The single Ms. Coulter has been engaged 7 times.    A lucky number?

As much as I hate to say this.  I don't think she represents the typical american conservative.  No more than Nancy Pelosi represents the typical american liberal.  They are both extremes of the party in my opnion.

Exactly, Btown.

Audrey - I don't know about you, but I'm thanking God that Coulter is probably in menopause.

I'd sure like to hear from some conservatives.  What do they think of the above statements?  Do they agree with her?

"I don't think she represents the typical american conservative"

Maybe ...

But we do know that  she's  a waxed hate peddling entrepreneur living her american dream.

--virgil

That's why I don't think she evil.  I think she calculating and intentionally mean spirited which earns her a living (a good one) sniping at people who are far better than she is.

I also think she has unresolved homosexual tendencies which she can't acknowledge.

I think she does represent many conservatives, judged by the fact that her books have all been bestsellers.  As a conservative myself, I certainly wouldn't spend money on a book espousing a liberal agenda (unless of course I was enrolled at one of our state-run colleges and HAD to buy a book for a particular class... but that's another topic), so.... I think many people do agree with her on the issues.  They may perhaps disagree with her on her 'delivery' of her message but so what?

Much of what she says is of course satirical and meant to prove a greater point; much like listening to Rush Limbaugh (who also has a HUGE audience).  I've read all of her books and think she's brilliant.

Sage on Ann Coulter: She reminds me of someone who needs a really effective laxative.

Not all conservatives do~ I have made some friendships with some conservatives on this site~ and as I have said several life long friends are conservatives.

This "more of a man" seems to hate her sex and, by extension, herself

I don't think Ann Coulter represents a typical American Conservative.  I think she represents a typical American Hater.

My hubby is a Conservative, and on the rare occasions that he's seen Ann Coulter on FoxNews, he barely paid attention to her (her fame preceeds her, and since my husband doesn't even know who she is, he was underenthused with her comments.)  He actually said one time, "Why can't that blond woman keep to the issue?  Is she some kind of expert or something?"  I said, "No, she's a Conservative book writer in the same vein that Rush Limbaugh is a Conservative talk show host."  He replied, "Well then why did they even have her on here?  She doesn't even know what she's talking about.  She keeps changing the subject."  I said, "Didn't you hear, Honey?  She's SHOCKING!!"  He said, "She isn't shocking.  The only thing shocking about her is that she's on this panel of experts talking about Iraq and she doesn't look like she knows anything about it."

There you have it.  It should be mentioned that my husband is somewhat of a math nerd and likes it when they use statistics and numbers and bar graphs.  He likes his news (and his dinners) meaty, and Ann Coulter is, IMO, so much bitter meringue.

So you want to hear from a conservative? I'll agree that some of her comments are out of line just as much as anything spewed by the Olbermanns and Mahers from the left. Can't blame her for wanting to give them a dose of their own medicine. Perhaps not the Christian thing to do, to hear Francis Beckwith tell it: http://www.ratzingerfanclub...

But Jesus often didn't mince his words either. He'd probably have something to say to this "priest" mocking him, perhaps something about it being better to put a millstone around his neck and casting himself into the sea than to carry on with his act: http://www.religionnews.com...

So who's responsible for poisoning society? Of course, Satan. Goes right back to the moment when Adam and Eve did something they weren't supposed to. Perhaps if the liberals would stop being such rebels like them, then we wouldn't be having the Coulters around to pound some harsh truths into their skulls now and then. After all, they may be good for their souls.

 It should be mentioned that my husband is somewhat of a math nerd and likes it when they use statistics and numbers and bar graphs.

What does your hubby think of this bar graph??

Coulter is a self-promoting hack. 

Pelosi is a voter-selected government official.

Coulter goes out of her way to create firestorms of divisiveness.

Pelosi has led initiatives on HIV/AIDS, Medicare, Housing, Intelligence Gathering and Human Rights.

Anyone who attempts to draw a comparison between the two is a victim of their own biases.

