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AMERICANWAY - > -> Al Gore's Case for War in IRAQ!
Al Gore's Case for War in IRAQ!

I know that you Dems are not going to like the fact that your Dem God has stated over and over that Saddam had WMD's and blames Bush #1 for doing nothing about it.  But what I don't understand...if Gore knew about all this in 1992, why didn't he and Clintongue do something about it? hmmmm - oh that is right, it was an election year and they had to sound tough.

LET THE EXCUSES BEGIN!

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posted by AMERICANWAY on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 at 10:43 AM
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posted by GrpThink on Jun 12, 2007 at 11:27 AM

The Clinton administration's anti-terrorism law efforts evoked the following December 1996 comment by conservative James Bovard, policy advisor for the Future of Freedom Foundation.

The President is "continuing to agitate for new powers to suppress terrorists" and "demanding more powers for wiretaps, more powers to prevent people from using encryption for their e-mail, more powers to classify normal crimes as terrorist offenses, and so forth."
"As usual," the President's "solution to every problem is more power for himself and his cronies" and he has "scorned opponents of his terrorist proposals, claiming that they want to 'turn America into a safe house for terrorists.'"

 

Clinton's anti-terrorism programs that the Repugs fought against:

http://tinyurl.com/tgpnr

Read it and weep.

posted by randomfactor on Jun 12, 2007 at 11:33 AM

Amway, Clinton *DID* something about it.  That's why when Bush kicked the UN inspectors out and invaded, they found...nothing. 

No WMD's.  No WMD programs.  And if Shrub had let the inspectors do their work, they'd have told us that without the waste of 3512 American lives and a trillion dollars. 

But then Cheney wouldn't have gotten his little war-for-oil.  Enjoy your cheap gas, Amway.  3512 Americans paid for it.  And counting.

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Democrats act, Republicans lie about it.  Simple when you know the key.

posted by anonymous on Jun 12, 2007 at 11:39 AM
When are you going to make excuses for the Rethugs screwing up everything they touched? Or perhaps you approve of their facist bs.
posted by GrpThink on Jun 12, 2007 at 11:44 AM

But then Cheney wouldn't have gotten his little war-for-oil. 

U.S. military admits Iraq war was for oil:

In a Sunday afternoon discussion that mixed gentle coaxing with a sober appraisal of politics in Baghdad and Washington, the commander, Adm. William J. Fallon, told Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki that the Iraqi government should aim to complete a law on the division of oil proceeds by next month.

 

The Pentagon and WH has done nothing in Iraq for the last 3 months but push for passage of the oil bill in Iraq.

posted by GrpThink on Jun 12, 2007 at 11:49 AM

Clinton *DID* something about it.

Funny how the rightwingers "forget" about the 1998 bombing in Iraq Clinton authorized (while the rightwingers were screaming "wag the dog") when it's convenient but use it against Clinton like a cudgel ever opportunity they can.

Rightwingers seem to suffer from a collective schizophrenia.

posted by randomfactor on Jun 12, 2007 at 11:49 AM

If they don't get an oil law passed by September the Bushies may consider *THAT* reason to reconsider the surge.  They have no other metric anymore.

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That law basically gives Iraqi oil to the four largest petro companies under sweetheart contracts.

posted by TomW on Jun 12, 2007 at 11:55 AM
A 1992 video to justify a 2003 invasion?  Wow.    I think next we're going to need to invade Germany because the Democrats thought it was a good idea to go after Hitler.
posted by GrpThink on Jun 12, 2007 at 11:58 AM

That law basically gives Iraqi oil to the four largest petro companies under sweetheart contracts

And you can bet the Iraqi government officials are going to become multi-millionaires almost overnight.

It's a guaranteed way to start the same situation found in Nigeria today.

posted by AMERICANWAY on Jun 12, 2007 at 12:28 PM
You Dems did so much during your 8 year run that we trained these terrorist to fly our plans into buildings just after Bush took office....seems like a conspiracy to me.
posted by AMERICANWAY on Jun 12, 2007 at 12:32 PM
Like I said.....LET THE EXCUSES BEGIN.....Not using a 1992 speech for excuse for war....it is just amazing how your Dems lie so freakin much it is coming back to hurt you.   You will not be in the Whitehouse in '08 because none of you have nuts.  Today is the 12th, shouldn't all of you be headed to your mailbox looking for your monthly checks? 
posted by randomfactor on Jun 12, 2007 at 12:32 PM
Amway, no matter how many times people suggest such a "conspiracy," my answer comes back the same:  Bush just isn't *SMART* enough to have engineered such a successful conspiracy.  You can stop worrying about it.
posted by AMERICANWAY on Jun 12, 2007 at 12:33 PM
GRP....site your reference....isn't that what you Dems want me to do...
posted by randomfactor on Jun 12, 2007 at 12:34 PM

Mine's on direct deposit, Amway.   But don't let us keep you if you need to nip off to the post office.

posted by AMERICANWAY on Jun 12, 2007 at 12:37 PM
Yep those same UN inspectors who are paid by the UN who we are still investigating considering the oil for food, that Saddam was getting richer from and never giving the food to his people.  The same UN that invoked countless warnings and DID NOTHING.  At least we have the nuts to do something.  As for that little bombing Clinton did, he just wanted to see what it felt like to wear the pants in the family.
posted by randomfactor on Jun 12, 2007 at 12:37 PM

Personally, I don't think it was Clinton's bombing of Iraq that kept Saddam from getting WMD's, it was the sanctions.  The bombing just made him keep his head down.  Because we didn't find *ANYTHING*.  No bombed-out factories, no stockpiles, nada.

