp; Sorry.&nbsp;</p> <p>.</p> <p>Different question altogether.</p> <p>So much for equal rights I guess....</p> <br /> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238495 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238495 <p>So much for equal rights I guess....</p> <br /> <p>You're welcome.&nbsp; Consider it your change from your gay-hating bigotry.&nbsp;&nbsp; Folks are seeing through the seething hatred of your obsolete world-view.&nbsp; That's why they're switching from Roman Catholicism in droves.&nbsp; If it weren't for immigration, your pews would be visibly emptying.&nbsp; Thank Zeus.</p> <p>.</p> <p>Plenty of churches will be willing to perform same-sex marriages.&nbsp; The RCC need not worry.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238500 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238500 <p>You're welcome.&nbsp; Consider it your change from your gay-hating bigotry.&nbsp;&nbsp; Folks are seeing through the seething hatred of your obsolete world-view.&nbsp; That's why they're switching from Roman Catholicism in droves.&nbsp; If it weren't for immigration, your pews would be visibly emptying.&nbsp; Thank Zeus.</p> <p>.</p> <p>Plenty of churches will be willing to perform same-sex marriages.&nbsp; The RCC need not worry.</p> <p>Sure they can march, Pax.&nbsp; In fact, I'm sure the great majority of such marchers *ARE* both pro-family and pro-life (in the *REAL* sense.)</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238503 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238503 <p>Sure they can march, Pax.&nbsp; In fact, I'm sure the great majority of such marchers *ARE* both pro-family and pro-life (in the *REAL* sense.)</p> <p>Gotta go hug a gay person.&nbsp; Toodles!</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238505 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238505 <p>Gotta go hug a gay person.&nbsp; Toodles!</p> <p>I think even gay people cringed at that last remark......</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238510 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238510 <p>I think even gay people cringed at that last remark......</p> <p>It's about freakin' time.  I know that many people in this country want to retain the mentality of the 1950's, but when we look back at imperative social issues during that time (McCarthyism, inter-racial marriage, etc.), we realize how silly that mentality was.  Same thing with same-sex marriage--after enough time passes, people will look back during this debate and think, "Why was that such a big deal?"</p> <br /> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238513 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238513 <p>It's about freakin' time.  I know that many people in this country want to retain the mentality of the 1950's, but when we look back at imperative social issues during that time (McCarthyism, inter-racial marriage, etc.), we realize how silly that mentality was.  Same thing with same-sex marriage--after enough time passes, people will look back during this debate and think, "Why was that such a big deal?"</p> <br /> <p>Wit, I too thought he was taking a lot for granted. The most obvious being there's a gay person that would be willing! <img id="smilie_13" title="Gut Laugh!" style="cursor: hand" alt=":gutlaugh:" src="http://www.nopc.info/forum/images/smilies/gutlaugh.gif" unselectable="on" editorid="vB_Editor_001" /></p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238515 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238515 <p>Wit, I too thought he was taking a lot for granted. The most obvious being there's a gay person that would be willing! <img id="smilie_13" title="Gut Laugh!" style="cursor: hand" alt=":gutlaugh:" src="http://www.nopc.info/forum/images/smilies/gutlaugh.gif" unselectable="on" editorid="vB_Editor_001" /></p> <p>Nah.  First woman I ever hugged on a nude beach was gay.   Everybody loves hugs.</p> <p>.</p> <p>And I, for one, don't see anything wrong with two men expressing their love for one another through a hug, either:</p> <p><a href="http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushmccainhug2.htm"><img style="width: 220px; height: 263px" alt="Bush McCain Hug" src="http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/R/e/1/mccain_bush_hug.jpg" border="0" /></a></p> <p> </p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238522 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238522 <p>Nah.  First woman I ever hugged on a nude beach was gay.   Everybody loves hugs.</p> <p>.</p> <p>And I, for one, don't see anything wrong with two men expressing their love for one another through a hug, either:</p> <p><a href="http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushmccainhug2.htm"><img style="width: 220px; height: 263px" alt="Bush McCain Hug" src="http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/R/e/1/mccain_bush_hug.jpg" border="0" /></a></p> <p> </p> <p>Pax, Christ himself had no problem with teh ghey.&nbsp; You and the church you front for need to grow up and follow his example.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238523 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238523 <p>Pax, Christ himself had no problem with teh ghey.&nbsp; You and the church you front for need to grow up and follow his example.</p> <p>What a great piece of news concerning equal protection and rights under the law.</p> <br /> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238531 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238531 <p>What a great piece of news concerning equal protection and rights under the law.</p> <br /> <p>McCain appears to be trying to slow dance with Bush. Pandering to the gays?</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238534 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238534 <p>McCain appears to be trying to slow dance with Bush. Pandering to the gays?</p> <p>I guess it would do little to remind everyone that, despite the rhetoric, this isn't a Christian Nation....</p> <br /> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238537 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238537 <p>I guess it would do little to remind everyone that, despite the rhetoric, this isn't a Christian Nation....</p> <br /> <p>Pax, how about extending equal protection to gays first?&nbsp; Then we can worry about nonhuman rights.&nbsp; By the way, regarding that little &quot;sin no more&quot; story--who wrote that?&nbsp; Because he wasn't *THERE*, so how can we trust the quote?</p> <p>.</p> <p>Witbee, Mc894 will pander to *EVERYONE* by the time this is over.&nbsp; Notice how his eyes are shut, so he can savor Der Leader's aroma?&nbsp; The guy's in love...</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238545 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238545 <p>Pax, how about extending equal protection to gays first?&nbsp; Then we can worry about nonhuman rights.&nbsp; By the way, regarding that little &quot;sin no more&quot; story--who wrote that?&nbsp; Because he wasn't *THERE*, so how can we trust the quote?</p> <p>.</p> <p>Witbee, Mc894 will pander to *EVERYONE* by the time this is over.&nbsp; Notice how his eyes are shut, so he can savor Der Leader's aroma?&nbsp; The guy's in love...</p> <p>I'd rather not read your propaganda, I'll reside with the facts and the Constitution, thank you.</p> <br /> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238555 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238555 <p>I'd rather not read your propaganda, I'll reside with the facts and the Constitution, thank you.</p> <br /> <p>No, Pax, your fairy tale has been refuted again and again.&nbsp; If we were, there'd be some mention of it in the Constitution.&nbsp; And there ain't.</p> <p><a href="http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/farrell_till/myth.html">http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/farrell_till/myth.html</a></p> <p>&nbsp;.</p> <p>Again, you should be glad.&nbsp; If the US *WERE* a Christian nation, it most assuredly would not be *YOUR* sect making the rules.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238558 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238558 <p>No, Pax, your fairy tale has been refuted again and again.&nbsp; If we were, there'd be some mention of it in the Constitution.&nbsp; And there ain't.</p> <p><a href="http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/farrell_till/myth.html">http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/farrell_till/myth.html</a></p> <p>&nbsp;.</p> <p>Again, you should be glad.&nbsp; If the US *WERE* a Christian nation, it most assuredly would not be *YOUR* sect making the rules.</p> <p>Apparently, the rule of law and the idea of Separation of Power no longer means anything in California.  The voter approved law very clearly says that gay "marriage"  is banned in California.  Domestic partnership provisions have been given to homosexual couples.  What does this do except try to destroy marriage?  Another victory for illogical judges.  I think we all learned in high school about the judical power to interpret laws, the congress (or the legislature, people of California in this case) power to make law, and the President (or in this case the Governors) power to enforce law.  No matter how you spin this, the FACT is that <i><b>the state supreme court has just made law and overuled the will of the people of California</b></i>.  This is a sad day for Constitutional Democracy.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238559 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238559 <p>Apparently, the rule of law and the idea of Separation of Power no longer means anything in California.  