Hate is not the "AMERICAN WAY."

You make some valid points, but your "the libs" this and "the libs" that -- is the mark of an unthinking bigot.

I am fully committed to fighting to keep America free.  That's why I will not vote for a single Republican until its currently dominant freedom-hating wing is beaten back into obscurity where it belongs.

Now tell me what my views are on abortion.  I eagerly await.

I always find it very interesting how a Democrap can tell me how I should view the world and try to preach to me about love not hate, then hear from them about being "beaten" back into obscurity.  So who is the unthinking bigot or should I say contradictory one.

BY the way saying LIB is not hate...you obviously do not follow politics except just before elections and you let the media tell you who to vote for- even libs call themselves libs and conservatives - conservatives.....but let me see may you want to take away any titles we may have _ some hardliner for freedom you are.

The SCOTUS ruling Chips at nothing. It reaffirms ROE v. Wade at a level greater than ever imagined at it’s inception..

Tkozy,

I am not arguing Roe v. Wade  (by the way that is a different issue that is never brought up...since roe v. wade, it is proven life does start conception - we get excited to find a one cell "life" form on mars but don't call a one cell human embryo life).... partial birth abortion is plain murder.  There is no reason for it - I want someone out there to give me a good reason for partial birth abortion - the child is full term and can sustain life.

"it is proven life does start conception"

There is no such proof.

"There is no reason for it"

A woman who testified to Congress when the bill was being discussed would disagree with you. One saved her life. Her testimony was posted in the other thread about the SCOTUS decision.

"I want someone out there to give me a good reason for partial birth abortion "

To save the life of the mother.

"the child is full term and can sustain life"

Not always. But you'd know that if you had followed the case.

"it is proven life does start conception"

There is no such proof.  Yes - you need some medical education......don't speak on something you don't know.  Look it up

"There is no reason for it"

A woman who testified to Congress when the bill was being discussed would disagree with you. One saved her life. Her testimony was posted in the other thread about the SCOTUS decision.

Something is not right...sounds like spin.....I am not doubting they had to save the mom's life, but was the child full term.....  see partial birth is a full term baby who is delivered and then murdered when the head is still in the womb....look at the picture in the initial post.

"I want someone out there to give me a good reason for partial birth abortion "

To save the life of the mother.

 NOT NECESSARY TO PERFORM PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION FOR THIS......THEY WOULD DO C-SECTION.

"the child is full term and can sustain life"

Not always. But you'd know that if you had followed the case.

Read my profile, you dope.

If you don't want to be accused of hate, then don't hate.

Tolerance,

Thanks for the article - I liked it and can appreciate it and understand.  As someone who has ran an obgyn office I can understand this persons feelings and decision. 

However, this is the exception not the rule when it comes to PBA's.  But, this is typical, get that one testimony that is very sad and pulls on the heart strings of everyone (because we are a country of feelers) and things get changed for one and not the majority.

What I think some of you on this blog have not gotten is that I do agree with abortion when it comes to saving the mother's life. 

Let me say this....My cousin in Denver, CO was told their child's brain would not develop properly and should abort it.  Now my cousin is not a pro-life person, but they did not abort the child.....guess what....the child is normal and has developed normal.  So there are many story of the contrary as those that were presented to Congress.  Thanks again.

H4F - back at ya.

Cut and run

"My cousin in Denver, CO was told their child's brain would not develop properly and should abort it.  Now my cousin is not a pro-life person, but they did not abort the child"

That was HER CHOICE.

Why do you want to take choice away from other women?

You don't even have a horse in this race, yet you want to fix the outcome. I'll never understand that.

"H4F why indulge him? I know this type of rhetoric must be confronted but there is obviously no want for civilized discussion here."

You have a point.  But sometimes hateful bigots just need to shown for what they are, for all the world to see.  They think first-grader slogans made up of three letter words can win a discussion.  Such people need to be made to look as stupid as they are.

Especially when hate and bigotry is being visually associated with the American flag.  That's desecration, in my book.

Shape up and knock off the hate, though, and see just how quickly I extend an olive branch.

My horse is the horse of freedom. If you support removing a woman's right to choose, it's obvious what horse you back.

GOD gave you free will to make your own decisions.