I am female, a conservative, and a Christian.  Ann Coulter is not a typical representative of any of those groups.  Obviously, she is popular with a lot of people as is witnessed by her book sales and speaking engagements.  But PLEASE do not think all women, all conservatives, and all Christians share her attitudes and views.  In my opinion, she is so extreme that I see her more as an entertainer, which may be why Olbermann and Maher were two people from the left who came to my mind immediately before I ever even read as far as pax's comment.  And in our house, whenever she's on one of the Fox programs, we change the channel until we're pretty certain her segment is over.

Is she a "conservative"? By the strictest sence, yeah, I guess so. Is she a typical one? No. See, most people who aren't self-aggrandizing pundits know the value of reasoned discourse and compromise. Her idea of compromise with a moderate is to throw them under a bus, what she'd do to an out-and-out liberal is too horrifying to contemplate.

What we have to do, in this day and age, is redefine the defence of the common citizen. We don't need to do that with a massive OFFENSIVE army, we could do fine with a smaller and truly defensive fighting force. We need to protect people at home, and that means better education, safer streets, and health care. More Americans will die from lack of access to preventative medicine this year than all the terrorist attacks this year. And, y'know what, if there is a terrorist attack I guarantee you a new M1A2 tank, B-2 bomber, or Ford-class aircraft carrier won't stop it, it'll be good law enforcement from the FBI and intel gathering from the CIA/NSA. We can still support the Military-Industrial Complex, remember when they used to put MEN of the GODDAMNED MOON?! That at least got me some Tang and Velcro.

And once again we have The Graph. Hey, how about showing the part where the tax revenue has gone to hell because of the knife left in the back of America by Bush, Reagan, and the Deregulatory Army?

I was really hoping that Nancy would post.  I have enormous respect for her opinions and she would give me the best idea of what an average conservative thinks of Ann Coulter.

Cat I loved your bitter meringue comment.  Bitter mreingue on sour lemon pie.

Thanks to the conservatives posting.  I'm beginning to get the idea that most of us are to the center of the Coulters and Olbermans of the world.

ron--my husband turns red in the face over almost every bar graph he sees!  LOL!

I'm beginning to get the idea that most of us are to the center of the Coulters and Olbermans of the world.

Nancy, Audrey, Olberman is the center, as far as I'm concerned.   He and Obama are clearly moderates politically.

(edit)  My very, very, very bad.  I think I had one of Nancy's comments open on another page.)

But my opinion stands.  In a rational America, Olberman and Obama would be recognized as centrists.

Random, I'm not Nancy.  I have never been Nancy and I won't ever be Nancy.   Having cleared that up, let me say that Olberman is left of center,  but not as left as that turn coat Bill Maher. 

AudreyB,

I am a 28 year old conservative woman and I can say that Ann Coulter does not represent me in any way, shape or form.  I believe that she uses such sensationalized comments for a variety of reasons.  The biggest knowing that it will spark such outrage that it will cause more people to pay attention to her, read her articles and buy her books.  She knows comments like the ones you quoted will sell books, even to those who hate her but buy her books so they can say, "Look what she said!! Conservatives are evil!"  She knows that sensationalism sells, so that's why she does what she does.  For money and fame, not because she cares about representing the people she claims to speak for.  As far as I'm concerned, she represents me as much as Sheryl Crow represents people who want to conserve and protect our resources when she talked about using one square of toilet paper at a time.  Some people just like to hear themselves talk.

I think there are much better ways to discuss political differences.  However, I would like to point out that when Coulter says things like liberals hate America, it is no different from some of the blog posters on this very site who take any opportunity to state that conservatives hate America.  So it's ironic to me that some people hate Coulter for making such over the top statements and generalizations when they do it themselves.

I think the left and the right both have people that like to do this and we should see them for what they are: glory seeking fame addicts.

wnderwoman

This is reinforcing what I hoped and believed was true.   Ann Coulter like Bill Maher, Chris Matthews, Keith Olberman, Sean Hannity, Bill OReilly and Glenn Beck do not represent the average American.  They all have their own agendas to follow (book sales).   Thanks for the response.