The voter approved law very clearly says that gay "marriage"  is banned in California.  Domestic partnership provisions have been given to homosexual couples.  What does this do except try to destroy marriage?  Another victory for illogical judges.  I think we all learned in high school about the judical power to interpret laws, the congress (or the legislature, people of California in this case) power to make law, and the President (or in this case the Governors) power to enforce law.  No matter how you spin this, the FACT is that <i><b>the state supreme court has just made law and overuled the will of the people of California</b></i>.  This is a sad day for Constitutional Democracy.</p> <p>California. Truly the land of fruits and nuts.</p> <br /> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238561 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238561 <p>California. Truly the land of fruits and nuts.</p> <br /> <p>I would also have to put forward the argument that we live in a Post-Christian Nation.&nbsp; Just something to think about no matter what you think about the intermingling of faith and politics.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238564 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238564 <p>I would also have to put forward the argument that we live in a Post-Christian Nation.&nbsp; Just something to think about no matter what you think about the intermingling of faith and politics.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p> <p>This is a perfect example of why judges are so important and the choice of them are.</p> <p>I'm not sure how I feel about this decision, not because of the result but because&nbsp;I thought California voted the other way multiple times and now that is reversed by a few people, the judges</p> <p>Those people just made law they did not enforce it. What happens later I wonder?</p> <p>States should be able to make any and have any laws they want as long as its not unconstitutional. As far as I know Gay marriage or marriage of any kind isn't unconstitutional, California voted to keep marriage defined as between a man and a woman. That should be upheld until voted the other way if at all.</p> <p>I just don't like this legislate from the bench crap.</p> <p>Does this make sense to anyone or just me?</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238568 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238568 <p>This is a perfect example of why judges are so important and the choice of them are.</p> <p>I'm not sure how I feel about this decision, not because of the result but because&nbsp;I thought California voted the other way multiple times and now that is reversed by a few people, the judges</p> <p>Those people just made law they did not enforce it. What happens later I wonder?</p> <p>States should be able to make any and have any laws they want as long as its not unconstitutional. As far as I know Gay marriage or marriage of any kind isn't unconstitutional, California voted to keep marriage defined as between a man and a woman. That should be upheld until voted the other way if at all.</p> <p>I just don't like this legislate from the bench crap.</p> <p>Does this make sense to anyone or just me?</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>The majority of judges ruling on this case were appointed by Republicans.&nbsp;</p> <p>.</p> <p>And they made the correct legal decision, too.&nbsp; They are merely pointing out that the voters were in error when they tried to impose an unconstitutional ballot measure.&nbsp; I would think you'd appreciate the correction.&nbsp; How else could you know about mistakes, but to have them pointed out?</p> <p>And they&nbsp;framed it properly, and it will set precedent for other cases--possibly including Pax's little bigot-ridden anti-777 petition.&nbsp;</p> <p>As to what happens later, why, a whole lot of happy couples get married and every straight marriage in the state is instantly invalid.&nbsp; (I made up the last.)</p> <p>.</p> <p>Neverleft, you forgot the flakes...</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238569 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238569 <p>The majority of judges ruling on this case were appointed by Republicans.&nbsp;</p> <p>.</p> <p>And they made the correct legal decision, too.&nbsp; They are merely pointing out that the voters were in error when they tried to impose an unconstitutional ballot measure.&nbsp; I would think you'd appreciate the correction.&nbsp; How else could you know about mistakes, but to have them pointed out?</p> <p>And they&nbsp;framed it properly, and it will set precedent for other cases--possibly including Pax's little bigot-ridden anti-777 petition.&nbsp;</p> <p>As to what happens later, why, a whole lot of happy couples get married and every straight marriage in the state is instantly invalid.&nbsp; (I made up the last.)</p> <p>.</p> <p>Neverleft, you forgot the flakes...</p> <p>I don't see this as being a huge knock against anything, really.</p> <p><br /> The voters approved of a discrimatory, and thusly, illegal ban against people with different sexual orientations (and, obviously, 'religious' beliefs) than the norm, and the California Supreme Court finally woke up and said &quot;yeah, that actually was wrong&quot;.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>But I guess this merits much more outrage than, say, when the people of California voted in the Medicial Marijuana law and had the feds say &quot;Yeah, right.&quot;</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238570 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238570 <p>I don't see this as being a huge knock against anything, really.</p> <p><br /> The voters approved of a discrimatory, and thusly, illegal ban against people with different sexual orientations (and, obviously, 'religious' beliefs) than the norm, and the California Supreme Court finally woke up and said &quot;yeah, that actually was wrong&quot;.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>But I guess this merits much more outrage than, say, when the people of California voted in the Medicial Marijuana law and had the feds say &quot;Yeah, right.&quot;</p> <p>The folks who cry &quot;state's rights&quot; when they want to discriminate will support overturning this decision.</p> <p>.</p> <p>Fortunately, unless they cite&nbsp; Bush v. Gore, SCOTUS won't touch this.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238571 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238571 <p>The folks who cry &quot;state's rights&quot; when they want to discriminate will support overturning this decision.</p> <p>.</p> <p>Fortunately, unless they cite&nbsp; Bush v. Gore, SCOTUS won't touch this.</p> <p><i>Apparently, the rule of law and the idea of Separation of Power no longer means anything in California.</i></p> <p>That is precisely what the decision was based on.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238573 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238573 <p><i>Apparently, the rule of law and the idea of Separation of Power no longer means anything in California.</i></p> <p>That is precisely what the decision was based on.</p> <p>saxon 237 this is a christian nation, it values serve as a basis of our country's morals from the beginning until now, what an ignorant statement...try reading&nbsp;the constitution,</p> <p>RF, I like that pic you posted, I don't think he's trying to pander, I think he's trying to lock Bush in the McCain death grip...</p> <p>Bigjpop, interesting, you could definitely argue that...definitely worthy of discussion</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238576 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238576 <p>saxon 237 this is a christian nation, it values serve as a basis of our country's morals from the beginning until now, what an ignorant statement...try reading&nbsp;the constitution,</p> <p>RF, I like that pic you posted, I don't think he's trying to pander, I think he's trying to lock Bush in the McCain death grip...</p> <p>Bigjpop, interesting, you could definitely argue that...definitely worthy of discussion</p> <p>RandomFactor&nbsp; &quot;The voters were in error.&quot;&nbsp; You do realize that comment makes you&nbsp;a political tyrant.&nbsp; And homosexuals have been afforded minority rights under domestic partnership laws.&nbsp; Bloggers: here are your study topics tonight.&nbsp; Separation of&nbsp;Powers, Constitutional Democracy, Federalism, Interpreation of Law, Majority Rule.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I expect a 3 page essay on how these principles apply to this case.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238577 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238577 <p>RandomFactor&nbsp; &quot;The voters were in error.&quot;&nbsp; You do realize that comment makes you&nbsp;a political tyrant.&nbsp; And homosexuals have been afforded minority rights under domestic partnership laws.&nbsp; Bloggers: here are your study topics tonight.&nbsp; Separation of&nbsp;Powers, Constitutional Democracy, Federalism, Interpreation of Law, Majority Rule.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I expect a 3 page essay on how these principles apply to this case.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p> <p>No, bigjpop, it makes me opposed to political tyrants.&nbsp; The rule of law protects the minority from the majority through the very part of the Constitution cited in the decision.</p> <p>.</p> <p>Were you asleep during Government class, or possibly home-schooled?</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238578 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238578 <p>No, bigjpop, it makes me opposed to political tyrants.