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Now, Clinton's 1993 bombing of the Iraqi intelligence HQ seems to have done some good, though...

posted by AMERICANWAY on Jun 12, 2007 at 12:40 PM
Why can't any of you admit, when the video of your GOD is played, stating what he said, then he states no they NEVER had WMD's, Saddam had nothing to do with Terrorism that both sides went at this together? 
posted by randomfactor on Jun 12, 2007 at 12:42 PM

Amway, go get yourself a beer and chill out.  We wouldn't want you having a stroke.  Haven't you heard?  We don't *HAVE* a God. 

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And yours has feet of clay.

posted by GrpThink on Jun 12, 2007 at 01:01 PM

And yours has feet of clay.

And a head full of marbles.

posted by anonymous on Jun 12, 2007 at 01:06 PM
It's nice to see amway endorse Hillary as our next pres, but she's a bit too conservative for my taste.

How many times do you have to be told that Saddam hated OBL and Al Qaeda? They were on opposite sides amway. I guess there's no reasoning with someone that thinks a good solution to the Oil for Food scandal is massive destruction through bombing raids and an occupation with no end in sight.

Oh, and the summer of 2001 was a whole year and a half into GWB's first term. It was hardly "right after he took office" but if that makes you feel better then go ahead and keep on keepin on. Life's a Garden. Dig it.
posted by anglo1 on Jun 12, 2007 at 01:15 PM
Jan. 20, 2001.
posted by mattloch on Jun 12, 2007 at 01:34 PM
AMWAY, is the UN's inaction anything like the US's inaction against US companies and individuals who we have evidence gamed the oil-for-food program? Especially since the US was responsible for the majority of fraud.....

Are you really just going to sit there and ignore the points made by Random and GrpThink? And of course, Tom's question about how far back we can go to justify invasions and occupations of countries? If you're just looking to rant and rave, you don't need to actually type things out. Just go outside and yell at the neighborhood kids to get off you damn lawn. Quit clogging the intertubes with your silliness.
posted by randomfactor on Jun 12, 2007 at 01:43 PM
Anny, you're off by a year on Bush's term.  But he *CERTAINLY* had enough warning--he just ignored the warnings.
posted by GrpThink on Jun 12, 2007 at 01:48 PM

I guess there's no reasoning with someone that thinks a good solution to the Oil for Food scandal

If you really want to see his head explode, tell him the only companies convicted in the scandal were AMERICAN companies!

Oh, the irony.

posted by GrpThink on Jun 12, 2007 at 01:50 PM

Are you really just going to sit there and ignore the points made by Random and GrpThink

Why would he change now? He's always been that way.

And if history is any teacher, he'll start deleting our posts before the end of the day.

I'm surprised mine have lasted this long.

posted by randomfactor on Jun 12, 2007 at 01:58 PM

GrpThink, you'll get a bigger "bang" from the cranium if you tell him Condolezza Rice sat on the *BOARD OF DIRECTORS* of one of those companies when they bribed Saddam.  He'll *LOVE* it.

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But I believe there was at least one French company implicated as well, although not convicted.

posted by anonymous on Jun 12, 2007 at 02:01 PM
Oh, well I stand corrected (thanks anglo). It was only 8  months. Exactly how much of a pass does he get on this? I could see not holding him responsible if it were a month or two after he started, but this is just ridiculous. We all know he ignored the warnings. He got plenty of them too.
posted by GrpThink on Jun 12, 2007 at 02:06 PM

US's inaction against US companies and individuals

From 2001 to 2003 the U.S. members of the U.N. Security Council approved several Iraqi oil transfers which were not part of the oil-for-food program.

During Bush's administration the U.S. was a KNOWING participant in violating the program.

I wonder why AmWay didn't mention this.

posted by GrpThink on Jun 12, 2007 at 02:11 PM

you tell him Condolezza Rice sat on the *BOARD OF DIRECTORS* of one of those companies

Yup, Chevron is on the list of companies who worked with Saddam in violating the program.

least one French company implicated as well

As there was one British company.

But as you mentioned, they have not been convicted. Only the U.S. companies were.

posted by GrpThink on Jun 12, 2007 at 02:14 PM

I could see not holding him responsible if it were a month or two after he started

Here's where the rightwingers are hypocrites.

They blame Clinton for the February 1993 WTC bombing even though it happened a month after he took office, but Bush is blameless for 9/11 that happened 8 months after he took office.

posted by anonymous on Jun 12, 2007 at 02:18 PM
Ok which one of you lifted the rock amway was under?
posted by antiextremism on Jun 13, 2007 at 02:39 PM
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Jun 13, 2007 at 02:43 PM

Why, America's counterpart to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, of course.

(Oh yeah, he's limited to two terms and is ineligible to run again.  There goes that idea.)

posted by anonymous on Jun 13, 2007 at 03:51 PM
Just for the record, Al Gore was talking about sanctions on Saddam not bombing and hanging him in this 15 year old clip. You know, the sanctions that were working before GWB decided to start his war.
posted by GrpThink on Jun 13, 2007 at 03:57 PM

Just for the record, Al Gore was talking about sanctions on Saddam not bombing and hanging him in this 15 year old clip

 

There someone goes again, interjecting some context into the conversation.

Bailiff, whack his pee-pee!

posted by randomfactor on Jun 13, 2007 at 04:11 PM
Hardliner, what makes you think Shrub plans to honor *THAT* particular amendment to the Constitution?
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Jun 13, 2007 at 04:25 PM
Touche.  His henchmen in Congress have been itching to repeal that one.
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