AudreyB,

Not a problem!  I always appreciate when people actually seek the opinions of those around them instead of making rash generalizations.  It's the only way to really build an understanding between those of differing opinions.  When I hear Coulter on TV, I always change the channel because I think at home she sits in front of a mirror thinking, "What can I say to make people talk about me?"  Just like Bill Maher sits in front of the mirror thinking, "What can I say to get me to stay on TV and get more specials?"  =-)  I prefer not to judge my liberal friends on Maher, Matthews or Olberman, and so I appreciate them  not judging me based on Hannity, O'Reilly or Beck, none of whom I listen too.  I don't even watch Fox News.  =-)

I'm with you guys on the uselessness of ALL of the talking heads and pundits.  I just want the straight news.*  Is that too much to ask for? 

*And after the straight news, I especially like it when comedians make fun of it.  The Onion reigns supreme in this capacity.

Lots of people don't "get" The Daily Show" or "Colbert Report."  They're not making fun of politicians, they're making fun of TV news.

 A lucky number?

I would say definitely a lucky number for the seven guys who dodged the bullet and didn't marry that shrew. I believe the only opinion Coulter represents is her own. She "claims to love America but clearly can't stand Americans". I also believe that her popularity can be likened to that of Jerry Springer in that people buy her books for the shock factor and venom that drips from every word. She is contemptible. Like Jerry Springer, I refuse to give Coulter one bit of my attention...or my money.

Catherine,

I think you are right, but it does seem it's too much to ask for!  No one is unbiased it seems anymore, from newspapers to television news shows.  It's hard to know when you get information if you are truly getting the truth (Ha!) or just the liberal/conservative spin on an issue.

RF,

I think the problem is that a lot of people don't get the fact that those shows are making fun of the news and treat them as serious forums for getting their information.  I saw a poll recently, I can't remember where off the top of my head, that said a surprisingly large number of younger people go to "The Daily Show" or the "Colbert Report" for their news.   I think when people forget that those shows aren't serious news broadcasts (like there are too many of those anyways) it can really cause problems in how people understand the issues around them.

 Perhaps if the liberals would stop being such rebels like them, then we wouldn't be having the Coulters around to pound some harsh truths into their skulls now and then.

Ah, yes.  Pax the genius is at it again.  It's the liberals' fault for Ann Coulter's bad behavior.

Aren't you conservatives the ones who talk about 'personal responsibility'?

Me a Rebel.  Hardly!

I think the problem is that a lot of people don't get the fact that those shows are making fun of the news and treat them as serious forums for getting their information.   I saw a poll recently, I can't remember where off the top of my head, that said a surprisingly large number of younger people go to "The Daily Show" or the "Colbert Report" for their news.  

Know what the punchline to that joke is?  Folks who primarily get their news from TDS or CR are *BETTER-INFORMED* about current events than those who watch Fox, CNN or MSNBC.

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It's the liberals' fault for Ann Coulter's bad behavior.

Well, he blamed Hurricane Katrina on gays...

Perhaps if the liberals would stop being such rebels

Rebels have caused all the progress in human history.  Even Jesus was one. 

I certainly feel liberals are on the side of the (mythical) angels.

Honestly, unless you're aware of what's going on in the news, the Daily Show or Colbert Report wouldn't be very funny to you. The fact remains that those shows contain just about the same amount of actual news content as the "regular" news programs.

Random,

And where would your supporting facts for that statement be?  Oh, I forget, you work in opinion only, not in any type of reality or factually based information.

Why is it so difficult for either side to have a conversation without throwing out stupid generalizations and taking what could have been a constructive conversation and making it into a "Your bad cause you are conservative!"  "No, you are!"  It's like talking to second graders.

Wndrwoman, your sarcasm masks your underlying ignorance.  Neither is pretty.

http://people-press.org/rep...

http://people-press.org/rep...

Pew survey.  Nationally-recognized polling company.

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Oh, I forget, you work in opinion only, not in any type of reality or factually based information.

Why is it so difficult for either side to have a conversation without throwing out stupid generalizations

Take those who sentences together and answer your own question.  Liberals deal in facts, because the facts--as is well-known--have a liberal bias.