&nbsp; The rule of law protects the minority from the majority through the very part of the Constitution cited in the decision.</p> <p>.</p> <p>Were you asleep during Government class, or possibly home-schooled?</p> <p>No, I went to $35,000&nbsp;a year college and had a 4.4 GPA at South High.&nbsp; I also served as a legislative assisstant in the Senate.&nbsp; Would you like to say anything else to make you feel better about yourself?&nbsp; Don't attack my credentials.&nbsp; If you want to debate then stick to the facts.&nbsp; I already posted on minority protections under the domestic partnership laws.&nbsp; In fact just don't talk to me anymore if you can't be civil.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238581 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238581 <p>No, I went to $35,000&nbsp;a year college and had a 4.4 GPA at South High.&nbsp; I also served as a legislative assisstant in the Senate.&nbsp; Would you like to say anything else to make you feel better about yourself?&nbsp; Don't attack my credentials.&nbsp; If you want to debate then stick to the facts.&nbsp; I already posted on minority protections under the domestic partnership laws.&nbsp; In fact just don't talk to me anymore if you can't be civil.</p> <p>Like most everything else Mc894 tried, BS, it apparently failed.&nbsp;&nbsp;What's more, he got Shrub all over him.&nbsp; You can smell it.&nbsp;</p> <p>.</p> <p>You might try reading the Constitution.&nbsp; See how many times the word &quot;God&quot; appears in it, for example.&nbsp; Exactly once, in the preamble.&nbsp; &quot;Christian,&quot; not at all.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238582 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238582 <p>Like most everything else Mc894 tried, BS, it apparently failed.&nbsp;&nbsp;What's more, he got Shrub all over him.&nbsp; You can smell it.&nbsp;</p> <p>.</p> <p>You might try reading the Constitution.&nbsp; See how many times the word &quot;God&quot; appears in it, for example.&nbsp; Exactly once, in the preamble.&nbsp; &quot;Christian,&quot; not at all.</p> <p>Gay unions only became a problem to human beings after the intoduction of religous restrictions&nbsp;on&nbsp;private adult behavior.</p> <p>We're &nbsp;finally as smart as cro magnum man.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238583 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238583 <p>Gay unions only became a problem to human beings after the intoduction of religous restrictions&nbsp;on&nbsp;private adult behavior.</p> <p>We're &nbsp;finally as smart as cro magnum man.</p> <p>4-3 is a victory and a precedent, Pax.</p> <p>.</p> <p>Bigjpop, you are astoundingly ignorant of the Constitution, then.&nbsp; Drug use?&nbsp;</p> <p>Does the term &quot;Separate but Equal&quot; mean anything to you?&nbsp; Hint:&nbsp; It was in all the papers.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238585 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238585 <p>4-3 is a victory and a precedent, Pax.</p> <p>.</p> <p>Bigjpop, you are astoundingly ignorant of the Constitution, then.&nbsp; Drug use?&nbsp;</p> <p>Does the term &quot;Separate but Equal&quot; mean anything to you?&nbsp; Hint:&nbsp; It was in all the papers.</p> <p>AudreyB.&nbsp; I would argue that logic alone can prove that Gay unions don't make sense.&nbsp; How in any way do gay unions benefit humanity and further our species?</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238591 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238591 <p>AudreyB.&nbsp; I would argue that logic alone can prove that Gay unions don't make sense.&nbsp; How in any way do gay unions benefit humanity and further our species?</p> <p>They don't have to benefit humanity and further our species.&nbsp; They only need to benefit the two people involved.&nbsp;</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238592 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238592 <p>They don't have to benefit humanity and further our species.&nbsp; They only need to benefit the two people involved.&nbsp;</p> <p>In the same way that straight unions do.&nbsp; You can argue that, but you'd be far from logical in doing so.</p> <p>.</p> <p>Gay unions make for stable family units with protection for offspring, as do straight marriages.</p> <p>Gay unions provide a contract between two individuals clarifying legal representation and rights, as do straight marriages.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238593 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238593 <p>In the same way that straight unions do.&nbsp; You can argue that, but you'd be far from logical in doing so.</p> <p>.</p> <p>Gay unions make for stable family units with protection for offspring, as do straight marriages.</p> <p>Gay unions provide a contract between two individuals clarifying legal representation and rights, as do straight marriages.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Randomfactor.&nbsp; You have lost the right to talk to me.&nbsp; Yes, yes, everyone is ignorant and stupid excpept you and your little internet friends who all agree with you.&nbsp; Don't talk to me anymore unless you have something intelligent to say.&nbsp;</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238594 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238594 <p>Randomfactor.&nbsp; You have lost the right to talk to me.&nbsp; Yes, yes, everyone is ignorant and stupid excpept you and your little internet friends who all agree with you.&nbsp; Don't talk to me anymore unless you have something intelligent to say.&nbsp;</p> <p>Funny, Superman...exactly how is this a Christian nation when numerous members of the founding fathers, including 4 presidents, were anti-organized religion?</p> <p>And I have read the constitution. Notice the part about 'no state religion'? Have you even read the First Amendment? Here, let me post it for you:</p> <p><i><b>Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.</b></i></p> <p>Translation: You can practice whatever religion you want. But you cannot use that religion as the basis for laws, nor can you let religion dictate legal maters. You can't shaft someone for going against Christian teachings.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238597 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238597 <p>Funny, Superman...exactly how is this a Christian nation when numerous members of the founding fathers, including 4 presidents, were anti-organized religion?</p> <p>And I have read the constitution. Notice the part about 'no state religion'? Have you even read the First Amendment? Here, let me post it for you:</p> <p><i><b>Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.</b></i></p> <p>Translation: You can practice whatever religion you want. But you cannot use that religion as the basis for laws, nor can you let religion dictate legal maters. You can't shaft someone for going against Christian teachings.</p> <p>Under which article of the California Constitution have I lost the right to talk to you?</p> <p>.</p> <p>I have not said everyone is ignorant and stupid.&nbsp; I have specifically suggested that those things apply to *YOU*, and you keep proving me right.</p> <p>.</p> <p>Lemme guess--you worked for Royboy?&nbsp; Is he still shrieking at his staff?</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238598 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238598 <p>Under which article of the California Constitution have I lost the right to talk to you?</p> <p>.</p> <p>I have not said everyone is ignorant and stupid.&nbsp; I have specifically suggested that those things apply to *YOU*, and you keep proving me right.</p> <p>.</p> <p>Lemme guess--you worked for Royboy?&nbsp; Is he still shrieking at his staff?</p> <p>Randomfactor: That doesn't qaulify as an intelligent comment. Permission to debate me is still rejected.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238603 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238603 <p>Randomfactor: That doesn't qaulify as an intelligent comment. Permission to debate me is still rejected.</p> <p>Random when you go hug your gay friends&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DONT DROP THE SOAP</p> <p>Unless your into that&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; and what church will you be married&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The Church of Dropping The Bar of Soap</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238608 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238608 <p>Random when you go hug your gay friends&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DONT DROP THE SOAP</p> <p>Unless your into that&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; and what church will you be married&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The Church of Dropping The Bar of Soap</p> <p></p> <p>Allred</p> <p>By that reasoning, women should be afraid to &quot;drop the soap&quot; around heterosexual men.&nbsp; Correct?</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238609 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238609 <p></p> <p>Allred</p> <p>By that reasoning, women should be afraid to &quot;drop the soap&quot; around heterosexual men.&nbsp; Correct?</p> <p>It is kind of funny how you are debating on not giving permission to debate you...Kind of ironic don't you think?</p> <p>P.S.  Random hasn't said anything that TBC can reprimand him for, so if you can't handle the comments you should probably kick rocks...Just a suggestion :)</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238611 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238611 <p>It is kind of funny how you are debating on not giving permission to debate you...Kind of ironic don't you think?