HE Gave the mother free will to make her own decisions.

HE Gave me free will to make my own decisions.

I try not to Judge others.

It is her Free Will. Not yours. Not mine.

GOD created man and gives him, ‘Free Will’.

In your wisdom. You have chosen to use this GOD given ‘Free Will’, to decide when the life of others should begin and end.

I believe that the purpose of GOD given Free Will, is for you to make decisions as they affect your own life.

Others disagree with you as to when life begins. When GOD has granted Free Will. When life should end.

That’s the nature of GOD given ,‘Free Will’.

‘Free Will’, can not be governed away. It is in your last breath.

‘Free Will’, is the absence of pre-determination.

GOD could have created us without sin.

He could have pre-determined each of our fate.

He choose to give each and everyone of us, ‘Free Will‘.

None of it perfect, ’Free Will’.

Perfect Free Will can not exist. It was meant to be that way.

"I don't want to take the choice away from the mother.  If her life is at stake I understand."

So now you're backing away from your original statements. Color me surprised.

"Partial birth abortions are not the American Way! -  Don't talk to me about choice"

"There is no reason for it "

You freaks can't even stand on principle anymore.

"Don't talk to me about the flag, you probably have burned my flag, spit on it and speak against it and call free speech"

Projection, it's the rightwing way.

Got anymore asinine assumptions you want to throw out there?

He probably doesn't even know the correct way to raise a flag to half staff.

Show your true colors, bigot.  Your chain is as easy to jerk as a fire bell.  If you actually served in the military, you not only disgrace the Flag, but you disgrace the uniform, too.

Ready to shape up yet?  Or are you going to show your true colors, which sure as heck aren't Red, White and Blue?

tkozy,

In your wisdom. You have chosen to use this GOD given ‘Free Will’, to decide when the life of others should begin and end.

isn't by taking a child's life deciding when a life end or begins?

Way,

Which man?

The Rapist? The man who turns to be a drunkard? A vile man?

These should all have the right to imprison a women and her ‘Free Will’.

The man made his choices, when he set lose his semen. Of his own ,‘Free Will’.

H4F,

It's been my experience that those who claim to have served in the military as soon as they start to lose the debate really haven't.

"I'm impressed"

Don't be. You can find it easily on Google.

http://www.google.com/searc...

"H4F - you must either be a Islamic Muslim or hardline Iranian who is trying to take my country away.....or liberal who is going to give it away"

And this is what we call jumping the shark.

You might as well just admit defeat and slink away.

grpthnk.....

not this time.....8 years US Navy as a Corpsman.

8 years US Navy as a Corpsman

Post your DD214 and remove all doubt then.

Hell, I can't seem to get this guy past the hating, scapegoating, stereotyping, and eagerness to assume rather than inquire.  The guy probably figures he knows my position on all of 100 issues.

YEP...with my ss and my personal data on it....even then ur buddy would say "you can get it on line" - like your education

One question....are you liberals gonna have a plan for your election or just implode?

"The guy probably figures he knows my position on all of 100 issues"

He'll next claim he knows your favorite sexual positions as well.

Actually, Grp, I do believe he was in the military, disgracing it no less.

While most of our soldiers and Marines are fine Americans, a minority of them are the most vicious, unbelievably hateful and bigoted people on earth.  THis guy is clearly one of those.

I guess he isn't interested in seeing my olive branch.

He'd rather think he knows all about me, to make it easier to hate me.  That's another thing about bigots -- they hide themselves from the possiblity of discovering that the people they hate might not be so bad, after all.

are you liberals gonna have a plan for your election or just implode

That's hilarious considering the current state of the GOP.

Just as it's a riot watching you implode here.

H4F,

I have to agree with you. I can see him getting off sexually on pictures from Abu Ghraib.

Way says,

TK says:

First we must agree as to when a child exists.

When does GOD create in the being. ‘Free Will’.

We have to wonder at what point the unborn may even begin to think or suffer.

We have to wonder if the unborn is suffering. Even as we wonder.

And at some point we must consider the suffering of the unborn v. women.

You guys just need one more to be the three stooges.

You guys just need one more to be the three stooges.

You're Laurel and Hardy rolled into one.

well - there he is......