"Why is it so difficult for either side to have a conversation without throwing out stupid generalizations and taki ... "

But, most conseratives on television are bad - really bad.

And it's not that difficult to understand why, Woman.

--virgil

I don't think she represents the typical american conservative

There's got to be a reason why her books are best sellers.

 And she is invited on conservative talk shows with a great frequency.

I wonder if wndrwoman27 understands the concept of irony. It wouldn't appear so from her last post in this thread.

RF,

This conversation between us is obviously no longer going to be productive so I am going to excuse myself from it.  I really do find it unfortunate that conversations cannot be had without the overlying generalizations or bias coming in to play.  I appreciated that Audrey was seeking the opinions of conservatives in regards to this issue instead of making generalizations about them because I feel it is the only way to begin to understand opposing viewpoints.

If my sarcasm hurt your feelings, I apologize.  I try not to stoop to the level of those who use insults as debating tools because it brings nothing useful to the table, but it can be difficult.  My frustration at the generalizations you make towards conservatives like me can be hard to mask in my responses.  Sentences such as "liberals deal in facts" are a blanket insult to anyone who is not a conservative, like myself.  As you know, I always try to use factual information or request factual information when having a debate.  Without facts, I know any statement I make is just my opinion and holds no more factual value than a statement made on someone else's opinion.  I do not profess my opinion to be fact at any point unless I have the factual information to back that statement up (from an unbiased source, not political blogs or politically biased news media, including Fox News).  Therefore, your statement that "liberals deal in facts," implying that conservatives do not, is something I must disagree with.  Many conservatives and liberals do deal in facts, many believe their opinions are facts.  A fact should have no biased leaning, liberal or otherwise. 

I do feel that you make repeated statements generalizing conservatives to get people riled up, so I will no longer play that game.  If you would like to have an actual honest conversation about viewpoints on issues, I would be happy to do so, but would request it is done with mutual respect to all parties, regardless of political affiliation, and without the sarcasm (veiled or otherwise) that seems to accompany the majority of the statements made.  I have had conversations like these before with people who have different viewpoints than I do and believe they can be very helpful, and believe you would find them helpful as well.

Virgil,

I understand why, I just think it's unfortunate that it has to be that way.

TSM,

Because she gets ratings, which is what people want because that equals money.  People that hate Coulter watch her to find more to hate about her.  No conservative that I know personally has ever watched Coulter or purchased one of Coulter's books, so to say she represents all conservatives is not a true statement anyone could make.

As far as whether I understand irony, I won't respond to insults, veiled or otherwise, in future postings.  It fails to add anything useful to the conversation.

This conversation between us is obviously no longer going to be productive

Meaning I proved myself right and you can't handle it.  Your sarcasm is all too typical of the wingers around here, and I'm not the only one who's bloody sick of it.

I pointed out to you where you did exactly what you accused others of doing, with paired sentences.

You can be sarcastic all you want when you're right.  You should be careful with it when you're wrong.

RF,

You did not prove yourself right in any way to me because your OPINION is just that, your opinion.  I could state that my opinion is that the reason you attack and accuse me is because I am right, but I know that is my opinion and that holds no weight with you, which is fine with me because I view your opinion the same way.  You have a right to believe what you want, as do I.

I admitted in my previous post that I made the same generalizations that I despise out of frustration and apologized for it.  If you feel that you must continue to point out my mistakes, okay.  It's not the first one I've made nor will it be the last. 

I do feel that to imply that right-wingers are the only ones with sarcastic comments is a little silly, because we can see that other posters here seem to resort to that when they can't come up with any other type of argument and know they are wrong, regardless of their political affilation.  To say that right-wingers are the only sarcastic posters is a generalization, as is to say all the liberal posters here do the same.  I don't believe either statement is true.

I have no desire to continue to be sarcastic regardless of whether I'm right or wrong, which is something I'm sure we would disagree on.  If you feel the need to continue to attack my posts, that is your decision.  I have said if you are interested in a conversation without generalizations or bias, I would be happy to engage in one.  Otherwise, I fail to see what either of us can get out of insults and name calling.