</p> <p>P.S.  Random hasn't said anything that TBC can reprimand him for, so if you can't handle the comments you should probably kick rocks...Just a suggestion :)</p> <p>I'm full of questions.</p> <p> I don't get it...why are so many "California voters"<i> </i>against gay marriage? Will preventing the marriages make people <i><b>not be </b></i>gay anymore? Is that the hope? Will having gay marriages in California make straight people turn gay now? If gay marriages are sanctioned does it affect straight marriages? Is <b><i>my</i></b> marriage on the rocks now? Will my husband turn into an abusive jerk as God's wrath curses the straight marriages?</p> <p>How can we enact legislation to keep the liars, thieves, idol-worshipers and coveters from marrying, and possibly driving, too?</p> <p>Thanks!</p> <p> </p> <p> </p> <p> </p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238613 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238613 <p>I'm full of questions.</p> <p> I don't get it...why are so many "California voters"<i> </i>against gay marriage? Will preventing the marriages make people <i><b>not be </b></i>gay anymore? Is that the hope? Will having gay marriages in California make straight people turn gay now? If gay marriages are sanctioned does it affect straight marriages? Is <b><i>my</i></b> marriage on the rocks now? Will my husband turn into an abusive jerk as God's wrath curses the straight marriages?</p> <p>How can we enact legislation to keep the liars, thieves, idol-worshipers and coveters from marrying, and possibly driving, too?</p> <p>Thanks!</p> <p> </p> <p> </p> <p> </p> <p>I would argue that the traditional family unit is the best environment for children to be raised in.&nbsp; That assumes that the mother and father are committed to each other in love and that their family is #1 on their priority list.&nbsp; You don't have to tell me that are some horrible examples of so called families out there.&nbsp; But we are talking absolutes and best case scenario.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238614 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238614 <p>I would argue that the traditional family unit is the best environment for children to be raised in.&nbsp; That assumes that the mother and father are committed to each other in love and that their family is #1 on their priority list.&nbsp; You don't have to tell me that are some horrible examples of so called families out there.&nbsp; But we are talking absolutes and best case scenario.</p> <p>How many pregnant gay men do you see?</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238615 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238615 <p>How many pregnant gay men do you see?</p> <p><b>Sixty years ago, in the case of Perez v. Sharp, the California Supreme Court was faced with the following set of facts:</b></p> <p><strong>&quot;In this proceeding in mandamus, petitioners seek to compel the<br /> County Clerk of Los Angeles County to issue them a certificate of<br /> registry (Civ. Code, &sect; 69a) and a license to marry.&nbsp; (Civ. Code,<br /> &sect; 69.)&nbsp; In the application for a license, petitioner Andrea Perez<br /> states that she is a white person and petitioner Sylvester Davis<br /> that he is a Negro.&nbsp; Respondent refuses to issue the certificate and<br /> license, invoking Civil Code, section 69, which provides:&nbsp; &quot;... no<br /> license may be issued authorizing the marriage of a white person<br /> with a Negro, mulatto, Mongolian or member of the Malay race.&quot;</strong></p> <p><strong>Showing the same courage that the Court showed today, The California Supreme Court struck down the statutes prohibiting marriage between persons of different races as unconstitutional.&nbsp; Those opposed to the decision made most of the same arguments the the persons opposed to today's decision have made. In particular, they accused the court of interfering with the will of the people.&nbsp;&nbsp; In retrospect,&nbsp; of course, the decision was completely correct.&nbsp; </strong></p> <p><strong>Sometime down the road, the storm will blow itself out, and people will ask what all the fuss was about.<br /> <br /> </strong></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238616 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238616 <p><b>Sixty years ago, in the case of Perez v. Sharp, the California Supreme Court was faced with the following set of facts:</b></p> <p><strong>&quot;In this proceeding in mandamus, petitioners seek to compel the<br /> County Clerk of Los Angeles County to issue them a certificate of<br /> registry (Civ. Code, &sect; 69a) and a license to marry.&nbsp; (Civ. Code,<br /> &sect; 69.)&nbsp; In the application for a license, petitioner Andrea Perez<br /> states that she is a white person and petitioner Sylvester Davis<br /> that he is a Negro.&nbsp; Respondent refuses to issue the certificate and<br /> license, invoking Civil Code, section 69, which provides:&nbsp; &quot;... no<br /> license may be issued authorizing the marriage of a white person<br /> with a Negro, mulatto, Mongolian or member of the Malay race.&quot;</strong></p> <p><strong>Showing the same courage that the Court showed today, The California Supreme Court struck down the statutes prohibiting marriage between persons of different races as unconstitutional.&nbsp; Those opposed to the decision made most of the same arguments the the persons opposed to today's decision have made. In particular, they accused the court of interfering with the will of the people.&nbsp;&nbsp; In retrospect,&nbsp; of course, the decision was completely correct.&nbsp; </strong></p> <p><strong>Sometime down the road, the storm will blow itself out, and people will ask what all the fuss was about.<br /> <br /> </strong></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Gee, allred, you're all worked up about teh ghey for some reason.&nbsp;</p> <p>.</p> <p>Bigjpop, if that were the rule, you wouldn't be allowed to post here.&nbsp; I seem to be a much more forgiving fellow than you, since I'm willing to overlook your empty comments and speak to you anyway.</p> <p>How's Royboy's toupee these days?&nbsp; Bet it's been spinning since the decision.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238618 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238618 <p>Gee, allred, you're all worked up about teh ghey for some reason.&nbsp;</p> <p>.</p> <p>Bigjpop, if that were the rule, you wouldn't be allowed to post here.&nbsp; I seem to be a much more forgiving fellow than you, since I'm willing to overlook your empty comments and speak to you anyway.</p> <p>How's Royboy's toupee these days?&nbsp; Bet it's been spinning since the decision.</p> <p>TheTruthHurts.&nbsp; Oh no, just the opposite. I'm all for comments and debate.&nbsp; But I refuse to debate with someone who has to resort to personal attacks.&nbsp; To me, that just shows they are capitulating anyways.&nbsp; I'm sure you would like me to leave. t would make your life easier if you didn't have to hear my very logical and informed comments.&nbsp; You just can't seem to wrap your mind around the idea that you may be wrong.&nbsp; I'm open to discussion and debate.&nbsp; I'm open to the idea that I may be wrong on some things.&nbsp; I used to resort to name calling too, but that gets you nowhere.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238620 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238620 <p>TheTruthHurts.&nbsp; Oh no, just the opposite. I'm all for comments and debate.&nbsp; But I refuse to debate with someone who has to resort to personal attacks.&nbsp; To me, that just shows they are capitulating anyways.&nbsp; I'm sure you would like me to leave. t would make your life easier if you didn't have to hear my very logical and informed comments.&nbsp; You just can't seem to wrap your mind around the idea that you may be wrong.&nbsp; I'm open to discussion and debate.&nbsp; I'm open to the idea that I may be wrong on some things.&nbsp; I used to resort to name calling too, but that gets you nowhere.</p> <p><span style="color: #ff6600"><span><i>&nbsp;&quot;Randomfactor.&nbsp; You have lost the right to talk to me.&nbsp; Yes, yes, everyone is ignorant and stupid excpept you and your little internet friends who all agree with you.&nbsp; Don't talk to me anymore unless you have something intelligent to say.&nbsp;&quot;--- </i></span></span></p> <p><span style="color: #ff00ff">BJpop... what are we 12? where did you4.4 gpa at South High (of all schools) go?? grow up, this is a grown persons blog. apperently you didnt get that concept. </span></p> <p><span style="color: #3366ff">&quot;Allred-By that reasoning, women should be afraid to &quot;drop the soap&quot; around heterosexual men.&nbsp; Correct?&quot;-- </span></p> <p><span style="color: #ff00ff">To-shay (however you spell it) Audrey, took the words right out of my mouth. </span></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><span style="color: #ff00ff">The law is the law, whether it was passed 4-3 or whatever doesnt matter, let them be happy, they arent hurting you are they?? as far as religon goes, have your own thoughts about it, get over it&nbsp;let them do what they want. its not your life that it is affecting, so just go on living your life. </span></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238621 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238621 <p><span style="color: #ff6600"><span><i>&nbsp;&quot;Randomfactor.&nbsp; You have lost the right to talk to me.&nbsp; Yes, yes, everyone is ignorant and stupid excpept you and your little internet friends who all agree with you.&nbsp; Don't talk to me anymore unless you have something intelligent to say.&nbsp;&quot;--- </i></span></span></p> <p><span style="color: #ff00ff">BJpop... what are we 12? where did you4.4 gpa at South High (of all schools) go?? grow up, this is a grown persons blog. apperently you didnt get that concept. </span></p> <p><span style="color: #3366ff">&quot;Allred-By that reasoning, women should be afraid to &quot;drop the soap&quot; around heterosexual men.&nbsp; Correct?&quot;-- </span></p> <p><span style="color: #ff00ff">To-shay (however you spell it) Audrey, took the words right out of my mouth. </span></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><span style="color: #ff00ff">The law is the law, whether it was passed 4-3 or whatever doesnt matter, let them be happy, they arent hurting you are they?? as far as religon goes, have your own thoughts about it, get over it&nbsp;let them do what they want. its not your life that it is affecting, so just go on living your life. </span></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Sax,</p> <p>Question, Do you believe that saying 4 presidents were against organized religion (not anti religion) and that the founders who came from an oppressive government doing what they could to prevent&nbsp;a similar situation from happening in the US, means the US is not a Christian nation?</p> <p>I would argue that our most basic laws, notions and words written in all of&nbsp;&nbsp;our founding documents point, if not yell the fact that we are.</p> <p>Let me ask you one other question as a man obvious so well versed in history and not at all obtuse to the facts,</p> <p>Where do you get your rights from?</p> <p>Bigjpop, don't hold it against RF personally, I think he honestly just doesn't know better. I do think though slowly he will come around. One day he will check some of those positions he holds with facts to see if they hold water. When he realizes they don't I think he will be just as stubborn and unwilling to let anyone effect his opinion for the Right side as he is for the left now.</p> <p>Until then be prepared to read poorly thought out lib talking points</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238622 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238622 <p>Sax,</p> <p>Question, Do you believe that saying 4 presidents were against organized religion (not anti religion) and that the founders who came from an oppressive government doing what they could to prevent&nbsp;a similar situation from happening in the US, means the US is not a Christian nation?</p> <p>I would argue that our most basic laws, notions and words written in all of&nbsp;&nbsp;our founding documents point, if not yell the fact that we are.</p> <p>Let me ask you one other question as a man obvious so well versed in history and not at all obtuse to the facts,</p> <p>Where do you get your rights from?</p> <p>Bigjpop, don't hold it against RF personally, I think he honestly just doesn't know better. I do think though slowly he will come around. One day he will check some of those positions he holds with facts to see if they hold water. When he realizes they don't I think he will be just as stubborn and unwilling to let anyone effect his opinion for the Right side as he is for the left now.</p> <p>Until then be prepared to read poorly thought out lib talking points</p> <p><span style="color: #808080">&nbsp;&quot;I would argue that the traditional family unit is the best environment for children to be raised in.&nbsp; That assumes that the mother and father are committed to each other in love and that their family is #1 on their priority list&quot;</span></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><span style="color: #ff0000">and do they live in a big house, with a little white picket fence and go to church every sunday?? Get over there there is no more &quot;traditional family unit&quot; any more. Every family is different, gay, straight, black, white, asian, purple, green, married, divorce, 1 kid 12 kids, whatever the case may be, there is no more &quot;traditional family&quot;. </span></p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238623 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238623 <p><span style="color: #808080">&nbsp;&quot;I would argue that the traditional family unit is the best environment for children to be raised in.&nbsp; That assumes that the mother and father are committed to each other in love and that their family is #1 on their priority list&quot;</span></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><span style="color: #ff0000">and do they live in a big house, with a little white picket fence and go to church every sunday?? Get over there there is no more &quot;traditional family unit&quot; any more. Every family is different, gay, straight, black, white, asian, purple, green, married, divorce, 1 kid 12 kids, whatever the case may be, there is no more &quot;traditional family&quot;. </span></p> <p>Uhm, Code of Hammurabi, maybe?</p> <br /> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238624 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238624 <p>Uhm, Code of Hammurabi, maybe?</p> <br /> <p>Pax, the court looked at the statute and found it invalid by the Constitution.&nbsp; Which has just one mention of God, in the preamble, and none at all in any of its articles.&nbsp; You lost, the people of California won.</p> <p>.</p> <p>Bigjpop, still waiting for an intelligent comment from you.&nbsp; Best you could do is claim &quot;separate but equal,&quot; which went out with Brown vs. Board of Education.&nbsp; It was in all the papers, remember?</p> <p>Oh, I can entertain the notion that I'm wrong--when I am.&nbsp; Which I'm not, in this case.&nbsp; South High?&nbsp; Maybe *THAT* explains it.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238626 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238626 <p>Pax, the court looked at the statute and found it invalid by the Constitution.&nbsp; Which has just one mention of God, in the preamble, and none at all in any of its articles.&nbsp; You lost, the people of California won.</p> <p>.</p> <p>Bigjpop, still waiting for an intelligent comment from you.&nbsp; Best you could do is claim &quot;separate but equal,&quot; which went out with Brown vs. Board of Education.&nbsp; It was in all the papers, remember?</p> <p>Oh, I can entertain the notion that I'm wrong--when I am.&nbsp; Which I'm not, in this case.&nbsp; South High?&nbsp; Maybe *THAT* explains it.</p> <p>Random, no stereotypes!&nbsp; A lot of good people have come out of South High, and they generally aren't stuck up that way far too many Stockdale kids are.&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238632 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238632 <p>Random, no stereotypes!&nbsp; A lot of good people have come out of South High, and they generally aren't stuck up that way far too many Stockdale kids are.&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Most women know better Audrey</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238635 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238635 <p>Most women know better Audrey</p> <p>BS,</p> <p>Saxon, you know it.&nbsp; Now *THERE* was a religion which knew who was in charge:</p> <p><i>When Anu the Sublime, King of the Anunaki, and Bel, the lord of Heaven and earth, who decreed the fate of the land, assigned to Marduk, the over-ruling son of Ea, God of righteousness, dominion over earthly man, and made him great among the Igigi, they called Babylon by his illustrious name, made it great on earth, and founded an everlasting kingdom in it, whose foundations are laid so solidly as those of heaven and earth; then Anu and Bel called by name me, Hammurabi, the exalted prince, who feared God, to bring about the rule of righteousness in the land, to destroy the wicked and the evil-doers; so that the strong should not harm the weak; so that I should rule over the black-headed people like Shamash, and enlighten the land, to further the well-being of mankind.&nbsp;</i></p> <p><i>Hammurabi, the prince, called of Bel am I, making riches and increase, enriching Nippur and Dur-ilu beyond compare, sublime patron of E-kur; who reestablished Eridu and purified the worship of E-apsu; who conquered the four quarters of the world, made great the name of Babylon, rejoiced the heart of Marduk, his lord who daily pays his devotions in Saggil; the royal scion whom Sin made; who enriched Ur; the humble, the reverent, who brings wealth to Gish-shir-gal; the white king, heard of Shamash, the mighty, who again laid the foundations of Sippara; who clothed the gravestones of Malkat with green; who made E-babbar great, which is like the heavens, the warrior who guarded Larsa and renewed E-babbar, with Shamash as his helper; the lord who granted new life to Uruk, who brought plenteous water to its inhabitants, raised the head of E-anna, and perfected the beauty of Anu and Nana; shield of the land, who reunited the scattered inhabitants of Isin; who richly endowed E-gal-mach; the protecting king of the city, brother of the god Zamama; who firmly founded the farms of Kish, crowned E-me-te-ursag with glory, redoubled the great holy treasures of Nana, managed the temple of Harsag-kalama; the grave of the enemy, whose help brought about the victory; who increased the power of Cuthah; made all glorious in E-shidlam, the black steer, who gored the enemy; beloved of the god Nebo, who rejoiced the inhabitants of Borsippa, the Sublime; who is indefatigable for E-zida; the divine king of the city; the White, Wise; who broadened the fields of Dilbat, who heaped up the harvests for Urash; the Mighty, the lord to whom come scepter and crown, with which he clothes himself; the Elect of Ma-ma; who fixed the temple bounds of Kesh, who made rich the holy feasts of Nin-tu; the