You did not prove yourself right in any way to me because your OPINION is just that, your opinion.

And facts are facts.  I stated facts, provided links to backup data.   

A famous person once said that everyone "is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts."

I do *DELIBERATELY* engage in sarcasm on these blogs, *IN RESPONSE* to the ill-informed sarcasm coming from the right.  One of my religious tenets is that you treat people as they treat you--tit for tat--but forgive occasionally.

RF,

In response to your statement,  "Know what the punchline to that joke is?  Folks who primarily get their news from TDS or CR are *BETTER-INFORMED* about current events than those who watch Fox, CNN or MSNBC."

I found these facts from the articles that you linked to be quite interesting. 

Only about three-in-ten (31%) regular Hannity & Colmes listeners are college graduates, but a relatively large proportion (42%) answered all three questions correctly.

In regards to TCR and TDS:

The Colbert Report and The Daily Show are notable for having relatively well-informed audiences that are younger than the national average: 34% of regular Colbert viewers answered the three political knowledge questions correctly, as did 30% of regular Daily Show viewers. Less than a quarter of either audience is older than 50 (22% Colbert, 23% Daily Show), compared with 41% of the general public.

It seems to me implying TDS/TCR viewers are better informed overall is not an accurate statment, IN MY OPINION.  Rush listeners answered 36% of the questions correctly, implying they are more knowledgeble than TDS and TCR viewers, while Hardball viewers scored higher than Hannity and Colmes viewers by one percent (43%).

When I mentioned your opinion: Your opinion that TDS and TCR viewers are better informed is something I disagree with based on the information that you linked.  While I agree they are more knowledgable because they are more likely to obtain their information from other sources, as a PERSONAL OPINION, I believe that relying on such shows as TDS and TCR as a FACTUALLY BASED NEWS SOURCE can be a negative.

If you chose to use sarcasm as a tool in your debates, do not judge those who use it in response to you as well.  To call me out on sarcasm when you seem to use it quite frequently seems hypocritical.  However, I still resolve that from a personal standpoint, I would like to be able to have a discussion based on intellectual contributions and facts without having to rely on sarcasm to make my points.  I believe in giving the respect to others that they give to you and not expecting respect where you don't give it.  This is something I am resolving to try to remember in context of these blogs and hope to refrain from making the same mistake because I believe I am better than that.

Fun fact: The only people I know with Coultier books are liberal who need to feel angry. That's not all the liberals I know, just the ones that need to feel angry. Just like my angry-conservative friend who has Stuart Smiley's book.

Controversy creates cash, said Eric Bishoff, and that's why we're headed toward the new World order under Emperor Terry Hogan...

Sorry RF, when it comes to biting sarcasm, you almost always draw first blood. Go back and look at your own posts.

As far as Ann goes, she's good for a laugh. Anyone who thinks that the majority of people that buy her books believe everything she says is a fool. She's funny and must be taken with a grain of salt. There are many Leftist "comedians" who do the same thing. She is purely entertainment.

Sorry RF, when it comes to biting sarcasm, you almost always draw first blood.

Sorry, but you're flat wrong about that.  Truly.

I won't respond to insults

But you'll hand them out like candy.

Another rightwing hypocrite.

 As anyone who has read my posts can attest, I am an un-apologetic conservative.  I currently own one Ann Coulter book (a gift) and only got 15 pages before I put it down.  She's simply not my cup of literary tea.

Coulter no more represents the "average" American conservative than I represent the "average" American Asian.   She is an entertainer: much like Katie Couric, Michael Jackson or Rush Limbaugh.  

She is attractive, glib, articulate and most important of all: controversial - the perfect mix for media.

Describing herself

"I'm more of a man than any liberal."

Considering her oversized hands, and enormous Adams Apple, I wonder if she ever made a secret trip to Sweden for a medical procedure.

She looks like a well dressed tranny  to me. lol

Curt

I agree with most of what you said.  However, Katy Couric is a real journalist not an entertainer.  She cut her teeth while doing tough interviews on the TODAY show and has gone on to interview almost everyone of importance since1985.

Nice to see you blogging again.