provident, solicitous, who provided food and drink for Lagash and Girsu, who provided large sacrificial offerings for the temple of Ningirsu; who captured the enemy, the Elect of the oracle who fulfilled the prediction of Hallab, who rejoiced the heart of Anunit; the pure prince, whose prayer is accepted by Adad; who satisfied the heart of Adad, the warrior, in Karkar, who restored the vessels for worship in E-ud-gal-gal; the king who granted life to the city of Adab; the guide of E-mach; the princely king of the city, the irresistible warrior, who granted life to the inhabitants of Mashkanshabri, and brought abundance to the temple of Shidlam; the White, Potent, who penetrated the secret cave of the bandits, saved the inhabitants of Malka from misfortune, and fixed their home fast in wealth; who established pure sacrificial gifts for Ea and Dam-gal-nun-na, who made his kingdom everlastingly great; the princely king of the city, who subjected the districts on the Ud-kib-nun-na Canal to the sway of Dagon, his Creator; who spared the inhabitants of Mera and Tutul; the sublime prince, who makes the face of Ninni shine; who presents holy meals to the divinity of Nin-a-zu, who cared for its inhabitants in their need, provided a portion for them in Babylon in peace; the shepherd of the oppressed and of the slaves; whose deeds find favor before Anunit, who provided for Anunit in the temple of Dumash in the suburb of Agade; who recognizes the right, who rules by law; who gave back to the city of Ashur its protecting god; who let the name of Ishtar of Nineveh remain in E-mish-mish; the Sublime, who humbles himself before the great gods; successor of Sumula-il; the mighty son of Sin-muballit; the royal scion of Eternity; the mighty monarch, the sun of Babylon, whose rays shed light over the land of Sumer and Akkad; the king, obeyed by the four quarters of the world; Beloved of Ninni, am I.</i></p> <p>Nope, not a word in there about&nbsp;same-sex marriage.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238636 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238636 <p>BS,</p> <p>Saxon, you know it.&nbsp; Now *THERE* was a religion which knew who was in charge:</p> <p><i>When Anu the Sublime, King of the Anunaki, and Bel, the lord of Heaven and earth, who decreed the fate of the land, assigned to Marduk, the over-ruling son of Ea, God of righteousness, dominion over earthly man, and made him great among the Igigi, they called Babylon by his illustrious name, made it great on earth, and founded an everlasting kingdom in it, whose foundations are laid so solidly as those of heaven and earth; then Anu and Bel called by name me, Hammurabi, the exalted prince, who feared God, to bring about the rule of righteousness in the land, to destroy the wicked and the evil-doers; so that the strong should not harm the weak; so that I should rule over the black-headed people like Shamash, and enlighten the land, to further the well-being of mankind.&nbsp;</i></p> <p><i>Hammurabi, the prince, called of Bel am I, making riches and increase, enriching Nippur and Dur-ilu beyond compare, sublime patron of E-kur; who reestablished Eridu and purified the worship of E-apsu; who conquered the four quarters of the world, made great the name of Babylon, rejoiced the heart of Marduk, his lord who daily pays his devotions in Saggil; the royal scion whom Sin made; who enriched Ur; the humble, the reverent, who brings wealth to Gish-shir-gal; the white king, heard of Shamash, the mighty, who again laid the foundations of Sippara; who clothed the gravestones of Malkat with green; who made E-babbar great, which is like the heavens, the warrior who guarded Larsa and renewed E-babbar, with Shamash as his helper; the lord who granted new life to Uruk, who brought plenteous water to its inhabitants, raised the head of E-anna, and perfected the beauty of Anu and Nana; shield of the land, who reunited the scattered inhabitants of Isin; who richly endowed E-gal-mach; the protecting king of the city, brother of the god Zamama; who firmly founded the farms of Kish, crowned E-me-te-ursag with glory, redoubled the great holy treasures of Nana, managed the temple of Harsag-kalama; the grave of the enemy, whose help brought about the victory; who increased the power of Cuthah; made all glorious in E-shidlam, the black steer, who gored the enemy; beloved of the god Nebo, who rejoiced the inhabitants of Borsippa, the Sublime; who is indefatigable for E-zida; the divine king of the city; the White, Wise; who broadened the fields of Dilbat, who heaped up the harvests for Urash; the Mighty, the lord to whom come scepter and crown, with which he clothes himself; the Elect of Ma-ma; who fixed the temple bounds of Kesh, who made rich the holy feasts of Nin-tu; the provident, solicitous, who provided food and drink for Lagash and Girsu, who provided large sacrificial offerings for the temple of Ningirsu; who captured the enemy, the Elect of the oracle who fulfilled the prediction of Hallab, who rejoiced the heart of Anunit; the pure prince, whose prayer is accepted by Adad; who satisfied the heart of Adad, the warrior, in Karkar, who restored the vessels for worship in E-ud-gal-gal; the king who granted life to the city of Adab; the guide of E-mach; the princely king of the city, the irresistible warrior, who granted life to the inhabitants of Mashkanshabri, and brought abundance to the temple of Shidlam; the White, Potent, who penetrated the secret cave of the bandits, saved the inhabitants of Malka from misfortune, and fixed their home fast in wealth; who established pure sacrificial gifts for Ea and Dam-gal-nun-na, who made his kingdom everlastingly great; the princely king of the city, who subjected the districts on the Ud-kib-nun-na Canal to the sway of Dagon, his Creator; who spared the inhabitants of Mera and Tutul; the sublime prince, who makes the face of Ninni shine; who presents holy meals to the divinity of Nin-a-zu, who cared for its inhabitants in their need, provided a portion for them in Babylon in peace; the shepherd of the oppressed and of the slaves; whose deeds find favor before Anunit, who provided for Anunit in the temple of Dumash in the suburb of Agade; who recognizes the right, who rules by law; who gave back to the city of Ashur its protecting god; who let the name of Ishtar of Nineveh remain in E-mish-mish; the Sublime, who humbles himself before the great gods; successor of Sumula-il; the mighty son of Sin-muballit; the royal scion of Eternity; the mighty monarch, the sun of Babylon, whose rays shed light over the land of Sumer and Akkad; the king, obeyed by the four quarters of the world; Beloved of Ninni, am I.</i></p> <p>Nope, not a word in there about&nbsp;same-sex marriage.</p> <p>I never called you any names.&nbsp; It just seemed you were getting hot, so I figured I would let you know that this is an open forum and if you can't take the comments you can either write back a response, not respond, leave, or start your own posts and delete what comments don't fit your brand of beliefs.&nbsp; Help me out where in the Constitution does the word Christian or Bible ever come up?&nbsp; If you are not gay how does this decision affect your life?&nbsp; Do you support inter-faith,&nbsp; or inter-race marriages?</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238637 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238637 <p>I never called you any names.&nbsp; It just seemed you were getting hot, so I figured I would let you know that this is an open forum and if you can't take the comments you can either write back a response, not respond, leave, or start your own posts and delete what comments don't fit your brand of beliefs.&nbsp; Help me out where in the Constitution does the word Christian or Bible ever come up?&nbsp; If you are not gay how does this decision affect your life?&nbsp; Do you support inter-faith,&nbsp; or inter-race marriages?</p> <p>My spouse went to South.&nbsp; For a semester.&nbsp;</p> <p>Got better...</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238639 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238639 <p>My spouse went to South.&nbsp; For a semester.&nbsp;</p> <p>Got better...</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><i>Word count, Constitution.</i></p> <p>God:&nbsp; 1.</p> <p>Bible:&nbsp; 0</p> <p>Christian:&nbsp; 0</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238642 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238642 <p><i>Word count, Constitution.</i></p> <p>God:&nbsp; 1.</p> <p>Bible:&nbsp; 0</p> <p>Christian:&nbsp; 0</p> <p>RF huh? not sure what point your making to me, unless theres another &quot;BS&quot;</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238643 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238643 <p>RF huh? not sure what point your making to me, unless theres another &quot;BS&quot;</p> <p><span style="color: #ff00ff">truth- Whats it matter if he supports inter-faith or inter-racial marriages?? are you calling your self racist now? </span></p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238644 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238644 <p><span style="color: #ff00ff">truth- Whats it matter if he supports inter-faith or inter-racial marriages?? are you calling your self racist now? </span></p> <p>RF are you saying the constitution of the United states says &quot;GOd&quot; one time?</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238652 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238652 <p>RF are you saying the constitution of the United states says &quot;GOd&quot; one time?</p> <p>Tiff-</p> <p>No, no, no...In fact I have only dated 1 women of my race.&nbsp; I was merely pointing out that religious groups in the past have said the same things about inter-faith and inter-racial marriages that they are saying about gay marriages today.&nbsp; It seems BigjPop's argument is coming from a religious standpoint, and was just curious about his stand on those topics.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238653 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238653 <p>Tiff-</p> <p>No, no, no...In fact I have only dated 1 women of my race.&nbsp; I was merely pointing out that religious groups in the past have said the same things about inter-faith and inter-racial marriages that they are saying about gay marriages today.&nbsp; It seems BigjPop's argument is coming from a religious standpoint, and was just curious about his stand on those topics.</p> <p>Random</p> <p>There's nothing wrong with South High.&nbsp;&nbsp; You're dissing a lot of fine people.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238656 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238656 <p>Random</p> <p>There's nothing wrong with South High.&nbsp;&nbsp; You're dissing a lot of fine people.</p> <p>I am THRILLED about the decision!  Look for very tastefull gay weddings all summer long!</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238657 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238657 <p>I am THRILLED about the decision!  Look for very tastefull gay weddings all summer long!</p> <p>BS:&nbsp; Nope.</p> <p>.</p> <p>Murphy:&nbsp; Nope, nope, nope, nope.&nbsp; Guess you'll just have to keep living in sin with your sister's dog.&nbsp; Better luck next time?</p> <p>.</p> <p>Bigjpop has yet to *PRESENT* an argument.&nbsp; And the question about interracial marriages goes to the heart of the issue.</p> <p>.</p> <p>The woman whose case formed the Loving v. Virginia SCOTUS decision just died *LAST WEEK*.&nbsp; We're living history, folks.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238658 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238658 <p>BS:&nbsp; Nope.</p> <p>.</p> <p>Murphy:&nbsp; Nope, nope, nope, nope.&nbsp; Guess you'll just have to keep living in sin with your sister's dog.&nbsp; Better luck next time?</p> <p>.</p> <p>Bigjpop has yet to *PRESENT* an argument.&nbsp; And the question about interracial marriages goes to the heart of the issue.</p> <p>.</p> <p>The woman whose case formed the Loving v. Virginia SCOTUS decision just died *LAST WEEK*.&nbsp; We're living history, folks.</p> <p>Audrey, you're absolutely right.&nbsp; I'm dissing a lot of people who graduated from South unfairly, by comparing them with bigjpop.</p> <p>.</p> <p>I apologise to those people whom I unfairly compared to bigjpop.&nbsp;</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238661 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238661 <p>Audrey, you're absolutely right.&nbsp; I'm dissing a lot of people who graduated from South unfairly, by comparing them with bigjpop.</p> <p>.</p> <p>I apologise to those people whom I unfairly compared to bigjpop.&nbsp;</p> <p>truth- good. id hate to see that.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238662 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238662 <p>truth- good. id hate to see that.</p> <p>OK..now you fuzzed me up.&nbsp; I'm not getting into the brouhaha over the new ruling as it's pointless here.&nbsp;&nbsp;But I WILL take umbrage at the comments about South High and it's graduating students.&nbsp; No. 1 grandson (only grandson) graduated from South High and is now a respected high school math teacher who, when I can get him aroused enough to care what a bunch of blogger say, posts here occasionally.&nbsp; In fact, his buddies from school have done well too.</p> <p>Off topic but not off comment.&nbsp; I've never found a really good way to do a raspberry on here other then...PFFfffftttttt.&nbsp; So there you are.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238666 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238666 <p>OK..now you fuzzed me up.&nbsp; I'm not getting into the brouhaha over the new ruling as it's pointless here.&nbsp;&nbsp;But I WILL take umbrage at the comments about South High and it's graduating students.&nbsp; No. 1 grandson (only grandson) graduated from South High and is now a respected high school math teacher who, when I can get him aroused enough to care what a bunch of blogger say, posts here occasionally.&nbsp; In fact, his buddies from school have done well too.</p> <p>Off topic but not off comment.&nbsp; I've never found a really good way to do a raspberry on here other then...PFFfffftttttt.&nbsp; So there you are.</p> <p>I won't associate with ANYONE who has issues with other races...Life is to short to be so petty.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238668 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238668 <p>I won't associate with ANYONE who has issues with other races...Life is to short to be so petty.</p> <p>HA !&nbsp; Vindicated already..thanks Audrey.&nbsp; :-)</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238669 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238669 <p>HA !&nbsp; Vindicated already..thanks Audrey.&nbsp; :-)</p> <p>Of course, the big news is that so many Republican representatives are going to have to leave their wives now since their boyfriends will want to get married.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238675 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238675 <p>Of course, the big news is that so many Republican representatives are going to have to leave their wives now since their boyfriends will want to get married.</p> <p>They *SAID* it would destroy marriage.&nbsp; It's only for Californians, though, so I think just Rep. Deier is affected.</p> <p>.</p> <p>Murphy, nothing kept me from getting married *BEFORE* the decision.&nbsp; I've done it lots of times.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238677 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238677 <p>They *SAID* it would destroy marriage.&nbsp; It's only for Californians, though, so I think just Rep. Deier is affected.</p> <p>.</p> <p>Murphy, nothing kept me from getting married *BEFORE* the decision.&nbsp; I've done it lots of times.</p> <p>Paxchrist3 wrote:</p> <p><b>&quot;Adam Payne, how about extending equal protection to the unborn. If not, why not? How'd you feel if yo mama had a scissor plunged in to pop your skull and had the rest of you suctioned out to be disposed of in the nearest sanitary landfill?&quot;</b></p> <p>I usually try to avoid mind numbing retorts like yours, Pax, because nothing I say in response will make the slightest difference in your outlook, or your bizarre desire to make other people conform to your obnoxious view of what is righteous and just in this world. If my &quot;mama&quot;, as you say, had decided against having baby AP, I just wouldn't be here. I guess, too bad for you, she decided to put up with my nine month lease in her Uterus Hotel and plopped me out into this crazy and bizarre world. Unlike you, Pax, I allow other human beings to make their own medical choices without judgment or criticism. That's life! I always find it so arrogantly hypocritical when I read and hear the supposed small government libertarian types go batty over anything that has to do with the human body and then demand intense governmental legislation/regulation or court intervention to oversee basic human behavior.&nbsp; </p> <p>Having kids is a social and health issue, not a moral or religious issue. Anyone can have one. It ain't special! It is interesting to note that infant mortality here in America is much higher than in the more secular industrialized nations that have avoided the religious blathering surrounding health issues.</p> <p>When this world begins to care for all living people in a kind and sharing environment, and children are not abandoned, or abused, or thrown away when they no longer fit the cute baby role then we can talk about the rights of the unborn. But, until then the unborn are about as real as the undead in my book. There is a lot of talk about how precious the fetus is, until they appear from the birth canal and find all too often the most hostile of climates right at home. On a planet with over six and a half billion people more than two-thirds live in abject poverty, neglect and fear.&nbsp;&nbsp; </p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238708 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238708 <p>Paxchrist3 wrote:</p> <p><b>&quot;Adam Payne, how about extending equal protection to the unborn. If not, why not? How'd you feel if yo mama had a scissor plunged in to pop your skull and had the rest of you suctioned out to be disposed of in the nearest sanitary landfill?&quot;</b></p> <p>I usually try to avoid mind numbing retorts like yours, Pax, because nothing I say in response will make the slightest difference in your outlook, or your bizarre desire to make other people conform to your obnoxious view of what is righteous and just in this world. If my &quot;mama&quot;, as you say, had decided against having baby AP, I just wouldn't be here. I guess, too bad for you, she decided to put up with my nine month lease in her Uterus Hotel and plopped me out into this crazy and bizarre world. Unlike you, Pax, I allow other human beings to make their own medical choices without judgment or criticism. That's life! I always find it so arrogantly hypocritical when I read and hear the supposed small government libertarian types go batty over anything that has to do with the human body and then demand intense governmental legislation/regulation or court intervention to oversee basic human behavior.&nbsp; </p> <p>Having kids is a social and health issue, not a moral or religious issue. Anyone can have one. It ain't special! It is interesting to note that infant mortality here in America is much higher than in the more secular industrialized nations that have avoided the religious blathering surrounding health issues.</p> <p>When this world begins to care for all living people in a kind and sharing environment, and children are not abandoned, or abused, or thrown away when they no longer fit the cute baby role then we can talk about the rights of the unborn. But, until then the unborn are about as real as the undead in my book. There is a lot of talk about how precious the fetus is, until they appear from the birth canal and find all too often the most hostile of climates right at home. On a planet with over six and a half billion people more than two-thirds live in abject poverty, neglect and fear.&nbsp;&nbsp; </p> <p>Pax, I realize that you have drunk the Bible Kool-Aid and everything, but we need to put this issue into the context of our social arena, not the antiquated righteousness of your religious philosophy.&nbsp; Since I know you are a little slow, I'll take this step by step.&nbsp; The fact is that this country holds equal protection under the law for all citizens (particularly adults).&nbsp; So if two consenting&nbsp;adults wish to get married regardless of their sexual orientation, under the&nbsp;right of equal protection, they&nbsp;can do so.&nbsp; There is nothing under this statute that provides exceptions to this right.&nbsp; As much as you would hate to agree with me, I have nonetheless&nbsp;proven that the&nbsp;court's ruling today is perfectly in line with logic and law.&nbsp; Furthermore, if you want me to address your take on rights to the unborn, I will.&nbsp; The unborn are not citizens.&nbsp; In order to be citizens, they have to either 1) be born here, or 2) apply and fulfill the necessary steps to become a citizen.&nbsp; The mothers who house the unborn, however, are citizens, and thus we extend the right of equal protection under the law, the right to privacy, and all of the other rights that go along with being a citizen to THEM, not to the growing collection of cells inside them that haven't even developed cerebral cortexes.&nbsp; Once again, I have proven the logic of the law in addition to throwing in that bit of science that&nbsp;people of your ilk&nbsp;conveniently leave out when discussing these issues.</p> <p>And I know that you like to pick and choose what&nbsp;advice the Bible has to offer depending on how convienient it is to follow, but for you to condemn eternal hell to others because they do not share your beliefs is contradictory to what your Bible says.&nbsp; If there is a maxim in that book that you should follow, I would prescribe this one:&nbsp; Let he who is free of sin cast the first stone.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238710 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238710 <p>Pax, I realize that you have drunk the Bible Kool-Aid and everything, but we need to put this issue into the context of our social arena, not the antiquated righteousness of your religious philosophy.&nbsp; Since I know you are a little slow, I'll take this step by step.&nbsp; The fact is that this country holds equal protection under the law for all citizens (particularly adults).&nbsp; So if two consenting&nbsp;adults wish to get married regardless of their sexual orientation, under the&nbsp;right of equal protection, they&nbsp;can do so.&nbsp; There is nothing under this statute that provides exceptions to this right.&nbsp; As much as you would hate to agree with me, I have nonetheless&nbsp;proven that the&nbsp;court's ruling today is perfectly in line with logic and law.&nbsp; Furthermore, if you want me to address your take on rights to the unborn, I will.&nbsp; The unborn are not citizens.&nbsp; In order to be citizens, they have to either 1) be born here, or 2) apply and fulfill the necessary steps to become a citizen.&nbsp; The mothers who house the unborn, however, are citizens, and thus we extend the right of equal protection under the law, the right to privacy, and all of the other rights that go along with being a citizen to THEM, not to the growing collection of cells inside them that haven't even developed cerebral cortexes.&nbsp; Once again, I have proven the logic of the law in addition to throwing in that bit of science that&nbsp;people of your ilk&nbsp;conveniently leave out when discussing these issues.</p> <p>And I know that you like to pick and choose what&nbsp;advice the Bible has to offer depending on how convienient it is to follow, but for you to condemn eternal hell to others because they do not share your beliefs is contradictory to what your Bible says.&nbsp; If there is a maxim in that book that you should follow, I would prescribe this one:&nbsp; Let he who is free of sin cast the first stone.</p> <p>Pax wants fetuses to have the right to marry one another.&nbsp; Only if they're different sexes, though.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238711 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238711 <p>Pax wants fetuses to have the right to marry one another.&nbsp; Only if they're different sexes, though.</p> <p>Ok, I'm back.  I've drove home and just took my dogs for a walk.  I kissed my wife and was reminded that life is pretty darn good.  I'm in a better mood now and I'm willing to debate RF.  </p> <p>RF.  You compared gay rights to Brown V. Board case  (separate but equal).  Are you arguing that homosexuals are a distinct race from birth?   If that's the case then I would have to say that science is against you.  Additionally Separate but equal applied to public facilities.  I don't see how you adapt it here to fit your argument.  You'll need to explain more.  </p> <p>RF.  How dare you insult the Rebels.  You're probably one of those people who wanted to change our mascot to the Shields because you found the Rebel offensive.  </p> <p>I want to get back to my original point.  The State Supreme Court has just created law.  It has overturned a voter approved initiative.  The dissenting judges , all 3 of them,  agreed that the other 4 were overstepping their boundaries.  How can this be anything other that judicial activism.  I really am quite shocked that so many people are happy about this.  If this was voted on by the people I would not be upset.  I'm upset that the will of the people has been usurped by activist judges who imposed their personal views in a legal ruling.</p> <p> </p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238713 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238713 <p>Ok, I'm back.  I've drove home and just took my dogs for a walk.  I kissed my wife and was reminded that life is pretty darn good.  I'm in a better mood now and I'm willing to debate RF.  </p> <p>RF.  You compared gay rights to Brown V. Board case  (separate but equal).  Are you arguing that homosexuals are a distinct race from birth?   If that's the case then I would have to say that science is against you.  Additionally Separate but equal applied to public facilities.  I don't see how you adapt it here to fit your argument.  You'll need to explain more.  </p> <p>RF.  How dare you insult the Rebels.  You're probably one of those people who wanted to change our mascot to the Shields because you found the Rebel offensive.  </p> <p>I want to get back to my original point.  The State Supreme Court has just created law.  It has overturned a voter approved initiative.  The dissenting judges , all 3 of them,  agreed that the other 4 were overstepping their boundaries.  How can this be anything other that judicial activism.  I really am quite shocked that so many people are happy about this.  If this was voted on by the people I would not be upset.  I'm upset that the will of the people has been usurped by activist judges who imposed their personal views in a legal ruling.</p> <p> </p> <p>nkoby, while I generally agree with you, I must&nbsp;point out that what fetuses aren't, under the law, is &quot;persons.&quot;&nbsp; Their citizenship is irrelevant.</p> <p>.</p> <p>It's a thorny legal problem which has been solved by a&nbsp;compromise known as &quot;Roe V. Wade.&quot;&nbsp; I will seek to protect that compromise&nbsp;as long as I live.</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238714 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238714 <p>nkoby, while I generally agree with you, I must&nbsp;point out that what fetuses aren't, under the law, is &quot;persons.&quot;&nbsp; Their citizenship is irrelevant.</p> <p>.</p> <p>It's a thorny legal problem which has been solved by a&nbsp;compromise known as &quot;Roe V. Wade.&quot;&nbsp; I will seek to protect that compromise&nbsp;as long as I live.</p> <p>This issue here is the State Supreme Court overturning the Vote Approved Ban on Gay Marriage.&nbsp; Stick to the issue please.</p> <br /> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238715 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238715 <p>This issue here is the State Supreme Court overturning the Vote Approved Ban on Gay Marriage.&nbsp; Stick to the issue please.</p> <br /> <p>On the basis of its unconstitutionality, yes.&nbsp; That's what Supreme Courts *DO*.&nbsp;</p> <p>It's that &quot;separation of powers&quot; you mentioned earlier.&nbsp; Remember Marbury V. Madison?&nbsp; It was in all the papers.</p> <p>.</p> <p>WIll you similarly address the cultist Pax for having strayed from the point?&nbsp;</p> http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238717 http://people.bakersfield.com/home/Blog/talkofthetown/26699/#c_238717 <p>On the basis of its unconstitutionality, yes.&nbsp; That's what Supreme Courts *DO*.&nbsp;</p> <p>It's that &quot;separation of powers&quot; you mentioned earlier.&nbsp; Remember Marbury V. Madiso